»When do pod-people make the choice?«

By the choice, I mean, the choice to accept the Matrix program, and live out one's life blissfully unaware, and never feel skeptical about the realness of it all. This is the choice that 99.9% make. The other choice is to not except the program, and to try to get out. That's the 1.1% part.
When does a person MAKE that decision? When he/she's a child? A baby? When they're inserted into the Matrix An adult? Does it just depend? What if someone accepted the Matrix at first, but then later found out that the Matrix wasn't real. This question is briefly touched in this comic: whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com...
Note that a little girl DOES scream in the end of M1 when Agent Smith takes over a man holding a bag of grocceries and shoots at Neo. This is in the market place area. Interesting that THIS was also based on plans of the W. Brothers...

Wow, before anyone responds in here, you need to read that comic. It's, well...interesting to say the least. Personally, I think 'fate' governs the matrix. When I say fate, I mean that the Architect always has something to do with it, not that he's in control, but he does have power to change people's perceptions on things. He alters everything but free will, or choice. So, I believe that as soon as the pods grow, that is when the .1% make the choice to not accept the matrix.

that comic was kool

do you mean the fetus pods (I like to call them husks), or do you mean the regular pods? But what if someone suddenly changed, like from 99.9% to .1%? Like in this comic?
Everyone, just read ALL the comics. They're really good, and they bring up a lot of good points.
Splintey

do you mean the fetus pods (I like to call them husks), or do you mean the regular pods? But what if someone suddenly changed, like from 99.9% to .1%? Like in this comic?
Everyone, just read ALL the comics. They're really good, and they bring up a lot of good points.
Splintey

Ya ive read that comic before, it is cool. I guess it just depends on the person's life, environment, experiences etc. At any given time they could become skeptical. And again its 99% and 1%.

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99% and 1%

It varies between scripts/transcripts. The point is that it is VERY RARE for someone in the Matrix to become skeptical.
What do you think happened to the little girl?

I think the choice is made as soon as the mind of the person in the pod has the ability to think independentally. Then, for thier whole life, they know something is off, they know something is wrong, or they just are "different." They think certain things, or a certain way rather, and i think that they are always asking questions about everything. See what I mean? It's really hard for me to explain, but in my head I get it. So if there's something specific about what I said, just ask so I can clear it up a little more for you.
Anyhoo, What i really want to know (not to drive people off-track) but how is it that people get out without it happening like it did with Neo, where Morpheus came to him? Like us for example, how would we go about getting out? Like, if we don't think that the world seems a little off (I never thought the world was off, but I have always been a big question askerabout how and why the world works) but if I somehow figured it out, (assuming the matrix is real of course) by seeing the films for example, how would I (or anyone for that matter) get out?

Well, Elizabeth, everything comes back to choice. Someone has to get help to get out, from my perception of the movies. As soon as the person in the matrix makes the choice to want to get out, the rebels begin searching for them. But then in the Animatrix, the Kid self-ejects out of the matrix. So, I suppose that it depends on the mind of the one who is being saved. Some need more guidance than others do.

You would be contacted by Neo and the freedom fighters. Duh! No, just kidding. You would be contacted by one of the captains of the ships probably. Have you seen the Animatrix? The detective was eventually contacted by Trinity and she tried to rescue him. Also in the Kid episode, Neo knew that the Kid was looking for him and he helped the Kid escape.

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Like us for example, how would we go about getting out?

Hacking does wonders, my friend. LEARN HOW TO HACK. GO TO HACKER HANG OUTS. THEY WILL CONTACT YOU.

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Also in the Kid episode, Neo knew that the Kid was looking for him and he helped the Kid escape.

Ok, that makes more sense, I wasn't watching it with my full attention. So, you make the choice to leave, and then the rebels detect your choice and help you escape.

In Neo's case he has to choose a right pill to disrupt his signal so his human pod can be located. But, in the kid's case, he made a choice to free himself by "self-substandsiation ", which is very interesting. So I guess pod people can make a choice to be free. I understand the kid was in contact with Neo to question the Matrix and reality. In that episode,he was not given a choice of red/blue pill. I wonder how his pod was located? Could there be another method of locating the pods other than taking the pill ? May they just waited until his body was flushed in the sewer, and then scoop up his body? Any thoughts?
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Trinity: His vitals are good. He's gonna make it. Its unbelievable. I didn't think self-substandsiation was possible.

Neo: Apparently it is.

Popper: Neo

Neo: It's ok. You're safe now.

Popper: I knew... You'd save me.

Neo: I didn't save you kid. You saved yourself.

I understand how he saved himself. But Neo and the crew did help him. He was talking to Neo in the beginning and Neo made the call to warn him about the agents. The crew rescued his real body too. Thats what I meant. But that is an interesting point. He never took the red pill/blue pill decision.

From what I understand, the pill is to locate your position in the sewers after you've been flushed. If the kid did get out on his own, how could the crew find him before he drowns? After all, "these sewers span for hundreds of miles."

perhaps there are far more cases like this comic within the matrix world...

the animatrix story "world record" is another very good example of this...

people who reject the matrix and have no reason too...then again perhaps there are more examples of the animatrix story "beyond" when people are given blatent clues to the artificialness of the world and choose to ignore it

So, what we've come to is that people can reject the matrix whenever they want? But I still want to know, when does the One get the code? Honestly, I think it's when he is first grown in the pods or when he is first hooked up his pod, not later in life.

