»SENTINELS ARE INCREDIBLY LIFELIKE FOR A MACHINE- WELL DONE«

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The machines have their revolution and gain freedom from man's control.

yes. but at what COST.
rember their dead carcases were being piled up in ditches and rivers.
and then they were cast away to an ISLAND?

this is similar to what england did to THEIR criminals when they sent them to AUSTRAILIA.
not exaclty a machine victory, after all they wanted to live WITH their creators. (they demonstrated this with the U.N. scene)

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The machines try to reconcile with the humans in a peaceful manner, and the humans reject the offer.

it was a "good" result for the humans-(it would have caused more hate crimes) and it was BAD for the machines, (they didnt get to join)

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Perhaps #4 could simply be an act of war, but as they clearly included all machines in their range of fire (not just military targets), I consider it to be especially bad (the Machines did the same thing afterwards by conquering humanity, so overall it was pretty awful).

not ALL machines, after all they were using mech armor.

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the Machines did the same thing afterwards by conquering humanity, so overall it was pretty awful).

the machines did NOT "TRY" and commit Genocide, their purpose of fighting the war was to "SURVIVE" and nothing else.
-it was and act of "self preservation"

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Neo did do as he was expected, but he managed to change the world in his method (or maybe it was the Oracles method); the other 5 supposebly choose the door leading to the source and allowed the system to continue once more, Neo rebelled, but rather than eliminating the Machines, he gave life to both species. Personally I don't like to comment about the other 5 because what they did acheive is not known.

if NEO did what was "EXPECTED" then that just proves that they KNEW what was going to Happen, what was going to be the OUTCOME.

and the ONLY way that people know the outcome (even god) is that its "all happend before"

this is the way that god knows the future.
this is the way that the ORACLE knows the future "because you already made it."

the other 5 did the SAME THING.
they chose the SAME door.
"we already know what your going to do dont we"-archetect.
the other 5 didnt "supposedly" choose the other door, this was what the archetect WANTED neo to think.

while the archect was "cleaver" and "misleading" he really "technically" wasnt lying.
and the w-brothers didnt want you to think that he was.
(at least not in the grand scheme)
they want you to think that machines are "INCABABLE" of lying and that somehow the machines HAVE to "keep their word" otherwise the machines ENTIRE CREDIBLITY is shot to hell.

how can we trust the machines to keep their word if the archetect lied?
how?
because he didnt.
either he LIED or he didnt.
either way it SUCKS because it means the other 5 did the SAME THING.
which they did.
-btw in the ORIGIONAL script of the first matrix movie, even MORPHEUS knows of the other 5.
i dont know what this exactly means, only that if he knew this why didnt he tell neo?
and why didnt they leave it in, or take it out?
because they wanted to shock you with it in the 2nd film.
they WANTED you to "THINK" that the prophecy was a "fake" when in actuality it wasnt.
the ONLY way a prophecy even EXISTS is because its "all happend before"

and it will happen "AGAIN"

and that his coming would "hail the destruction of the matrix and end the war"
did the matrix get "destroyed?"
in a manner of speaking, it changed then it was re-created.
and in all DEFINITIONS it can be considered destroyed becuase nothing ever gets 'destroyed' per say, it only changes its "FORM"
did the matrix "change its form?"
yes.
did neo "END THE WAR?"
yes becuase there is PEACE.
but will there be ANOTHER war?
yes.
because its happend before and it will happen AGAIN.

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The machines have their revolution and gain freedom from man's control.

Read my original version of this, I only simplified this one because I didn't want to keep saying the same thing. What the humans did was wrong, I just didn't want to go on with it, because you already agreed.

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The machines try to reconcile with the humans in a peaceful manner, and the humans reject the offer.

If you think this is so great, then maybe you would say that all people of ethnic background should leave America, there would be less hate crimes (sarcasm).

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the Machines did the same thing afterwards by conquering humanity, so overall it was pretty awful).

You misunderstand, I wasn't referring to the genocide, what I mean is that both sides let their attacks spread to civilians, which is not really acceptable I'd say.

If Neo did exactly what the Architect predicted, then what where the Architect and the Oracle talking about in tyhe finale? They both knew what was going to happen, why would it be such a risk?

What the Architect predicted was true because it had to happen, Neo had to do those thing to make sure that both species survived, not because the Architect tricked him. It is no use debating this point further here, if you wish to continue, create a new post in the apropriate place, and I will continue. This is off topic here, and it is unlikely that we will get any alternate opinions from others.

