»Reloaded or Upgraded?«

I started this thread due to people going off subject on a thread I started called "The Oracle's Dangerous Game".

Someonne started to ask, "How do we know The Matrix got reloaded?"

Well, here's what I replied on that thread, and hopefully we can build on that.

Maybe it didn't got reloaded, maybe it just got improved. You see that The Matrix is now a happy and peaceful place with a beautiful sunset. Of course you only get to see a glimpse of one city being like this at the end of Revolutions, but I figure it's pretty much like this all over The Matrix now. Maybe it's to make The Matrix more appealing to the people plugged in so they choose to stay and keep providing energy to the machines, instead of being unplugged an go to live in crappy Zion. Anyways, it's just a thought. Comments?

here's that thread. m4jor_p41n can make his claims so i can ask him about it. maybe he won't dodge my questions this time.

m4jor_p41n claims that when the Architect says "reinsert the prime program" he means "prime programs" as MS Office is several programs packaged together (even though they're all seperate programs on seperate disks). he claims that when neo defeated Smith the Matrix was reloaded (pointing to the name of M2 as evidence) and the prime programs were reinserted, bringing on the last scene in M3.

i question all of this, and m4jor_p41n claims i'm the one making the assertions.

where does one turn a singular pro-noun into a plural noun?

the name of the movie is irrelevant to the story as much as Metallica's album Reload is, or Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back having anything to do with the main points in the story.

in the last scene we have an Indian girl which was a created program from two other programs, and considered an exile ready for deletion. how is this girl a "prime program?"

and it's the sunrise an obvious bow to Dark City? (j/k)

Glock, again.. ..

What is the name of Matrix 2 and 3 movie?
I'll give a hint, they both start with the letter 'R"

"reloaded" and "revolution" is the answer.

1. Reloaded is to load again.
2. Revolution is a single complete cycle

Add 1 and 2 and what do you get? The matrix got loaded again and went through another cycle.

Every word and every name are careful chosen in the movies. Do you think the brothers gave the name "Reloaded" and "Revolution" because the name sounds cool? hmm.. Are you mad because they didn't name matrix 2 and 3 , "upgrading" and "upgraded" ?

Also, rather than telling other people what I've claim to have said. Why don't you link them to that thread so the words can't be twisted around. As you are doing a crappy job of summarizing what I've said.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

What is the name of Matrix 2 and 3 movie? I'll give a hint, they both start with the letter 'R"

i've already missed it. your redundancy isn't making your case.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Add 1 and 2 and what do you get? The matrix got loaded again and went through another cycle.

what makes you believe the whole matrix was reloaded and put through another cycle, and not just a portion of it, like The One?

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Also, rather than telling other people what I've claim to have said. Why don't you link them to that thread so the words can't be twisted around. As you are doing a crappy job of summarizing what I've said. matrix-explained.com...

let the people decide how i surmized what you said. how i read it you got all high and mighty thinking your opinion was correct. i'm simply asking why you think it is so and you're getting defensive and acting a fool

[quote="m4jor_p41n"]
I 've already told you , that I think it got reloaded. You either accept it or you don't and move on and believe what you want to believe.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

said you believe it got reloaded. i'm asking why you think that. i'm not satisfied with your answers. [quote="m4jor_p41n"] Grow up man, you are acting like a little kid running to mommy because daddy told him something he didn't like.

because i'm asking questions about what you think? that's childish? i think it's childish that you aren't trying to give satisfacory answers, dodging questions, and then calling me names.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Please tell us why you don't think it got reloaded. Enlighten us all, glock. we are waiting...

i have not said i don't think it got reloaded. all i have done is ask you why you believe this way in face of everything i have asked of you.

you've still dodged most of my questions and resorted to ad hoc comments.

haha, you are a character.. man..

I've already told you why I think it got reloaded. Play fair, now tell me why you think it got upgraded or whatever.. Still waiting....

I have to agree with both of you on this one....

The Matrix WAS indeed Reloaded and Revolutions had a double meaning... which has been discussed in this forum some time ago...

But it was also the 'new and improved' version of the Matrix that was reloaded.

