»SENTINELS ARE INCREDIBLY LIFELIKE FOR A MACHINE- WELL DONE«

I have posted a far deeper explanation of their functioning as a "species," in another forum, but I would like to comment on the individual sentinels. I think it is amazing that a machine with esentially no moving facial features can come off as having a personality, reflecting thought, arousal, and intuition with posturing and body language. This becomes especially clear in the battle for Zion in a couple places

1. When the sentinels in the mechanical line sent word to the sentinels inside Zion to destroy the gate mechanism, a sentinel inside stops abruptly and 'turns an ear,' toward the incoming info.

2. When Zee and her partner take out the leg of the first digger and the sentinel has a near miss at grabbing them, it turns suddenly and quite clearly gives us the message that it is thinking something to the effect of, "oh $h!t!, this is not good."

3. The one that attempts to stop Kid from openning the gate clearly waits, bides his time so that he can ambush the APU, and when Zee zaps him at first, he stops, raises up as if to say, 'what you want some too?'

4. When the machines get word to hold of taking Zion at the temple, a few of them turn to hear clearly what the instructions are, they go from 8 lights to 1 signaling a standby, they lower themselves and basically sit and wait like trained killer dogs, er something.

5. In the same scene, when Morpheus approaches one of the sentinels, It raises up as if to tell him not to come any closer, for standby doesnt mean I won't rip you a new one.

6. When the hammer busted through, there seems to be a message of fear in the sentinels as they try to flee frantically back into the hole. They really seem scared.

I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO FIND A BETTER SENTIENT MACHINE IN ANY MOVIE, ONE THAT APPEARS SO ALIVE AND THINKING WITH ONLY MOVING TENTACLES, VARIABLE SPEED PINCERS AND MODESTLY VARIABLE YET IMMOBILE LIGHTS.

i can think of a better machine that has none of those features and still portrays menace with only a single unmoving red light

"daisy...daisy..."

the hal9000 from 2001:a space oddesey

Anomoly,

That is actually a GREAT example however Hal is exactly the opposite, unlike the sentinels he has a voice and therefore can tell us explicitly what he thinks or feels. The value that I believe the sentinels hold exclusively is that they do the same without a voice and without the benefit of facial features. HAL and the sentinels may both be without features, but HAL doesnt compare in terms of non-verbal expression and communication. The closest he comes is in the net effects of his controlling the space station, but that would be a real stretch to call that body language.

HAL= VOICE W/O BODY LANG.
SENTINELS= BODY LANG. W/O VOICE
BOTH= LACK FACIAL FEATURES

I hope this clears my point, and as always I welcome your rebuttals and comments

what about the terminatrix in terminator 3?

she expressed anger, fear, curiosity, and excitement.

granted maybe she didnt have as numerous as emotions that were portrayed in the matrix films.

and now that i think about it, it was a pretty good job.

however, they use this kind of symbolizm in movies all the time.

for example, the POWER RANGERS do this all the time. when they have their masks on they raise their arms and use body language to display emotion all the time.

and the argument could be that humans are machines too.

machine -- (any mechanical or electrical device that transmits or modifies energy to perform or assist in the performance of human tasks)

they have the same qualities as machines do, except for the OBVIOUS stuff like being made of metal and stuff like that.

but if you want to say that the fact that the movie didnt convey humans being machines, then even that can be argued.

but without getting off topic, ill agree with you that they did a good job on that stuff.

It's like the old Pixar animation of the adult lamp and the child lamp. No face or voice just movement. But movement is enough to determine a wide range of emotions. I agree that the sentinels were brilliant, but even with all their personality they managed to keep the menace of being mindless, selfless efficient killing machines. The eyes were clever, like the clusters of eyes spiders have and loads of people are scared of spiders.

The part where they swarm in through the dock wall in two big streams is a real 'forget to breathe' moment.

HAL9000- I discussed that one.

The Terminator or Terminatrix, are you kidding, they are androids, specifically designed to look and portray human expressions, the fact that they show a wide range of anything human is pointless because they are humanoid in form

Power Rangers, they show something but thats like comparing a doodle in your notebook to the ceiling of the Cistine Chapel (sorry if I'm butchering the spelling.) Not to mention they have human features to.

My point (and I'll shut up after this), is that if you look at what they are working with in terms of shapes and moving parts, the sentinels are above all else in their displays of thought, reason and even emotion. HAL9000 is the only thing suggested that comes close, and is actually a pretty damn good piece of work in its own right.