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If you think this is so great, then maybe you would say that all people of ethnic background should leave America, there would be less hate crimes (sarcasm).

haha... that actually made me laugh.. that was pretty funny

although its wrong, i DO think that there would be less hate crimes, there would HAVE to be. (at least against ethnicity)
but people would STILL find something to hate.

the differece?

the animatirx made it out that MOST of the people hated the machines.
and only a SMALL portion of them wanted them to stay.

the protestors were ONLY protesting for that 1 robot therefore it made it APPEAR that the ENITRE HUMAN RACE wanted them to leave.

which is rediculous (logically) but its a movie. and thats what the W-bros wanted you to think.

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You misunderstand, I wasn't referring to the genocide, what I mean is that both sides let their attacks spread to civilians, which is not really acceptable I'd say.

yes but the HUMANS were trying genocide while the machines were NOT.
genocide is WAYYY worse than slavery.

however, put the people RESPONSIBLE for it in chains, and no others.
and THIS is what makes the machines WORSE.

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If Neo did exactly what the Architect predicted, then what where the Architect and the Oracle talking about in tyhe finale? They both knew what was going to happen, why would it be such a risk?

you thought it was a RISK?
no it wasnt. what he SAID was "you play a very dangerous game"
thats all.
what he was referring to was her being TAKEN OVER by agent smith.
and risking her life.

the "danger" was ONLY on her part.
"YOU" play a dangerous game. and not WE play a dangerous game.

serph said "did you always know"
oracle said NO. but i "BELIEVED"
when you BELIEVE in god and then you see him happen did you have KNOWLEDGE that he would come?
YES.
whether or not he actually came or will come is irrelevent.
only that you KNEW that he would.

if you belive something and it happens were you RIGHT about it?
YES.
the BELEIF has now turned itself into FACT.

and the reason why she doesnt KNOW everytime? and only BELEIVES?
because another NEO "could" choose another option "like NOT choosing a door or FAILING TO COMPLY"

but the oracle and the archetecht and the W-bros want you to belive that doing so would kill all the people in the matrix.
(which is stupid)
but it COULD happen and she WANTS it to end the way that it did.
"the only way to get there is TOGETHER"-oracle.
and she knows that "THE ONE" program was designed with a connection to the rest of mankind -"facillitaing the function of the one"-archetect.

and if the program tells him that he should feel "bad" about the people if they die then he should "comply" with the process.
and he did.

and since the oracle KNOWS that neo is part program she believes that he will follow out the way the others have.
and he did.

First of all, your 'new topic' is either the result of you misunderstanding my request, or you purposely insulting me, I'll assume it was #1. The idea was to create a post "Was there a relovution?", "did Neo change anything" or such, probably in an appropriate section of the forum, which people could address and give their opinions and ideas to. What you created was a copy of what is her, which will most likely promote no feedback.

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haha... that actually made me laugh.. that was pretty funny

Thanks, though I didn't think that that was a very clever line... could I be funnier than I think, or are you 'dissing' my statement? Directly, does it matter how many people were 'that way', a lot of people probably beleived that the world was flat, and I can't say that was a good thing.. I do understand that the protesters were only really protesting for that one robot, but it is one of those cases that could potentially change the world (robot rights).

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however, put the people RESPONSIBLE for it in chains, and no others. and THIS is what makes the machines WORSE.

Umm, genocide is not any better. When you try to eliminate a race, you target the innocent as well as the guilty (if they are guilt at all...), which means that both sides did the same thing wrong. Either way, I don't care though, because they are both guilty of horrendus crimes against one another, the Machines are simply the ones who got to carry their plan through. I do not think the Machines are innocent, just that times are changing.

I don't want to debate the revolution idea, unless their are some other opinions here. I think that there are many others in this forum who have ideas about this, and I don't want to disregard them.

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First of all, your 'new topic' is either the result of you misunderstanding my request, or you purposely insulting me, I'll assume it was #1.

yeah it was #1.
and i still dont know what you want, so you do it then.
and tell me where it is.

