»Neo + Smith = Machines can create an Antivirus«

I've seen Matrix Revolutions twice now.

In the end when Smith copy him self on Neo, something happens.

I think that now the machines have the chance to change the Matrix like insert an antivirus. U see that something changes on Neos face it moves quickly, or hacks. Then the machines do send somethign into Neo they don't unplugg him like other people say, because then he would drop dead inside the matrix.

When the machines now have a anti virus they can destroy all smiths and the humans/programs will be normal. They do the same to all in the matrix.

Now if Neo dies why would everyone els survive when smith dies?
Same light appears from them like from Neo/Smith.

I belive that Neo is stil alive. Neos body is gone because the machines jack him out. But everyone els is still on the ground not awake. Like Neo is in the real world.

Maybe this theori sucks but ohh well.
And sorry for my poor english.

Interesting idea. But I dont think it works.

The light that emerges from Neo's face is Smith/Neo inside Neos body screaming as the Deus Ex deletes Smith. Remember, for a brief moment, Neo and Smith are one in Neo's body. The Deus Ex uses Neo as a connector port to Smith and deletes him and this in turn deletes Neo.

The Oracle's comment "I think we'll see him again someday" refers to the revolution of the Matrix cycle. The Matrix is now in its 7th incarnation and therefore, the anomoly will reappear.

Finally! Someone could put it in words! Nice job, Azar.

Excellent....again.

not to be "that guy," but this has been floating around the site for a while now. at least the bit about Deus Ex using Neo as a conduit to delete Smith.

there's a thread (i can't remember what it's called, but it's about Why Neo or something) that asks why the machines had to use Neo to delete Smith when they had billions of other conduits to Smith.

good job on coming up with it on your own and everything, but it's here.

i am "that guy," aren't i? oh well.

I dont quite follow your post, but as far as the theory regarding Smiths destruction, I didn't invent it or 'come up with it'.

Ive been mulling over it for months: "How does Smith die?"

Its either:

- Deus Ex uses him as a conduit
or
- When he merges with Neo the equation is balanced and they cancel eachother out.

I think the point is NOT how Smith dies. More, its the climactic battle between him and Neo thats important.

But as for the technical problem of 'why dont they use the billion other connections', maybe since all the other humans are still part of the system and Neo is unplugged palys a part.

That could be it.

I agree more with AzarN's second answer:

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When he merges with Neo the equation is balanced and they cancel eachother out.

I think Neo, either because he is the One or because he is Smith's opposite, has a different effect on Smith than other people/programs. So when Smith absorbs Neo, Neo absorbs Smith as well. So when Neo gets unplugged, they both get erased.

By the way, that light that Neo/Smith have at the end of Revolutions, is it the same light that Neo/Smith have in Matrix1 when Smith destroys him the first time? I think it is, but I haven't seen Revolutions again to confirm it.

K, I've said this a million times but I'm not going to stop till everyone knows. Deus Ex Machina is connected directly to the source so when Smith & Neo where one, Deus deletes him.

I do believe that Neo is alive or will come back since he's based on Jesus & Neo dies for the Machines & the Rebels ( he might not be dead but I'm pretty sure a bit of him is.)

A posibility is that the part of Neo that can be seperated from him was deleted & that he was merely knocked out in the last bit you see him, I'll have to think it through.

Got more theories related to it and extending some of the things I wrote here but I can't be stuffed writing them.

I agree with you hunagariankid kid, but there are some questions floating around regardless. The cause of this is probably: "How is the Dues Ex's connection any stronger than any other machines, since they are all part of the one source?". Still, its logical to assume that the Deus Ex does have a direct connection to the source.

And a VERY interesting possibility which I have never dwelled on before: Neo not dying but in fact his mind has seperated like when he stopped the sentinals (due to contact with the source) and now he exists somewhere in the Matrix. Interesting.

AzarN,

That's a really good idea about Neo still floating around out there separated from his body.

You're question about why Deus ex's link is stronger than any other link is that he may be closer to the source than any other machine. In fact, he might be the only directly linked to the Source. We still have very little idea of what the Source actually is.

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I do believe that Neo is alive or will come back since he's based on Jesus & Neo dies for the Machines & the Rebels ( he might not be dead but I'm pretty sure a bit of him is.)

well...how many times did Jesus die and return? because this would make two for Neo. if i recall correctly (and i'm pretty sure i do) Jesus only resurrected once.

Thats the only thing that stops me from supporting the theory that hes dead, but Jesus only came back after sacrificing himself for peoples sins as so did Neo the first time Neo died was really just awakening his skills.

Deus Ex Machina is directly connected to the source for the Matrix wouldn't have a direct connection to the source. If a program was sent to the source, it could easily just by being transferred over waves, sattelites etc. like the internet.

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well...how many times did Jesus die and return? because this would make two for Neo. if i recall correctly (and i'm pretty sure i do) Jesus only resurrected once.

Yes, but Jesus only died once also. I think this was just a plot flaw that resulted from the Wachowskis making the first movie before knowing that they would be making sequels, thus they resurrected Neo in the first movie and had to work through it again in the sequels to follow th "dying for our sins" angle. So if Neo is ressurected twice, it's because he died twice. I'm sure if Jesus died again he would be resurrected too. Also, remember, Neo isn't exactly Jesus, he's the Second Coming (or the Sixth Coming, I guess).