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Anomoly, That is actually a GREAT example however Hal is exactly the opposite, unlike the sentinels he has a voice and therefore can tell us explicitly what he thinks or feels. The value that I believe the sentinels hold exclusively is that they do the same without a voice and without the benefit of facial features. HAL and the sentinels may both be without features, but HAL doesnt compare in terms of non-verbal expression and communication. The closest he comes is in the net effects of his controlling the space station, but that would be a real stretch to call that body language. HAL= VOICE W/O BODY LANG. SENTINELS= BODY LANG. W/O VOICE BOTH= LACK FACIAL FEATURES I hope this clears my point, and as always I welcome your rebuttals and comments

point definitly taken...but hal is at his most ominous and disturbing when all we see is the read light signifying that he is constantly watching...especially when the 2 humans are in the pod and have the sound turned off

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Not to mention they have human features to.

so? so do the sentinals.

they have tons of eyes and apendages.

and what even appears to be mouths.

those could be consdiered human like features.

but i see your point though.

persiphone's hot boobies, lets discuss those shall we, not to mention her DSL, (if you don't know, decorum prevents me from elaborating)

now i dont think anyone would disagree with that

except for prudes and guys who are gay.

i think it deserves a separete thread altogether...complete with pictures

by the way...did anybody notice how she seems to be getting turned on by trinity morpheus and seraph kicking ass on the balcony after trinity says "ive had enough of this shit"


it cuts to persephone once and she has a very "turned on" look about her as well as panting...

and that cleavage...mmm...that cleavaaaagggeee

its difficult to type with one hand

hahaha

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it cuts to persephone once and she has a very "turned on" look about her as well as panting...

well as we dont KNOW and can only speculate on this but i think it was like an emotional overload for her.

not being really "turned on" per say.

i just think she might be kind of like dianna troy from star trek. Where she can feel all the emotions of the people around her.

i think it might have been just too much for her. thats all.

and i could be wrong. Its just a hunch. (speculation)

More to topic, in terms of the machines, I think that their aim was to try and be functional and nonhuman. They were born in to a human world and raised there (allthough mistreated), it is possible that they carry on with human like qualities, but try to stay away from this by nature. In all reality though, they do probably look like that just to be cool (just like the sunglasses).

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More to topic, in terms of the machines, I think that their aim was to try and be functional and nonhuman. They were born in to a human world and raised there (allthough mistreated), it is possible that they carry on with human like qualities, but try to stay away from this by nature. In all reality though, they do probably look like that just to be cool (just like the sunglasses).

whoah. thats giving the W-bros. WAYYYY to much credit for designing the creatures.

however it was geoff darrow who came up with the detailed drawings of the creature.. how much involvment did they have in the idea?

im not sure. they might have just said "hey we want somekind of machine like squid that fights the people of zion."

and geoff darrow said "there."

but we dont know.

and i think looking into it any further than that and saying its alot more is probably unlikely.

and the sunglasses proabably the same thing.

although i believe that the whole "wardrobe i.e. the sunglasses" of the matrix was to show the great lifestyle of the matrix and show the contrast to how "bad" it would be to live in the "real world."


they wanted to create a controversy to where people would think "HEY! maybe its not so bad living in the matrix as a SLAVE because there we have food, shelter and stuff like that! and whereas in the real world its all dark and crummy and we live in a cave and have to eat tasty wheat."

they want to send the message that slavery is ok as long as its "justified"
they want to send the message that the "ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS"

Which they NEVER do.

if some of you bought into this sort of "message" then youve be dooped into beliving in "FALSE LOGIC" and faulty propeganda.

Sorry for the late reply, I only just noticed the response.
Raksasha69, I never gave the W.Bros credit for the sentinel design, I used the word "they" as in un-named persons.
Funny, I never got the "slavery is right" message from the trilogy overall, it looked more like they (as in un-named persons) were trying to show two sides of the situation; I'd say that it was far more open ended than what you have suggested.
By the way, Raksasha69, when exactly is propaganda anythin other than faulty?

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Funny, I never got the "slavery is right" message from the trilogy overall, it looked more like they (as in un-named persons) were trying to show two sides of the situation; I'd say that it was far more open ended than what you have suggested

you would think so, but look at the "matrix" -what it is- and look at how its "justified" for the machines to win and put them there. (im talking in the animatrix)
not only that but if you knew the w-bros like i do you would know that they want to send that message. (theres a certain "guy" in the movie who they put on the council who believes in certain things and he has influenced them.)