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Thanks, though I didn't think that that was a very clever line... could I be funnier than I think, or are you 'dissing' my statement? Directly, does it matter how many people were 'that way', a lot of people probably beleived that the world was flat, and I can't say that was a good thing.. I do understand that the protesters were only really protesting for that one robot, but it is one of those cases that could potentially change the world (robot rights).

im not dissing the statment, i just thought the statement was funny on its on merit.
like saying something like "its my duty to please that booty."
because its funny to say DOOTY and BOOTY.
haha.
thats all.
yeah it matters. if the WHOLE world thought that way then yeah it matters.
(realistically this is "practically" impossible, but it was the message that they wanted to send)
if the whole world believed that the world was flat, then there would be no one "trying" to prove that it wasnt.
and if they "stumbled" across the reality that it was round then it would make MORE of an impact across the world. (especially to those who discovered it, cause they believed it was flat too)

in a way it did do "something" they sent them away instead of killing them all "immediately"
and yeah in real life these "same people" would probably go against those actions, but thats REAL LIFE and not the movies.
(and thats what they wanted you to believe)
-they wanted us to swollow this garbage-
and i hated it. cause its (b.s.)

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Umm, genocide is not any better. When you try to eliminate a race, you target the innocent as well as the guilty (if they are guilt at all...), which means that both sides did the same thing wron

no, and i said it was WORSE. (opposite of "better")
its WORSE than slavery.
"clearly"

but time passed and the guilty paid for their crimes.
you dont punish people who didnt commit genocide.
(which is what the machines were doing)

1. man makes sin and commits "genocide"
2. man gets punished for genocide and get put in "prison"
3. man dies of old age and "OTHER" men "REMAIN" in prison.

would it be right for people to put ALL the people of germany in prison for what their DIRECT ancestors did?
the NAZI'S?

NO. (the nazis commited genocide and their offspring should be free)
(in the same way that the HUMANS commited genocide and the offspring should be free)

the machines had every right to put "men" in prison or "the matrix"
where they went WRONG is by "KEEPING" them there.
(if they were innocent people in the matrix- and there werent because ALL mankind wanted them destroyed)
and if There WAS people in the world of the animatrix that wanted the BEST for the machines then they shouldnt be in the matrix at all.
they should be free.
why punish those who want the machines to prosper?
they shouldnt be.
and this isnt what the w-bros wanted you to believe.
they wanted you to think that ALL MANKIND wanted to destroy them.
(it makes it more controversial that way)

Ok, what we have now is the two of us trying to decide if Neo changed anything or if he just continued the cycle. I think this is a question that can be answered better if more people give their theories, so rather than continuing, I would prefer to ask the question in the "More Matrix theories, More Matrix explanations" section, where more people would be likely to address it (and under an appropriate name rather than "SENTINELS ARE INCREDIBLY LIFELIKE FOR A MACHINE- WELL DONE", which doesn't suit this new question).

First of all, no-one said that the whole world hated the Machines, the issue is that a lot of humans today think that an artificial intelligence could never be 'real', so there is no reason to give one any rights (or so they say). In that context, if tomorrow a toaster showed independence (somehow killed a human), and proved that all toasters can act this way, how would mankind react? (remember, there is nothing to show that a toaster is capable of requiring any rights). I don't think it is a stretch to say that there wouldn't be many toasters around for long.
So if the humans hate the Machines so much, why did they give them such rights? They could easily have eliminated the threat, but thy didn't. I'd say that while the majority hated the idea of the Machines beng independent, there was a minority large enough to defend machine rights (the accused would have had a laywer, for instance), and for the time being, there was a compromise, the Machines leave the humans alone, and they get their rights (this would allow a compromise between the ignorant and the enlightened). However, as time passed, the Machines didn't just stay out of site, they tried to be equal to the humans, and to the ignorant, this is terrible! "what right does a "toaster" have to engage in business with me? and to be successful too!". This situation already exists in our past (and present), to a certain extent, so I don't find it too hard to "swallow".

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but time passed and the guilty paid for their crimes.

Allow me to re-address this point. During the early years of the war, both sides committed equally terrible acts (mankind = genocide, machinekind = slavery). The Machines should have given all humankind the choice to be reedeemed, but they didn't. What you should have said is: both sides were wrong to begin with, but the machines were wrong afterwards as well. So here is my updated tally:
1. machine rights and sent the machines away. (neutral)
2. The humans do not allow a peaceful race into the U.N because the humans can't handle the situation. (humans)
3. The machines engage in peaceful business relations with the humans, and when they are too successful, the humans react with VIOLENCE. They try to kill off an entire race. (humans)
4. The humans attempt genocide on the machines. (humans)
5. The machines enslave the humans as a puishment. (machines)
6. The machines continue to punish innocent humans. (machines)

Although I personally think that the machines were never justified to enslave humanity (which would make #5 and #6 one point). I never intended to say that the machines were innocent at all, I may have givien the wrong idea.