... The Machines had evolved.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

I've already told you why I think it got reloaded. Play fair, now tell me why you think it got upgraded or whatever.. Still waiting....

first off: i have never given a positive assertion. i'm not here to prove why i think it is anything. i'm simply asking you why you think it is the way it is. and you answers have been unsatisfactory. you have said you think it's that way because of the movie titles.

you haven't answered most of my questions.

*copy*paste*etc*

you'll be waiting a long time for me to give an answer because i've not claimed to have an opinion, nor have i claimed you were wrong. i haven't made any claims, i've simply asked for your answers. and you've dodged them time after time.

i guess i can just assume you believe the matrix was "reloaded" simply "because that's what i believe"

yawn.... zZzZzzz.. tell me something new.

something new:

if the prime program suite was reinserted into the matrix (The One, Oracle, Architect, Smith, etc), they would be at the begining, in stead of proceeding in the path they had been on and currently were on at the end of M3. but, we see that The One does start at the begining, and the other programs do not start at the begining at all.

how do you explain that?

May be the brothers thought the final scene showing Oracle, Architect, Sati and seraph program was important.. Only the brothers would know... why the other was not shown.

It is said that once the one returns to the source, the matrix will be reloaded.

We saw Neo return to the source via the machine city route, so the one completed his function , therefore the reloading took place.

So do you think it reloaded at the end or just a deja vu ?

Hahaha. This topic is hilarious. Please continue.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

It is said that once the one returns to the source, the matrix will be reloaded. We saw Neo return to the source via the machine city route, so the one completed his function , therefore the reloading took place.

i'm sorry, but i cannot remember a place where it says this. in the architect's dialouge we find that "The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race."

we do not find a reloading of the matrix here. we also find that neo does not fulfill the full purpose. he does not repopulate zion because they do not defeat zion.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

So do you think it reloaded at the end or just a deja vu ?

what i think is irrelevant. but from the last scene we don't have to deduce it is a reload nor deja vu. it could be a brighter future for tomorrow in peace.

Akshat Gupta wrote:

Hahaha. This topic is hilarious. Please continue.

i do my best to please the audience.

glocks out wrote:

what i think is irrelevant. but from the last scene we don't have to deduce it is a reload nor deja vu. it could be a brighter future for tomorrow in peace.

Dude! there are only 3 possibilities that I'm aware of.

1. Reload
2. cataclysmic system crash
3. deja vu (glitch)

Where are you getting a "it could be a brighter future tomorrow in peace" possibility from? Enlighten us..please...

Yes, AG, it 's hilarious.. but hey i'm bored. I'll be his huckleberry..

Maybe glock is trying to say that the last scene took place in the real world. Suddenly the darkened skies cleared up and the sun shone again. Within minutes, buildings were reconstructed. The entire ecosystem was stabalized. And programs such as Oracle and Seraph have been given the magic powers of existing in the REAL world. Nah....

I have no idea what glock is saying. All I know is, he asks a lot of questions

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Dude! there are only 3 possibilities that I'm aware of.

then you're not thinking hard enough

m4jor_p41n wrote:

1. Reload

you have yet to reference this one except in the movie title.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

2. cataclysmic system crash

this one we can rule out simply because we do still have the final scene

m4jor_p41n wrote:

3. deja vu (glitch)

you will have to explain that one, because from what we observe there is no relapse in time. nothing seems to go back in time here.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Where are you getting a "it could be a brighter future tomorrow in peace" possibility from? Enlighten us..please...

neo bringing peace between man and machine. obviously zion was not decimated.

you also need to bring in the fact that Neo does things entirely different for a different goal. he does give in to his destiny in returning to the source to prevent the cataclysm within the matrix, but he also prevents the destruction of zion. which obviously brings in a 4th possibility, in the very least.

think linear time. time now does not go back. a video rewinds, and the events in it are the same no matter how many times you play it out, but obviously this is not the nature of the matrix, it is an evolving equasion.

this can very well bring in questions about the actual purpose of The One. could he simply be a creation of the machines to balance the matrix out so it wouldn't have the conflict in it at all? a way to answer the equasion?

do you disagree that neo went to the machine city to beg peace between the machines and man? a future of peace. beautiful serene settings (like a sunrise for instance) can very well be a testimony to peace (a brighter future).