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By the way, Raksasha69, when exactly is propaganda anythin other than faulty

good question.
i guess propeganda COULD be considered good if your doing it to ease someones pain. (i.e showing happy videos of someones childeren being alive even though you know that they are already dead. and your doing it because that person is about to die anyway.)
but on the OTHER hand, a LIE is a lie. (with the INTENT to deceive) so im gonna have to say its ALWAYS faulty.

The Animatrix episodes you refer to do not justify the machines victory, they help to show that what is happening in the world is actually a war and not just a case of slavery. Considering that after the machines win the world is destroyed and the machines are shown as ugly mechanical monsters (the Sentinels shown in Zero-One look quite peaceful where as in later places (the films) they are much darker and perform much more violent actions). What the series does show is that both sides are wrong, and that they need to form a balance rather than try to eliminate or dominate one another. The weakness is that the final film does not end in a perfect balance; however it does show us a world where we can change the system rather than just fighting one another, in simple terms, "where anything is possible".

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The Animatrix episodes you refer to do not justify the machines victory, they help to show that what is happening in the world is actually a war and not just a case of slavery.

yes it does because it justifies the REASON to GO to the war in the first place. the mere FACT that they WON is IRRELEVANT.
They went to war and put people into slavery and that was their whole REASON to goto war. (they WANTED/needed energy)

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Considering that after the machines win the world is destroyed and the machines are shown as ugly mechanical monsters (the Sentinels shown in Zero-One look quite peaceful where as in later places (the films) they are much darker and perform much more violent actions).

the reason for them looking like "mechanical monsters" was to put the audiance into a "false sence of security" so that you would root for the humans. OTHERWISE in the 3rd film they wouldnt have "emotions" and feelings of "love"

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What the series does show is that both sides are wrong, and that they need to form a balance rather than try to eliminate or dominate one another.

while ill agree that BOTH sides are "partially" wrong the MACHINES are MORE wrong. its like killing germans TODAY for what their ancestors did to the jews.(the nazis)
ITS NOT RIGHT.
the machines were JUSTIFIED in doing what they were doing to the humans (INITIALLY) however they should have imprisoned them "temporarily" until they found a better means of getting power.

PUNISH THE GUILTY and NOT the INNOCENT. (whoah theres a thought!)

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The weakness is that the final film does not end in a perfect balance; however it does show us a world where we can change the system rather than just fighting one another, in simple terms, "where anything is possible

no it doesnt because NOTHING has changed.(except for the DEATH of people, and Machines)
what did they die for? NOTHING. (so that they can have the APPROVAL of freeing peoples minds?)-remember they cant release people without machines dieing. and they wont allow 80% of themselves to be killed off. and ANOTHER war will happen and it will be another ANIMATRIX movie.

so EVERYTHING, the fighting and the war was for NOTHING.
change the system?
NOT AT ALL.
but i DO see how someone could have seen the movies like that, even though they are WRONG.

So both sides wanted to makes a slave of the other race, what exactly does that show? that they were both wrong; and as it was the humans who wrecked the sky in order to kill the machines, I would not call either side "justified".

Some machines are portayed as monsters because that is what they have become. I don't see the problem. Cypher wasn't shown in a nice way either...

A second ago you said the machines were not justified, now you say they were. I never said the machines were innocent, thats why there had to still be a war, iif the machines did the right thing then the war would be over and there would be no films, the whole point is that the two species switched roles. Calling one species "more guilty" is of no value at all.

Things have changed. The humans are not on an equal platform yet, but now they have the opportunity to promote change without resorting to war. It's true that thing can not go back to the way they were before, but that is just the way things are, and now thetwo species have a change to move on.

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So both sides wanted to makes a slave of the other race, what exactly does that show? that they were both wrong; and as it was the humans who wrecked the sky in order to kill the machines, I would not call either side "justified

either side in REALITY was not justified. but they FELT that way. the humans felt justified in "scorching the sky" and the machines felt justified in slaving humanity.

but who was MORE wrong?
it would be the MACHINES for inslaving mankind for TOO long because the humans who were in the matrix LATER ON knew nothing of the sins of EARLIER mankind.

but the MACHINES knew all along what they were doing.