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"More Matrix theories, More Matrix explanations" section

ok i did, its under NEO CHANGED NOTHING.

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First of all, no-one said that the whole world hated the Machines, the issue is that a lot of humans today think that an artificial intelligence could never be 'real', so there is no reason to give one any rights (or so they say). In that context, if tomorrow a toaster showed independence (somehow killed a human), and proved that all toasters can act this way, how would mankind react? (remember, there is nothing to show that a toaster is capable of requiring any rights). I don't think it is a stretch to say that there wouldn't be many toasters around for long.

it doesnt say "whole world" it says "Leaders of men"
and theres a reason why they are leaders. *because they are voted*
and just because it didnt say that it DOESNT mean it didnt "appear" this way.

artificial inteligence cant be "real" according to the "religious" sence.

it says in the matrix "endowed with the same spirit of man"
thats a pretty blunt thing to say because if they DO have a "spririt" in the religious sence then yeah the do.
but realistically it would NEVER happen.
you cant have "artifical emotion" only because anything "artifical" would not be permitted by ANY god.
he/she/it would want you to know what REAL love, and REAL pain felt like.

if you were a spirit and inside a machine you would be able to be controlled by programs, and stuff of this nature and all kinds of things would be WRONG with that.
it LIMITS freedom of choice. (which is what the w-bros want)
which is STUPID.

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So if the humans hate the Machines so much, why did they give them such rights?

you can still hate someone and not KILL them.
and what rights did they give them? not much, what? the right to live on a island?

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They could easily have eliminated the threat, but thy didn't.

i dont know about that. there were tons of them even before one of them got a unfair trial. (remember the piles of dead machines)
and i think that some of mankind tried to do this, but tons of them escaped and the others merely got sent away.

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I'd say that while the majority hated the idea of the Machines beng independent, there was a minority large enough to defend machine rights

if the leaders of mankind make a ruleing it is based of jury decision and this jury decision is a MAJORITY vote. (at least this works this way in the united states)

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and for the time being, there was a compromise, the Machines leave the humans alone, and they get their rights (this would allow a compromise between the ignorant and the enlightened).

. compromise, via media -- (a middle way between two extremes)
2. compromise -- (an accommodation in which both sides make concessions; "the newly elected congressmen rejected a compromise because they considered it `business as usual'")

compromises are BAD when you COMPROMISE something it means you "give up" something.

when you "compromise" your position on something. it means you "give it up"
whenever you compromise there is a part of you that feels resentment toward the other person.

there is ALWAYS a 3rd option to every compromise.
a compromise does NOT mean that EVERYONE WINS.
what it means is that EVERYONE LOSES.
everyone loses something in a compromise to "please the other party"
and if you dont know what it is, then thats YOUR problem. *but one EXISTS*

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However, as time passed, the Machines didn't just stay out of site, they tried to be equal to the humans, and to the ignorant, this is terrible! "what right does a "toaster" have to engage in business with me? and to be successful too!". This situation already exists in our past (and present), to a certain extent, so I don't find it too hard to "swallow

the african american people are not "toasters" so it doesnt even come close.
theres NOTHING like this that i can think of.
give me 1 example.

i see the logic in the movie and i DONT dismiss it, and i NEVER have.

what i dismiss is the fact that there wouldnt be ANY people that would defend them or try and prove that they are HUMAN. or have SPIRITS.

the SOLUTION?
prove to the people that dont "BELIEVE" that they have souls/spirits that they actually do. (when they wouldnt in reality, but in the animatrix they do)

just because someone doesnt BELIVE in something doenst make them IGNORANT.
and just because someone BELIEVES in something doesnt make them SMART.
having knowledge of 1 aspect of something does not a smart man make.
KNOWLEDGE and INTELLIGENCE are 2 different things.
yes KNOWING stuff HELPS you to "appear" intelligent, it doesnt mean that you are.

intelligence comes NATURALLY. in the same way some people are NATURALLY smart while others are STUPID.
some people spend DAYS studying on psychology while i didnt study a single day and got straight A's.
am i SMARTER than them?
YES. (but only in THAT subject)

is someone with brain damage (who cant even tie his shoes or barely speaks) SMARTER because he knows that the machines have spirits?
NO.
(and the only reason he knows is because his mommy told him so?)
NO.

