»Neo and Smith at the End Of Revolutions«

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(more and more it sounds like you are not reading my posts)

Well I do read them
So I would like you to reply on my post. Maybe you overlooked it because of Doctor Shaft.
Or maybe you have had enough of my bullshit Doesn't matter

Faith or beliefs, in essence require you to use a variable as a constant. That is the reason I do not give merit to belief. But as that is my choice I do not agree that it is the "right" or "wrong" choice it is just my choice. It seems like the thing that you are not seeing is that you have the power to be the "good" person that you want to be without the authority. I do not use william blake as my authority. I am using his words to express my feeling. I have seen in my lifetime that if I take away my personal feelings from something I see it as it is. I have no concept of infinity. But I do know that I can only understand something as information if I do so without interferance from the outside. I am not saying that I am the perfect human sponge and that I do not have my own opinions. But I will never be accepting of of anything unless I am willing to accept it as is. If I allow myself to mold a piece of information that I recieve, by using a higher power or my own opinions. Then I am doing nothing but accepting what I want. And while I am shaping my reality, and making it to my own liking, I am robbing myself of the contrast between that world and an undesirable one. Therefore making it worthless. The more I would choose to ignore the existance of any negative aspects of reality, the more apt I am to become a victim of an encounter with it. But if I choose to accept the whole spectrum instead of leaning to either side the better understanding I will have of the true nature of all things. Not just the good things.

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Maybe there is no mother nature. Animals create an niche in their ecosystem for survival. We know from the wild discovery channel footage of crocodiles that nature is harsh and unforgiving. But at the same time beautiful. To escape the harshness of this reality, that animals have to endure, we put ourselves at odds with it. providing ourselves with every luxury that nature does not provide. This is a very powerful statement about how we feel about nature. or a higher power. At this point we have mapped the human genome. We can clone people. and we are finding that there is not much power that god had during the times the bible was written and what we have now.

Well as far as I know of the universe it is just like nature. Seemingly unforgiving and totally unbiased as to our struggle with this little spec of real estate. Giving overwhelming support to the idea that the higher power has no aversion to good or bad. Maybe what makes our world hell is our inability to accept it . Maybe substituting "balance" for a better term like unforgiving but accomodating. Seems like no matter how hard we try to go against it we have no control of the complexities of the universe but we can percieve them the way we wish.

One thing is interesting about the possibility that helping one another and being good can help you escape from hell. If you were a good person so that you could escape hell, Would you really be a good person or just another person who did what they had to do to get to a better place. the concept of nature is also reference to something bigger than ourselves or god. the fact that humans have so little respect for nature is alarming from this perspective. But Mother nature also created us.

So if Neo is connected to the source, and Neo is connected to Smith, and the Source destroyed Smith, what killed Neo? If he was in fact killed...

DesmondE wrote:

One thing is interesting about the possibility that helping one another and being good can help you escape from hell. If you were a good person so that you could escape hell, Would you really be a good person or just another person who did what they had to do to get to a better place. the concept of nature is also reference to something bigger than ourselves or god. the fact that humans have so little respect for nature is alarming from this perspective. But Mother nature also created us.

Yes I agree to that. Some people try to be good beause they fear God. This doesn't make them really good persons; they are just driven by a subjective higher power.

I think no-one ever does anything without gaining something for themselves. Most of the times when you do good things for other people, you do it for two reasons:

1. Because you would like to be treated that way. You hope in a way that they will return the favor and make you feel just like you made them feel.

2. The attention it gives you. If you do alot of good deeds, people will like you and give you attention. This could be your drive for acceptance.

Mother nature gave us the power to disrespect her.
Maybe it's in the 'nature' of mother nature to make a beginning to the end by creating self-destructive species?

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So if Neo is connected to the source, and Neo is connected to Smith, and the Source destroyed Smith, what killed Neo? If he was in fact killed...

My view:

When Smith assimilates Neo, it is converted to his brain (and body) as neural-structures, just as like what happened with Bane.
The Source then neutralizes Neo's body cells; especially his braincells. Converted back to the Matrix this (digitally) deletes Smith. Neo dies in the process because his body cells are lifeless now. His digital-mind has been absorbed into the Source. That's why he glows when he is carried away.

I think maybe the reason why there is so much inconsistancy in the nature of the "higher power", is because either the higher power is neutral, or does not exist. Or, it exists for those who want it to exist. The craziest thing about the division between good and evil is the fact that it is so closely related to the line between what is and what isnt. The latter being what makes up our individual realities. I know that our perception is ours alone and the fact that perceptions among the many have similarities, no matter how prevalent, are still coincidences. No two people can percieve something exactly the same way. So I cannot say that "god" does not exist because it does not exist in my reality. because i could never know what exists in another person's reality.