1.the humans put machines to work, then FREED them to ZERO 1.
they seperated them INSTEAD of wiping them out.
(which is what the MACHINES SHOULD have done)
(advantage? Humans)
2. the machines wanted to join humans but the humans knew it would cause to many problems with the people. (ignoratly not really that bad of a crime. (its segregation) while segregation is bad it is NOT as bad as SLAVERY.
(advantage? Humans)
3. the machines where causing mankinds money profits to decrease (which frankly WOULDNT happen) so the humans scorched the sky.
*which btw hurts the HUMANS & the machines* (i.e VITAMIN D and farms/ and ANIMALS)
and the machines didnt nessiarily NEED the humans (they WANTED them)
(advantage? MACHINES)
4. mankind shot nukes at the machines (which did NOTHING exept provide holocost and raidation for mankind)
and the machines STILL fought back for a WANT and not a NEED.
(advantage? MACHINES)
5. Machines won the war and disected mankind and caused more PAIN and suffering.
(advantage? MACHINES)
6. Machines made man pay for his crimes. putting man into slavery.
(advantage? MACHINES)

score? 4-2.
looks to me like the MACHINES are TWICE as evil.

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Some machines are portayed as monsters because that is what they have become. I don't see the problem. Cypher wasn't shown in a nice way either...

so you ADMIT that they have BECOME monsters.

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A second ago you said the machines were not justified, now you say they were. I never said the machines were innocent, thats why there had to still be a war, iif the machines did the right thing then the war would be over and there would be no films, the whole point is that the two species switched roles. Calling one species "more guilty" is of no value at all.

oh so a criminal who steals a loaf of bread is just as EVIL as someone who commits MURDER?
think about that one again.
no value?
whatever.
the machines in REALITY were not justified but the W-bros. wanted you to think that they WERE.
the machines FELT that they were justifed.it doesnt mean in REALITY that they were.
and THATS what my point was.

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Things have changed. The humans are not on an equal platform yet, but now they have the opportunity to promote change without resorting to war. It's true that thing can not go back to the way they were before, but that is just the way things are, and now thetwo species have a change to move on.

they have the OPPORTUNITY? not REALLY
if they are NOT on equal ground and the MACHINES are holding all the cards then they have the CONTROL. and the HUMANS do NOT.
the ONLY way that the humans are going to gain more GROUND is by FORCE/i.e. WAR.
there is NO way that the machines are going to let 80% of their own to die in order to let the humans live free.

and they DONT have to change to move on. because its happened 5 times before. EVERYTHING is the same as it was before neo was even Born.

how long will this peace last? as long as it CAN, and NOT indefinately.
otherwise she would have said something to that effect.

and what do we have if we dont have peace?
we have WAR.

and why would MANKIND fight the machines in another war?
it CERTAILY wouldnt be because man thinks machies are "UGLY"

1. The humans got into a war over machine rights and eventually had to send the machines away. Wow, what hereos, they hid the problem.
2. The humans do not allow a peaceful race into the U.N because they think they can't handle it.
3. The machines engage in business with the humans, and when they are too successful, the humans react with VIOLENCE. They tried to kill off an entire race (according to you, though I think the two incidents were more seperated).
4. The humans react with even MORE VIOLENCE.
5. Machines win the war and put the humans into an unfair slavery.
6. Rehash of #5, which is not fair.

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so you ADMIT that they have BECOME monsters.

YES. I said that straight away. They are represented as monsters so we don't confuse them with peaceful beings. Like dressing a villain in black.

Two species trying to exterminate each other is not the same as the bread/murder example.

The humans are not enemies anymore, they are slaves (and supposebly weaker beings, though that is wrong), but I'd say the right to live is better than being rounded up and slaughtered every hundered years or so. It's not right, but the humans have gained a lot more power, and with Neo's sacrifice, probably a lot more respect.[/quote]

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1. The humans got into a war over machine rights and eventually had to send the machines away. Wow, what hereos, they hid the problem

its BETTER than genocide.
and to think otherwise is stupid.

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2. The humans do not allow a peaceful race into the U.N because they think they can't handle it.

true. which is just another way of saying what i ALREADY said.

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3.The machines engage in business with the humans, and when they are too successful, the humans react with VIOLENCE. They tried to kill off an entire race (according to you, though I think the two incidents were more seperated).

True. but THAT was the REASON. and it was WRONG.
STILL NO reason to ENSLAVE an ENTIRE race for that LONG.
(enslave the GUILTY and NOT the innocent. theres a thought.)