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Allow me to re-address this point. During the early years of the war, both sides committed equally terrible acts (mankind = genocide, machinekind = slavery).

genocide is NOT equally terrible to GENOCIDE.

yes they are both bad but 1 is WORSE.
lets see i think that ill EXUCUTE ALL MY PRISONERS (INSTEAD of keeping them locked up)

GENOCIDE IS WORSE

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The Machines should have given all humankind the choice to be reedeemed, but they didn't.

no not ALL of them.
just the ones who are sorry for what they did. and the ones who werent even involved in it.

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1. machine rights and sent the machines away. (neutral)

i dont know what machine rights means. but i see sent machines away.
its NOT neutral.
its a COMPROMISE. they BOTH lost.
(machines didnt get what they wanted and Neither did the majority of mankind.)
if mankind had THEIR way they would be wiped off the earth.
so it is MORE a victory for MANKIND since machines simply wanted peace, while mankind is SHUNNING them.
its like putting african americans out of america. (it wouldnt be "neutral" it would be mankind)

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2. The humans do not allow a peaceful race into the U.N because the humans can't handle the situation. (humans

i agree.

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3. The machines engage in peaceful business relations with the humans, and when they are too successful, the humans react with VIOLENCE. They try to kill off an entire race. (humans)

i agree.

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4. The humans attempt genocide on the machines. (humans)

3+4 is the same.
killing off an entire race IS genocide.

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5. The machines enslave the humans as a puishment. (machines)

this was justified after all they tried to kill them off.
they needed to keep them locked up so they dont "continue the fighting"
the matrix was just a way of stopping them.
and it was justified.
6. The machines continue to punish innocent humans. (machines)

#4 NULLIFIES and VOIDS #5 because it was justifed.

it is perfectly "JUST" to have prisons for the "guilty"
and the people who tried to commit genocide deserve the "matrix" and the ones who didnt deserve to be free of "JAIL"
what makes the machines MORE wrong is the fact that they IMPRISONED the innocent.
(remember the right to survive -self defence- is not wrong)

So you do not beleive that a machine can ever be equal to a human. I'll keep that in mind.

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So if the humans hate the Machines so much, why did they give them such rights?

Well, you answered this for me. If they are truly just programs that imitate real life inside mechanical bodies, then what rights do they get? the rights of a toaster.

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i dont know about that. there were tons of them even before one of them got a unfair trial.

It doesn't matter a few escape, unless they are capable of some sort of simple mass production (without human help), then they were trapped. They were helpless being until they were freed, at which point they developed better designs for themselves and build their own independent construction areas.

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compromises are BAD when you COMPROMISE something it means you "give up" something.

Compromise can be good. It may not be the best solution, but if it stops killing and war, then it's ok. While the compromise keeps things stable, the people can have a proper debate about the situation.

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the african american people are not "toasters" so it doesnt even come close.

There were (and still are) many misguided people who think that african-americans have no soul and no human value. I didn't like the term "Ignorant" either, but I was rushing my response and ran it anyway, you are debating a point that I agree with...

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genocide is NOT equally terrible to GENOCIDE.

Where did I say this? I said mankind = genocide, machinekind = slavery; I didn't say genocide=slavery. They are both horrible crimes, and comparing them doesn't mean much in the end. If you accuse me of saying that one more time I will stop responding, sorry.

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no not ALL of them.

As you said yourself, the Machines chose slavery for themselves, not as a punishment. They were never right to do it, so no matter when they stopped, it would not justify it.

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its a COMPROMISE. they BOTH lost.

They both lost, so it is neutral. I say neutral is in neither mankind nor machinekind 'win'.

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3+4 is the same.

I'll agree there, I didn't notice that.

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it is perfectly "JUST" to have prisons for the "guilty"

I can't judge this statement because I'm not completely sure what the Machines aim was.

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Well, you answered this for me. If they are truly just programs that imitate real life inside mechanical bodies, then what rights do they get? the rights of a toaster.

thats right.
YES.
but were talking in LOGICS and REALITY. and not a "movie" or "fantasy"

in the same way that i would say that "santa clause" doesnt deserve any rights becasue he "doesnt exist"
we shouldnt have to PAY for his taxes.
that kind of thing.

