»about the fractal structure«

I guess that we all know now that the orange structure exploding in the beginning of Revolutions is a fractal. I was wondering what the Bro. wanted to say with that ?

After reflection, we see that Seraph is yellow but the Oracle is not, despite the fact that they both come from 01. So, being yellow does not mean that u r from 01, but something else. Seraphim are the highest authority of angels, just after God and Merv called Seraph the "prodigal son".

We see that all the programs are not created by the source directly, since Sati has been created by other programs and that this is not something exceptional (it's the job of Kamala to create other programs).

So, my theory is that the world machine works that way : the source create programs wich create other programs , and so on. The more your level of creation is near the source, the more you have authority (and the more you shine).

So that would explain pretty well the fractal structure, wich represent the social functioning of the machines world. It fits with the fact that Neo shines a lot, since the Oracle said that the One came from the source (wich is not the case of all programs).
The Architecte described the Mother of the matrix as being an intuitive program that found by chance the solution to the matrix, so it was rather a program that didn't come directly from the source, hence the fact that she's green coded.

Any thought ?

Apocryphe wrote:

I guess that we all know now that the orange structure exploding in the beginning of Revolutions is a fractal. I was wondering what the Bro. wanted to say with that ? After reflection, we see that Seraph is yellow but the Oracle is not, despite the fact that they both come from 01. So, being yellow does not mean that u r from 01, but something else. Seraphim are the highest authority of angels, just after God and Merv called Seraph the "prodigal son". We see that all the programs are not created by the source directly, since Sati has been created by other programs and that this is not something exceptional (it's the job of Kamala to create other programs). So, my theory is that the world machine works that way : the source create programs wich create other programs , and so on. The more your level of creation is near the source, the more you have authority (and the more you shine). So that would explain pretty well the fractal structure, wich represent the social functioning of the machines world. It fits with the fact that Neo shines a lot, since the Oracle said that the One came from the source (wich is not the case of all programs). The Architecte described the Mother of the matrix as being an intuitive program that found by chance the solution to the matrix, so it was rather a program that didn't come directly from the source, hence the fact that she's green coded. Any thought ?

I just wanted to say that as far as I remember, we were never shown how The Oracle looks in code. I believe what you maybe refering to is when Smith turned The Oracle into THE Smith. During that green coded scene, The Oracle was obscured from our view until the point she was already THE Smith.

So, we really don't know what color of coding The Oracle has. My assumption is that she has a type of gold coding because I believe that she is a program from The Machine World like The Architect, Merov, Rama, etc. Besides, since she is The Architect's direct opposite, I feel that it's safe to say that she is indeed from The Machine World.

WitM

We are shown what the Oracle looks like in code. Shes green. Im positive, ive seen the picture

Akshat Gupta wrote:

We are shown what the Oracle looks like in code. Shes green. Im positive, ive seen the picture

Are you 100% sure of that? I've seen each film several times and I don't remember one instance of which The Oracle was shown in code. In fact, I was hoping to see The Oracle in code, especially in the scene that I describe below.

The scene in which The Oracle could have potentially been shown to us in code is the one in Revolutions where Smith turned The Oracle into THE Smith. When that scene started I thought - Finally, we are going to be shown what The Oracle looks like in code. Unfortunately, it didn't happen because she was obscured from our view.

It seems as though this is another of those things they did on purpose in order to cause discussion amongst the fans. These movies are going to end up being the most discussed in history until The W. Brothers come out and say:

<Ok, we've enjoyed all of the fans attempts at trying to explain what happened in The Matrix Trology, but we now feel the time has come for us to give give the REAL deal.>

Of course we all know that will not be happening anytime soon, if ever at all.

By the way, as I mentioned in my previous post, The Oracle is The Architect's direct opposite. They are two sides of the same coin. The Architect, as we know, is not from The Matrix. So, if The Architect is not from The Matrix, The Oracle would have to not be from there as well. At least, from my point of view.

WitM

The Oracle is defenitely green. You can see that in the scene with Smith.

I think the gold color is just to symbolize Seraph as an angel. It doens't even look exactly like the color in the Real World. That's more orange-like.

If it would be true that gold-coded programs come from the machine-city then the Merovigian should be gold too. He must be Satan, wo escaped from God (Deus Ex Machina) and took away 1/3 of his angels. Seraph was one of these angels, but the Oracle somehow turned him to good again.
The Oracle is green because she was created by the Architect to investigate people within the Matrix.