Allowing for the possibility of multiple realities as per the individual, we could also say that the only parts f reality that we share are those we agree on. And isnt that the case?
The things that we agree to be true about reality are the things we both accept individually. But the things that we dont agree on dont exist for both. Branching off your version of reality from mine. So now it is possible for us all to share one common reality that branches off into our own separate little branches like a big tree of life. None better than the other. Some different from the other. But all part of a whole.

Maybe I just sounded like an ass, but it seems to make sense to me that we can all believe what we want to believe but still accept that what others believe is also true. No matter what the facts or contradictions that exist in your reality. SO when you see that someone has done "bad" or "good" you would be weighing it in your own reality, without jurisdiction in theirs.
Not that I believe all this crap. But I just thought of it

With this connection to the source thing.
Could someone please tell me what that means and where in the movies there is a reference to being connected to the source. And how smith can be connected to the source and a danger to it at the same time. My own lack of intelligence has once again allowed me to skip right over an important aspect of these theories.

Neo is connected because that's what put him in the Matrix, those cables in him,that's the source. Smith was not connected (as stated in Rloaded) which is why he's a threat.

Smith is NOT connected to the source?
Is that what he was saying when he said he was "a free man, so to speak" then he said he was like NEO, so NEO is like him.
Since The matrix is a platform inside which other programs exist, as modules, how can their be a direct connection? My windows OS runs all the time while smaller programs run other tasks inside the parameters dictated by windows. But I wouuldnt say that they are all connected to windows because although they run inside the system, some may not be detectable by the system. So is that program still connected?

To my opinion the Matrix is not an operating system, but the Source is. The Matrix is a huge program running within (the network of) the Source.

So the Source is Windows and the Matrix is the game "The Sims". To give a simple example.

The Architect, The Oracle, Rama, Kamala, Smith, etc. are stand-alone programs just like the Matrix itself. When they are in the Source they can be deleted, but when they are in the Matrix they cannot. In the Matrix they are sub-programs (called child processes in the computer world). The only way to delete them is to delete the Matrix. And that is not an option offcourse.
So that's the reason why all the exiles "choose to hide" in the Matrix. They cannot easily get them there.

At the end of M3, Neo plugged in through a direct connection with (the centre of) the Source. Neo's mind was directly 'touchable' by the Source. When Smith took over Neo, Smith's code-pattern had become directly in touch with the Source.
Smith never realised that Neo was plugged in at the Machine City itself. He was only worrying about the succeeding of the assimilation. So before he knew it, he was attacked/absorbed/deleted by the Source through Neo's mind/body.

I see that way of looking at it. But try this one.
Inside of a system like the Matrix the only functions are to provide an environment. This environment demands a certain set of parameters for programs to run inside of it. I believe this is why people can be jacked into the matrix and not be found. I dont know why I would assume that the language that built the matrix is object oriented, but lets just say it is. Objects can be created that meet the minimum criteria and then exist in the matrix as standalone programs with their own functions. So when Neo and company want to go into the matrix, their object module is created inside of the construct program, and then it is pushed into the matrix. If there was a connection all the time to everyone in the matrix, then it would have to understand each new entry and monitor every thing inside it. Not to mention there would be no need for agents, as any program could be found because they were always connected. Thinking of it as seperate objects, the matrix as a reality program could run all the time. Programs could be inserted and deleted without any change to the matrix whatsoever. This would also allow a solid environment in which the machines could test programs with varying functions and at the same time, minimize any errors in the matrix itself while testing. Some programmer is going to tear me up on this one I know it. But it sounds right.
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I understand what you are trying to say.
Objects are not real programs. They belong to the main Matrix-program. The Matrix program has a set of rules and constructable-code in it. As we can see in M1, they can change a window into a wall (deja-vu).
Programs that govern the birds and the sun are different programs. They require interaction; they have (a lower level of) AI.

Programs like the agents and the Keymaker are top-notch AI. They can act more or less like humans. They reside within the main Matrix-program and can do whatever they want within their parameters. They are bound to the rules of the main Matrix-program too.
The Source can't touch them when they are inside the Matrix. If it wants to get them, it has to destroy the Matrix.

Keep in mind the Source allowed them the option of continued existence in the first place. Just not within the machine world operating system. So the source doesn't want them dead or else they would be. But the Source doesn't make them immortal either. When they get blasted or something, that is...

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