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I've just seen Reloaded again, in all its IMAX glory. This has posed some questions, dismissed some alternate theories, and will probably bug some people on here who have read every post ever posted on the Matrix...so I'll begin...!

First, I have just posted elsewhere on this site that an EMP pulse did not halt the sentinels at the end, otherwise all electrical items in the vicinity, INCLUDING the ship which picks Neo et al up.

So it must either be Neo, or something else...but not EMP...

Second, I am now of the opinion that when the Architect replies to Neo, in a derisory fashion when he suggests that the Oracle is the mother of the Matrix with "please", this is because she is, in fact, not. Don't ask me who is, but this is my belief...

Third, The Architect already knows what Neos choice is going to be (supposedly), and he wants him to return to the source (supposedly), and he gives him two choices. One door leads to the source, one back to the matrix. Why then, if he knows that Neo will chose the matrix, does he not switch the doors, and tell him the one which leads to the source actually leads to the matrix, thereby folling him into returning to the source?

Fourth - Morpheus states that the prophecy has not come true since Neo has been to the Source and the war is not over. But Neo has not been to the source - he chose the door back to the Matrix - perhaps if he had have taken the door to the source, he would have been assimilated back into the program, and the war would have been over, because it would start again - this shows the Oracle to be on the side of the machines, as she told the prophecy.

Finally (for now, cos this is just a brain dump at the moment) - if Neo's powers are caused in the real world by the failed replication which Smith tried, as has been suggested, then Morpheus should now have similar powers - just before the Architect scene, in the corridor, Morpheus is partially replicated by Smith before Neo stops it from happening.

Thoughts?

Your points, in order of appearance...

1) That is not enough information to disprove an EMP. If you really understood what happened to Zion's ships, you would know that the reason they were all disabled was because an EMP was fired BEFORE the ships could get in position and power down.

2) He says "please" in response to Neo calling her the Oracle. She doesn't really prophecy... she just tells what she knows from previous matrices. Yes, she is the mother of the matrix.

3) I think the architect believes he knows what door Neo will choose, however he is wrong in this iteration. The architect says that Neo is being swayed by his new love for Trinity instead of a general love for humanity. I think Neo finds hope that he can save Trinity and thus returns to the matrix against the Architects will. This is why I think the Architect tries to convince him that hope is a dillusion.

4) I agree with you here, the Oracle was telling the truth in that the war should be over had Neo gone to the source. However, Neo found out that she wasn't on the side of the humans, but the machines.

5) I agree with your last point as well... I used to think it was a connection with Agent Smith idea... but none of those ideas work... it has to be something else.

Gaz wrote:

an EMP pulse did not halt the sentinels at the end, otherwise all electrical items in the vicinity, INCLUDING the ship which picks Neo et al up.

Huh? This is not an argument. We don't know how fast the ship ('The Hammer') flew by after the sents were electrocuted.

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Don't ask me who is, but this is my belief...

Any suggestions who it might be? Except those already mentioned at

OK - the EMP thing - the lights still worked, and the Hammer had to be fairly close - it took quite some time from the sentinels throwing the bomb to it hitting the Neb - certainly long enough for them to pick up lights and get out - and it looked like it was travelling pretty fast. As the Hammer turned up literally seconds after Neo stopped the sentinels, I think it does pretty categorically disprove theEMP theory - but then, I am not an expert on the EMP blast radius and the speed at which hovercrafts can travel...

Since nobody in here cares about the real facts, I should probably not write this, but I still do...

The proof:
1) Neo says he can feel the sentinels
2) When the sentinels are coming closer he raises his arm, and jerks his hand forward in the excact same moment the first sentinel seems to hit somethig (it makes a sound like metal hitting metal) .

The only reason Neo could be 100% syncronized with the "blast" was by causing it.

NEO got his powers from his entanglement with SMITH in the first film; when he attempted to destroy SMITH and failed. And SMITH got his NEW powers from the same encounter - THEY ARE CONNECTED in a way that will be revealed in REVOLUTIONS...I'll say no more...

Gaz wrote:

I've just seen Reloaded again, in all its IMAX glory. This has posed some questions, dismissed some alternate theories, and will probably bug some people on here who have read every post ever posted on the Matrix...so I'll begin...! First, I have just posted elsewhere on this site that an EMP pulse did not halt the sentinels at the end, otherwise all electrical items in the vicinity, INCLUDING the ship which picks Neo et al up. So it must either be Neo, or something else...but not EMP... Second, I am now of the opinion that when the Architect replies to Neo, in a derisory fashion when he suggests that the Oracle is the mother of the Matrix with "please", this is because she is, in fact, not. Don't ask me who is, but this is my belief... Third, The Architect already knows what Neos choice is going to be (supposedly), and he wants him to return to the source (supposedly), and he gives him two choices. One door leads to the source, one back to the matrix. Why then, if he knows that Neo will chose the matrix, does he not switch the doors, and tell him the one which leads to the source actually leads to the matrix, thereby folling him into returning to the source? Fourth - Morpheus states that the prophecy has not come true since Neo has been to the Source and the war is not over. But Neo has not been to the source - he chose the door back to the Matrix - perhaps if he had have taken the door to the source, he would have been assimilated back into the program, and the war would have been over, because it would start again - this shows the Oracle to be on the side of the machines, as she told the prophecy. Finally (for now, cos this is just a brain dump at the moment) - if Neo's powers are caused in the real world by the failed replication which Smith tried, as has been suggested, then Morpheus should now have similar powers - just before the Architect scene, in the corridor, Morpheus is partially replicated by Smith before Neo stops it from happening. Thoughts? :shock:

1) I agree.
2) I don´t know.
3) I posted last week that I think that the Architect want to humans and machines live together in armony. So i believe that Neo has an IA Chip inside him (he is a machine), then, he loves trinity, trinity loves him, so machines love humans, humans love machines, this is the end of the war.
4) Yes, Oracle is another mechanism of control that guides the one to the source
5) mmmm..... may be!