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It doesn't matter a few escape, unless they are capable of some sort of simple mass production (without human help), then they were trapped. They were helpless being until they were freed, at which point they developed better designs for themselves and build their own independent construction areas

maybe you didnt understand what i was getting at.
their sheer numbers showed that maybe it took lots of "effort" to try and kill them all off.
they had arms and legs like we did and im sure they were capable of defending themselves in the same way that we can.
maybe the humans "could" have wiped them out, but getting "rid" of them was probably
"easier" thats all im saying.
Not to meantion it makes mankind "look better" than just "wiping them out"

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Compromise can be good. It may not be the best solution, but if it stops killing and war, then it's ok.

stopping killing and war is NOT a compromise when you "compromise" this means you GIVE up something.
EVERYONE wants peace. and everyone (practically) wants to live.

So, many people say that HIROSHIMA was a "compromise" and it "ended the war"
thats a GOOD thing? (killing all those innocent people?)
just because we stopped a war "with a compromise" doesnt mean that the action was good at all.

the united states "compormised" thier morals (according to its "christan" creation) to "end the war"

so if the united states "took over the world" (which goes against the constitution)
and COMPROMISED their morals to "end war"
that makes it GOOD?

if someone "blew up the world" and killed HIMSELF (COMPROMISED his own life) and it ended WAR and now their will be "endless peace"

doesnt everyone want "ENDLESS PEACE?"
yeah.
doesnt make it good.

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While the compromise keeps things stable, the people can have a proper debate about the situation.

theirs a difference between a compromise "giving up something" and "settling" for something.

you have to "settle" to the fact that EVERYONE will someday die.
we ALL have to.
are we COMRPOMISING our desire for "permancence?"
NO.
we just learn to accept it because theirs no answer to it. (and never will be)
-(the world will someday turn into a black hole and the sun will evetually explode, so even if we find -the fountain of youth- we will all someday die)

we should THINK of our actions before we do them.
-we are NEVER going to be "forced" by "timelines" to sin.-
because we are going to "intrinsically" know that the action is WRONG.
-in the same way that the machines (if they had a soul) would know that SLAVERY was wrong.
and in the same way that ME AND YOU know that "casting the machines out" was WRONG.

but its "just a movie" and "not real"
so you cant compare it "completely" with logic

because its clearly flawed.

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There were (and still are) many misguided people who think that african-americans have no soul and no human value.

yes. but not the majoirty and not the "leaders of man"
and it will NEVER resort to another "war" because of this reason.
but the matrix will.

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They are both horrible crimes, and comparing them doesn't mean much in the end

ill just quote you in saying that it doesnt mean "much in the end."
ok, just understand that the matrix and the "real world" acknoleges the fact that genocide is worse than slavery.
(and the punishment for murder/genocide*practically the same thing* and the punishment for slavery is completly different)
and the PUNISHMENT is what happens AFTER or (when the sin ENDS)
thats all ill say about that.
(yes their both bad)

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As you said yourself, the Machines chose slavery for themselves, not as a punishment

no you misunderstood me.
what i was meaning is that it was for BOTH.

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They were never right to do it, so no matter when they stopped, it would not justify it.

sure it would be, for the same reason why criminals have 10 day sentences in prison and other have 100 days.

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They both lost, so it is neutral. I say neutral is in neither mankind nor machinekind 'win'.

when most people say "neutral" it means that its neither good nor bad.

if someone kills you and then he kills himself, was it a NEUTRAL ACT?
or did you both DIE?

you both ended in DEATH. so its neutral right?
no.
suicide and MURDER are wrong.
murder is worse. cause he killed you.
while suicide just hurts himself.

2 crimes in the matrix were commited.
in the same way that 2 crimes were commited in my example.
both lost but both are bad.

LOSING is not NEUTRAL.
neither is winning.
when evil wins its LOSING. (according to the movies that say "the good guys should win)

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I can't judge this statement because I'm not completely sure what the Machines aim was

most people have said that "violence" was a learned responce absorbed or learned from their creators (the humans)

and it was used in response to "self preservation" and "self defence"

the matrix used the humans as "self preservation"
which is related to why PRISONS were created in the first place.

prisons were not created to "punish the guilty" (thats just an after effect)
they were initially created to "protect the innocent"
and to take them off the streets (like ive said before)

the machines did the same thing. they put them in the matrix to "stop them from commiting genocide and to "take them off the streets/earth/reality"

prisons and the matrix are VERY similar in the simple fact that they have both to do with "preservation of the innocent"
(even the sybiosis part of the matrix is this too)