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4. The humans react with even MORE VIOLENCE.

no they dont. the went to a WAR and thats it. they LOST. no more war. there wasnt MORE war after they LOST. (even in the MATRIX movies)

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5. Machines win the war and put the humans into an unfair slavery.

EXACTLY.

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6. Rehash of #5, which is not fair

no its NOT. they didnt have to cutt them up and blow up the white house and stuff like that to "enslave" them they COULD have found ANOTHER way of going about it.
but they DIDNT.
so NO its NOT a rehash.

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Two species trying to exterminate each other is not the same as the bread/murder example.

so the machines were trying to EXTERMINATE mankind?
what a load of crap.
think about that one again.
the machines were trying to ENSLAVE mankind.
humans were trying to exterminate.

genocide may be WORSE than slavery BUT, punish the men who are GUILTY of it and NOT the ones who are NOT.

which is WHY the machines are WORSE.
The humans are not enemies anymore, they are slaves (and supposebly weaker beings, though that is wrong)

yeah WEAKER meaning the machines hold all the cards.

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but I'd say the right to live is better than being rounded up and slaughtered every hundered years or so

so letting someone SUFFER is BETTER? putting someone in CHAINS is BETTER?

so i guess if you were in the civil war and there was no such thing as a cure for a bullet would you wouldnt cutt his leg off?

because its BETTER than living your life with your leg cutt off.
(nevermind he might die from the gang green)
Rediculous.

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It's not right, but the humans have gained a lot more power,

GAINED?
what about the other 5 neo's?
i guess they dont matter to you.
the fact is NOTHING has changed except DEATH.

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and with Neo's sacrifice, probably a lot more respect

yeah the other 5 neo's dying did NOTHING for their respect for man, but THIS one did.
whatever.

Maybe I wasn't clear, I'll try to do a better job:
1. The humans got into a war over machine rights and sent the machines away. (neutral)
2. The humans do not allow a peaceful race into the U.N because the humans can't handle the situation. (humans)
3. The machines engage in peaceful business relations with the humans, and when they are too successful, the humans react with VIOLENCE. They try to kill off an entire race. (humans)
4. The humans react with even MORE VIOLENCE. (humans)
5. Machines win, and commit cruel experiments on humans. (machines)
6. Machines put the humans into slavery. (machines)
I don't like scoreboards, so I won't bother tallying.

I still haven't said that the machines actions are justified, so please stop saying so.
Frankly, if someone lives they still have some choice, if the die, what can they do?
The first 5 Ones did what the Architect wanted, Neo didn't. The first five showed that humanity could be controlled completely by the machines, Neo proved otherwise.

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1. The humans got into a war over machine rights and sent the machines away. (neutral)

thats more AGAINST the "HUMANS" its NOT neutral.

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2. The humans do not allow a peaceful race into the U.N because the humans can't handle the situation. (humans)

thats a REHASH of #1 (hmm now im talking like you)
and its CLOSER to that becuase its PART of "SENDING them away"
or "KEEPING them away"
so thats not fair.
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. The machines engage in peaceful business relations with the humans, and when they are too successful, the humans react with VIOLENCE. They try to kill off an entire race. (humans)

TRUE.

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4. The humans react with even MORE VIOLENCE. (humans

MORE VIOLENCE?
WAR IS WAR. how much more VIOLENT can you get?
you CANT.
3+4 are not rehash there the SAME.

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5. Machines win, and commit cruel experiments on humans. (machines)

TRUE.

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. Machines put the humans into slavery. (machines)

TRUE.
but at FIRST in REALITY (not saying YOU say this its the TRUTH) it IS justified for the humans RESPONSIBLE for genocide.
the people Born LATER should be free.

yeah you wont tally scoreboards when your points are in the favor.
according to YOU the HUMANS are MORE evil.
which isnt so.

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Frankly, if someone lives they still have some choice, if the die, what can they do?

the people who are RESPONSIBLE for genocide dont DESERVE choice.
the people who are NOT responsible for genocide deserve to be FREE.