Because of the stubbornness of some people on this forum I will present the EMP idea this way.
Say we are about to watch Revolutions, the movie starts and we are on the Hammar. It shows them tracking the Neb and picking up sentinals on their scanners. Then, on their monitor screen, they see the Neb get blown up. They continue towards it to see if they can find out what happened, but they sense the sentinals coming in to look for survivers. They stop the ship and power down a short ways away from the Neb. As the sentinals get in range and as the crew is running towards them, they fire the EMP. You watch from the EMP's perspective as it rushes forward, pushes Neo forward a bit, and fries the sentinals. You see Neo collapse and Link say "its the Hammar," and all are rescued. Then you pick up where we left off in the coma scene where they try to figure out what happened.

stinkz wrote:

Because of the stubbornness of some people on this forum I will present the EMP idea this way. Say we are about to watch Revolutions, the movie starts and we are on the Hammar. It shows them tracking the Neb and picking up sentinals on their scanners. Then, on their monitor screen, they see the Neb get blown up. They continue towards it to see if they can find out what happened, but they sense the sentinals coming in to look for survivers. They stop the ship and power down a short ways away from the Neb. As the sentinals get in range and as the crew is running towards them, they fire the EMP. You watch from the EMP's perspective as it rushes forward, pushes Neo forward a bit, and fries the sentinals. You see Neo collapse and Link say "its the Hammar," and all are rescued. Then you pick up where we left off in the coma scene where they try to figure out what happened.

Even if we disregard all the facts, that would still be a bad idea.

I don't think that the Hammer had anything to do with the EMP.
Neo ~ "Something's different, I can feel them.." at which point he raised his hand. Why would he have said this and raised his hand the way he did if he wasn't going to do anything but stand there and face the wrath of the sentinels?
Neo is damn sure of his abilities so why would he make a mistake like that?

what else would he have done? run away? he was dead no matter what happened.

I'd like to address a few basic assumptions. Are you overlooking the fact that the Architect may be on the same side as Neo and the human race and that the Architect is Smith's enemy? Smith did get disconnected, I guess by the Architect. Maybe the Architect stopped the sentinals and Neo got hit by friendly fire. Didn't Smith control the sentinals? Or maybe Neo has a wireless connection to the Matrix. Who knows what electronic devices might be in him along with the plugs. By counteracting the function of the Matrix he might counter his own conscienceness and then go into a coma.

We now know that programs in the matrix can conflict and fight each other. The Matrix overall is a good thing for the human race now that the planet can't sustain human life. Where would all those people go if they were freed? The need to by plugged in.

And maybe the human race destroyed the planet themselves and not by fighting the machines (as opposed to what Morpheus said) so the Matrix is the only way to survive.

If Neo destroyed the Matrix he'd be killing off most of the remainder of the planet. Is that not widely understood? Sorry for the tangent.

Back to emp. Maybe it was specifically directed. Why knows what type of technology they would have?

Just a quick thought...
Has anyone played Enter the Matrix? Well obviously the game and Reloaded are based on each other...anyways...at the end of the game, Niobe's ship, the Logos, goes deep underground and have no hope for rescue....But what if it was the Logos who made the EMP? Do you remember how while Neo was destroying the sentinels Trinity was trying to get that gun-thing to work and started to smash it like it wasnt working? maybe it shut down because of the Logos' EMP and the Hammer could have been just out of range before the blast hit....
Again just a thought

wow... how did all of these thoughts get taken so out of context? Anyways, its not an EMP. I used to be the biggest EMP theorist, but it has been proven wrong. I thought it could explain why Neo and Smith went into a coma, because they are both part machine. But, I couldn't explain where Neo would have gained his machine attributes. I thought it was through a connection with Agent Smith, but, there are only two places where any connection takes place.
1) the end of M1 where he goes inside Smith and smashes him to bits
2) when Smith tries to take him over

However, Neo gets hit by an emp right after he comes out of the matrix after connecting with Smith in 1, but nothing happens.
The problem with 2 is that Smith also partially copied onto Morpheus. But, after being hit by the same EMP, Morpheus didn't fall into a coma.

The only other thought I have heard is that Neo's machine code was unlocked at the source. Therefore, he only became part machine after reaching the source. However, I do not buy this either. For this could explain how he got his powers OR how he fell over by an EMP.

Since the main idea backing this theory has been rejected (the connection of Smith and Neo causing their simultaneous comas) there is no more reason to believe it. Plus, I agree with emp. It would be too crappy an explanation.

In M1, the EMP causes a visible blue-white wave thing. No such wave is seen at the end of Reloaded. I don't think an EMP killed the sentinels.

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