WitM, try watching the scene when Smith takes over the Oracle once again. I definitely saw the green.

100% agreed that Oracle and Architect and opposites. I believe that the Architect and his chamber is another program running parallel to the matrix.

The ones shown in the movie are called as "Mandelbrot fractal". I think the bros used it to convey the message "as above, as below". I read in a book that Mandelbrot fractal's philosophy is "To reach the infinite, explore the finite in all directions".

You can see green fractals in M2 and orange fractals in M3.I think they represent program/machine evolution. I explained that in Neo's power in real world thread.

That was a pretty good explanation of what the W brothers intended.

she pretty much looks green to me, according to that picture.

although im "color blind" so what the hell do i know.

The green bit are the bits where smith is taking over - remember he covered people in black stuff when he took them over. The oracle isn't just glowing yellow - she is shining bright white!

I dug up the trailer...and freezed it at the little shot where you see Smith take her over.

You are indeed right Fatpie42...she's glowing white. Just the glowing effect that Seraph has, only white. So this might mean she is even closer to the Source.

then what does the GREEN sprites around the room mean?

cause the smith thing is black.

WHITE sprites around the room! If they were green on a green background how on earth would you see them?

oops actually they are green. But surely those aren't bits of the oracle. Those are the oracles affect on the matrix. It is bits of the matrix code moving. So bits of the matrix code would be green wouldn't they....

Sorry about that mistake. I could have sworn when I watched the movie I saw white sprites. Memory plays tricks like that.

I tihnk that the white glowing is due to the Smith processing his job on the Oracle. She's definitly green.

She does not need to be a program very next to the source in due to be glowing like Seraph. Remember, she was one of the intuitive programs that succeded in his mission, nothing more.

Um... I'd say she was a damn sight more important than Seraph. Perhaps Seraph glows because he is meditating when Neo enters?

So wait, is she white or green?

She's white!

She was created to investigate the human psyche. She most probably did this within the Matrix. Or maybe she ran seperate simulations on specific humans? We don't know. Now you must have some high authority to do this. Also, I think she is able to write programs herself (like the cookies). So she could be directly created from the Source.

Stop the racism! No more white supremacy!
More rights for green people!

(sorry couldn't resist! )

So shes white? OMG. Wow. What does that mean though? Why is she white while everything else is green.

Humans in matrix- Green
Agents- Green
Smith- Green?
Seraph- Gold
Oracle- White

Anyone else?

Fatpie42 wrote:

Um... I'd say she was a damn sight more important than Seraph. Perhaps Seraph glows because he is meditating when Neo enters?

Merovingan can create "very special desserts", it does not mean that he has a very high authority.
If the Oracle is the intuitive program, then she found that solution by chance, so she could not be important before she found the solution, she was a program amongst others. Into an artificial world, everyone must have some programing rights or else you are not an AI anymore, or a very static one.

Nah, I really don't think the Oracle is yellow or something. I think that green programs are those using humans bodies to exists and the glowing ones are those who have so many powers that they don't need to use a human.

However, Rama is certainly glowing because we hear the same "glowing sound" when Neo sees him at the restaurant, same sound (and same circumspect air on neo's face) than the one we hear when Seraph glows.

"glowing sound"? It's a sound effect to make us take notice - glowing has nothing to do with it!

There is no such thing as a glowing sound and i've never heard anything so silly!

The bodies of all those connected to the matrix are green (program code). This is because the matrix has to take your residual self-image and make a "body" (in the matrix) that your mind can control.

Agents are green because they exist in "bodies" of other humans.

The oracle is green in Matrix Revolutions!. She may have been a "gold" program, but was forced to be deleated, so she took the "body" of another, that's why she is different.

Neo, as I saw at the top of this thread is Not Gold - White or whatever. He is GREEN!

If you want "proof" that Neo is Green, go to Matrix revolutions --> the Trinity Resurection scene. It shows the scene in "neo view" (code).

Neo is clearly GREEN

As for the glowing sound, we are given quite a few sound effects like that in the MATRIX.

1.) Agent Sound
2.) Glowing sound
3.) ?

Ok, maybe only 2. Neo seems to be more Alert at that time. In M2, when Smith steps out of the "audi ..." we here the space-time disruption sound (my imagination). Something similar happens in M1, when Neo "Absorbs" smith and the matrix "expands".

Maybe Neo "Hears" these sounds in his mind .... (we see what he sees (seraph ...))