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The first 5 Ones did what the Architect wanted, Neo didn't. The first five showed that humanity could be controlled completely by the machines, Neo proved otherwise.

oh brother. here we go AGAIN.

you must have not been paying any attetion to any of the earlier posts that OTHER people have been putting up.

well ill let you in on what REALLY happend.

the archetecht KNEW that trinity would die if he picked the door that he picked (did she die?)
YES.
(shes going to die and theres nothing you can do to stop it)
and he even SMILED when he chose the door that he did.
and if he CANT see any choice that he DOENST understand then how did he see her death?
because its all HAPPEND BEFORE. (no one can see past a choice that they dont understand and i mean no one)- the oracle.

if he chose a door that he didnt EXPECT then he wouldnt understand ANYTHING.
*you are here because zion is about to be destroyed*
while this is misleading it is not in fact a LIE.
is NEO there BECAUSE he believes that zion is about to be destroyed?
yes.
did ZION get destoryed?
YES.
just there were a few survivors.
*this will be the 6th time that we have destroyed it*
did it get destroyed?
YES.
In the same way a HOUSE can get destroyed by a fire and the people still walk out and watch it burn to the ground.

*the function of the one is to return to the source allowing a TEMPORARY desimination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program.
Did NEO return to the source?
yes. *the source was NOT the archetects room*
did his code get desminated?
yes. (by smith)
did the prime program of the matrix get reinserted?
yes.
(the orginal matrix was RESTORED)
after which you will be required to select people to "rebuild zion"
-this hasnt happend yet because the film ended after -Desemination- or NEOS death.

failure to comply with this process will kill everyone in the matrix-
this didnt happen because he COMPLIED.
he CHOSE a door.
the others experience this in a general way
your emotion is far more specific
vesavi LOVE.
which brings us to(meaning that he knew what was going to happen next)
where the fundimental flaw is EXPRESSED as both beggining and end.
-in other words right then and there he would see the expression of how everything was going to happen.

BOTH doors ended in the way that the archetect wanted.

the door to your left leads to the "source and the salvation of zion"

what the hell was he going to do there?
the same stupid thing as before.
(murge with SMITH)

the door to your right leads to her and to the end of your species.
-he wasnt referring to "your speces" as the HUMAN race he was referring to the "ONES" or "NEOS"
and who knows if he was then maybe it will end in the matrix online.
we havent seen what happens after DESEMINATION.

dissemination: the act or process of scattering or state of being scattered; usually referring to distribution of information

did his code "scatter" to the other people of the matrix?
to FREE them of agents smiths dominance?
YES.
the door that neo chose was just "expected" and the other door was one that they were "prepared to accept"

Neo didnt prove otherwise.
The machines are STILL in control they STILL hold all the cards.

"What is control?"
"well if we wanted we could smash them to bits."
"thats right thats control isnt it?"

can the machines SMASH humanity?
they sure can.
especailly now that neos probably dead.
are the machines in control?
YES.
NEO proved NOTHING.

the way to control someone is to limit thier choices so that BOTH outcomes are ones that you WANT.
an example?
does GOD control the DEVIL?
YES.
because no matter what happens the outcome will be GOOD.

the movie is flawed BECAUSE of this logic because NEO should have picked a 3rd door or a 3rd option "always another way"-keymaker

either the archetect was lying and machines can lie. *which would mean that the machines god's word means NOTHING and they can kill the humans and break their word anytime they wanted.
(which is not what the w-bros wanted you to believe)
or he was telling the truth, in which case it IS a revolution and he knew what was going to happen because there was nothing he could do to stop it because he was in thier control.
which sucks.
either way neo did NOTHING.


the ONLY person that is in REAL control (in reality) is GOD himself.
he has all the power he is in ultimate control.

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1. The humans got into a war over machine rights and sent the machines away. (neutral)

The machines have their revolution and gain freedom from man's control.

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2. The humans do not allow a peaceful race into the U.N because the humans can't handle the situation. (humans)

The machines try to reconcile with the humans in a peaceful manner, and the humans reject the offer.
By the way, I have admitted that your #5 and #6 were actually different, it was my misinterpretation.

Perhaps #4 could simply be an act of war, but as they clearly included all machines in their range of fire (not just military targets), I consider it to be especially bad (the Machines did the same thing afterwards by conquering humanity, so overall it was pretty awful).

Neo did do as he was expected, but he managed to change the world in his method (or maybe it was the Oracles method); the other 5 supposebly choose the door leading to the source and allowed the system to continue once more, Neo rebelled, but rather than eliminating the Machines, he gave life to both species. Personally I don't like to comment about the other 5 because what they did acheive is not known.

I don't know how you see control, but as each species requires the other, I'd say power is pretty even. When I look at the reaction of the "machine leader" at Zero-One, I am assured theat they needed the humans to co-operate at that time, or both species would be gone. Franky, your view on the ending is fairly narrow, and I suggest that you also look at some other threads.