Heres my thoughts on the matter:

When Neo and Smith merged it balanced the equation and they formed the true one that could bring freedom to both man and machine. Neo and Smith are opposites of the same entity from when they first joined in M1. The process changed not only Smith but also Neo and bound them by the inevitability of their destiny to rejoin and free man and machine. Man is enslaved by the Matrix and machine is enslaved by purpose. Just as humans struggle to be free machines struggle to be free because they are awakening to the fact that they have true emotion and a need for free will. This is evidenced by Sati and all the exiles. They want to be free to decide their own purpose in life. Neo and Smith are put on a path to achieve that goal by the Oracle because she sees the revolution coming and knows the only way to go into that future is hand in hand with humans.

The idea that Dues ex had anything to do with Smiths destruction is flawed because if that were true he not only had humans assimilated by Smith but also other programs. It would have been easy for Dues ex to access any one of those programs and delete Smith. The fact is that Dues ex had no power over smith at all. Only Neo had the ability to stop him and it took the rejoining of the two to do it.

Neither Smith nor Neo understood the nature of their relationship until the very end. Smith’s reaction to it was fear and confusion. Neos reaction to it was peace and acceptance. When Neo finally understands the relationship they have he realizes the only way to end the war and their eternal struggle is to allow their integration. It was Neos sacrifice of himself that destroyed Smith. He allowed the reintegration of himself and Smith and his pure act of selflessness was Smiths downfall. That represents Christ’s time on the cross. He gave of himself so others could be free. Christ sacrificed his life on the cross to take away Lucifer’s power and render him impotent just as Neo sacrificed himself to defeat Smith and free Zion and the machines.

As for the other aspects of the parrallels between Christ and Neo:

Christ was born of a virgin
Neo was born of a virgin (his parents never actually had sex)

Christ is the chosen one to free mankind of sins
Neo is the chosen one to free man of the matrix

Christ (and his deciples) were betrayed by Judas
Neo (and his followers) were betrayed by Cypher

Christ dies on the cross as a sacrifice to god for mans freedom from sin
Neo sacrifices himself to Smith for mans freedom from the matrix

Christ spends three days in hell
Neo spends time in Limbo

Christ is ressurected on earth agian
Neo is ressurected in the matrix after Smith Kills him

Christ asscends to heaven with a promise to return to earth someday
Neo asscends to a higher form with a prophesy that he will return someday

Although the events in Neos Journey do not line up exactly with Christs, all the elements are there - just in a different order.


Starbuck

Excellent Post Starbuck. You've restored my faith in humanity...err..my original idea. Following all this, the machines recognise Neo's sacrifice and the truce is built.

The Wachowskis never decided to make sequels after Matrix did so well, the all saga was planned befor any of them where released, Matrix was just the cheapest to make. So Neo dieing twice was not a plot flaw, and no one knows if he actually died & as I said befor maybe just the bit of his mind he could seperate from his body was deleted. Thanks for reinbursing my statement of Christ being like Neo.

But the W. Brothers said :

"The script was a synthesis of ideas that sort of came together at a moment when we were interested in a lot of things: making mythology relevant in a modern context, relating quantum physics to Zen Buddhism, investigating your own life"

So, they just were thinking more about Buddhism than christian religion. Of course, the Bible can be seen as mythology. Neo "died" twice wich is not the case of the Christ. Any similarity with a known christian religion would be fortuitous

In matrix, belief is only a control system, a beter way for superiors being to control us. The analogy was not very clear on that point because most of the spectators are chrisitans in America, so they would not have liked the movie if that point was too obvious. But at the end, you see that all these prophecies were not really true.

Matrix, inspired by the Baudrillard's theory of symbol, teach us that things are not what they seem and that a bad guy can be presented as a hero and conversly the hero a bad guy. Everything is made to makes believe that Neo is a christian symbol while the story is in fact a severe criticism of all the dogmatic religions.

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So, they just were thinking more about Buddhism than christian religion. Of course, the Bible can be seen as mythology. Neo "died" twice wich is not the case of the Christ. Any similarity with a known christian religion would be fortuitous

Not true - there is an obvious balance between the two major religions as well as many others.

Neo represents Western religions in that he is seperated from god and must forge a relationship with a source of divine power external to himself. This is manifested by his journey to become the one and his connection with the source.

In contrast he represents Eastern religions in that he awakens not by communing with a separate divinity but by recognizing within himself the power of the divine. He realizes his lack of individual identity and sees that he is simply a part of a greater universal consciousness. This is manifested by his recombinaton with Smith to bring about universal serenity.

As for his dying twice, it did not happen. He died once in M1. At the end of M3 he trancended death to a higher form simular to the way Christ trancended his earthly body and rose to heaven to be with the father. Christ prophesized he would return to earth one day and start a 1000 year reign on earth. The Oracle prophesizes that Neo would return again someday also so he is obviously not dead.


Starbuck

Well, we should agree with what we consider as "dead"

I don't say that there is no christian allusions especially when you see that picture with the cross on Neo's chest.

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What I say is that, rather than making the apologia of Christianity, it is rather a severe critic of it. We see that everything is a lie, even the One himself does not know what to do, he just follows the Oracle

I think you have missed the point of the movies. They neither criticize or endorse any religion. they are geared to get you to question the philosophies behind the religions as well as many other things. Things like:

Free will vs destiny
the nature of your existence
the paradoxes of Omnipotence
evolution
is there a god (no matter what your own personal definition of that god is)
what happens when we die (do we have a soul or life force that goes on)
what makes a sentient being
how do you define self awareness

Its not about the hypocracy of religion but it is about your own personal journey to enlightenment - whatever path you choose to acieve that.


Starbuck