Akshat Gupta wrote:

Maybe glock is trying to say that the last scene took place in the real world. Suddenly the darkened skies cleared up and the sun shone again. Within minutes, buildings were reconstructed. The entire ecosystem was stabalized. And programs such as Oracle and Seraph have been given the magic powers of existing in the REAL world. Nah....

not at all. the programs are there, so it's obviously inside the matrix. are your minds so weak?

i guess i can be confusing if i'm asking questions you can't understand.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

I have no idea what glock is saying. All I know is, he asks a lot of questions

that's how knowledge increases, does it not?

Ok so you are saying the matrix did'nt reload, crash or deja vu. What happened then? upgrade? is that an option? I thought only programs get upgrade. Could you show me where in the transcript that say the matrix can get upgrade?

i have not made any positive assertions, i've asked quetions.

but you haven't showed me enough evidence supporting a reload. it obviously didn't crash. and where does deja vu play a role in this topic? but you are quite limiting yourself here with only these three ideas.

in the transcrpts: "ooh, upgrades" when they ran into the new agents. but that's not important because i've asked you to reference your claims and you have not done so.

i'm still asking questions.

glocks out wrote:

i have not made any positive assertions

Why not? Are you afraid your view may be question?

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but you haven't showed me enough evidence supporting a reload. it obviously didn't crash. and where does deja vu play a role in this topic? but you are quite limiting yourself here with only these three ideas.

my ideas are based around the transcript of the movies, animatrix and ETM. I prefer not to stray to far from the transcript and come up with wild ideas.

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in the transcrpts: "ooh, upgrades" when they ran into the new agents.

Again, only program gets upgrade.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

glocks out wrote: i have not made any positive assertions Why not? Are you afraid your view may be question?

not at all. i simply want to get things answered before i make a fool out myself making ridiculous claims.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Quote: but you haven't showed me enough evidence supporting a reload. it obviously didn't crash. and where does deja vu play a role in this topic? but you are quite limiting yourself here with only these three ideas. my ideas are based around the transcript of the movies, animatrix and ETM. I prefer not to stray to far from the transcript and come up with wild ideas.

then you would have no problem giving me the answers i've asked in stead of dodging them constantly.

i find it very ammusing that you consistently refuse to answer the questions with any amount of logic or dignity.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Quote: in the transcrpts: "ooh, upgrades" when they ran into the new agents. Again, only program gets upgrade.

i have various applications on my computer, they can all gan upgrades. i also have an Operating System on my computer, which these applications run in, and this OS can also have upgrades. not only that, but i can upgrade my Hardware.

maybe you use a MAC and can't grasp the concept behind the whole thing.

i'm quite unsatisfied with your answers. you seem to be taking the "i'm right because i say so" road.

glocks out wrote:

i simply want to get things answered before i make a fool out myself making ridiculous claims

so.. you are afraid to share you views, because you are afraid to be a fool?

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i have various applications on my computer, they can all gan upgrades. i also have an Operating System on my computer, which these applications run in, and this OS can also have upgrades

Yes I agree, but when you upgrade your OS, doesn't it require "loading"? It would requires some action on your part before it can be upgrade, right? You better hope you don't screw up loading upgrades to your OS because then you'll have to "RELOAD"

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i'm quite unsatisfied with your answers. you seem to be taking the "i'm right because i say so" road.

I never perceive myself that way, but you are entitle to your beliefs.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

glocks out wrote: i simply want to get things answered before i make a fool out myself making ridiculous claims so.. you are afraid to share you views, because you are afraid to be a fool?

does it matter what i want? i want answers to my questions right now, that's all. in fact i did propose a theory in one of these forums, perhaps you shoud read that.

why are you so afraid to answer my questions? can you not answer them?

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Yes I agree, but when you upgrade your OS, doesn't it require "loading" It requires some action on your part right before it can be upgrade right? You better hope you don't screw up loading upgrades to your OS because then you'll have to "RELOAD"

when i upgrade my OS there's no loading involved. i download the upgrade and install it.

will it screw up? no, beause the upgrade is constructed so it won't have to be reloaded.

if it's reloaded, it does not serve its purpose.

are you claiming that the matrix does not get upgraded? have there not been different versions of the matrix? if the matrix gets entirely "reloaded" it would have to go through it's upgrades all over again.

and you still haven't answered my questions. in fact the more you put it off the more questions are piling up.

shall i list them all in order that you can address them one at a time?