"your life is the remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix"

the anomaly code he carries must ALWAYS be inside the matrix...this is why i believe he was able to get into the trainstation without being jacked in

even when eno is jacked out...his anomaly code is still contained within the matrix...without it the matrix could not function...and equally as dangerous for the matrix is having a duplicate anomaly code as in smith and his overtaking the matrix which left unchecked would also cause a system collapse...just as neo would if the anomaly code was not periodically disseminated in the source

the code is inserted into another after neo just as it was inserted into neo after his direct predecessor

i believe the code is inserted into a new born baby

we see from the screens behind neo during the architect speech in reloaded what is presumably neos entire life

what i cant work out is this

for neo to find out about the matrix...he presumably stumbled across it during his hacking escapades

so how were the programmes to ensure that neo found out about the matrix so that he would "find" morpheus etc

or did neo start to be a hacker only after he initially heard of the matrix and hacking was a way to find out more

this is a question that morpheus asked neo

"do you believe in fate neo"

if one of my theories is correct then it would appear that the machines did have an influence in at least neos life and perhaps others too(as in what people "become" in the matrix with regards to careers etc)

if the other theory is correct the n it would appear that they only influenced neo in order so that he may return to the source...meaning hhe was being controlled from day 1 of his life

the end

The line "Do you believe in fate Neo?" really proves that the machines were in control of Neo's life. They must have made him think that certain things in everyday life were kinda kinky, and that made him wonder (or did the machines make him wonder?) if there was something that he wasn't understanding. Then, he has his computer constantly searching for Morpheus, every article ever written about him. Maybe he was seeing what would become of him if he kept hacking like he did, who really knows. But I do know that there is an answer to this....somewhere.

Quickly back to what i said earlier, my question is HOW do youreject he program? And with the hacker thing Splintey- If I knew of any hacker hang-outs, I would totally go to them.

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Quickly back to what i said earlier, my question is HOW do youreject he program?

Denial! It's not just a river in Egypt anymore!

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I knew of any hacker hang-outs, I would totally go to them.

Same. Although I don't think that they would be discussing when the people in the Matrix reject or accept the program. That actually would be QUITE entertaining.

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But I still want to know, when does the One get the code? Honestly, I think it's when he is first grown in the pods or when he is first hooked up his pod, not later in life.

"The one" code is not hooked up at birth, but given to a selected candidate later in life. It is morpheus' purpose to find "candidates" for "the one" role. Remember the waiting area in the Oracle's apartment, there are many other candidates for "the one" role. Spoon kid was one of the candidate, however Neo eventually got the role. The oracle then proceed to inspect Neo's mouth , and then evaluate if he's "the one" or not. After inspection, the oracle said " Sorry kiddo. You got the gift, but it looks like you're waiting for something."

This leads me to believe the Oracle selects the most gifted candidate that has the most potential to be "the one". She then keeps feeding "the one" program code(s) via a cookie or candy to that selected individual. Their is obviously something in the cookies she gives.

Here, take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it, you'll feel right as rain- Oracle

The one prophecy is false hope and lies told to human, which was encouraged by the oracle. The oracle is a program and part of the matrix, so in essence the machine has control over the Oracle. The oracle played a game, a dangerous game, so she selects the right player to fullfill "the one" role for the game that she is playing.

Architect: You've played a very dangerous game.
Oracle: Change always is.

Ok, I see where you are coming from, but I disagree with just about everything you said.

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"The one" code is not hooked up at birth, but given to a selected candidate later in life.

How can the system function without the anomoly? There needs to always be a One inside the matrix, from what I've learned before this.

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Remember the waiting area in the Oracle's apartment, there are many other candidates for "the one" role. Spoon kid was one of the candidate, however Neo eventually got the role.

There isn't a "role" to be assigned by a program, but to be assigned by the system. Sati isn't at the Oracle's apartment to be the next one, the Oracle is just watching over the "kids", because they are programs without a purpose. Plus, the Oracle says,"I'll get one of my kids to fix [the vase]" after Neo breaks it. She didn't say "the other candidates."

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The oracle then proceed to inspect Neo's mouth , and then evaluate if he's "the one" or not. After inspection, the oracle said " Sorry kiddo. You got the gift, but it looks like you're waiting for something."

I think the Oracle does this just to freak Neo out. And you notice that Neo answers her question. HE says,"I'm not the One," and THEN the Oracle proceeds to say,"Sorry kiddo. You got the gift, but it looks like you're waiting for something." I think she's telling him that he needs to KNOW he's the one, because obviously he doubts himself here.

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This leads me to believe the Oracle selects the most gifted candidates that has the most potential. She then keeps feeding "the one" program code(s) via a cookie or candy to that selected individual.

Again, the SYSTEM selects the One, not the Oracle. The code is always with Neo, it doesn't need to be fed to him. Plus, the food is just a program, not a code. Therefore, I believe that the One code is inserted as soon as the One is hooked up to his pod, or born in the matrix.

Emilee, You have a choice to believe or not. No one is forcing you to believe my theory. But explain to me why you think "the one" code is implanted in the begining during the feotus stage of the humans in the pod and not later in life. Heck, may you even convince me. I'm all ears...

I think you can not accept this theory from the basis that you believe "the one" is an anomaly. By the way, What is your definition of anomly? Please explain to me what an anomaly is.

I agree 100% with what Emilee says except for two corrections. I dont think the kids are programs without purpose. I always thought they are just inhabitants of the Matrix who have achieved some level of control against the matrix system. That kinda explains people with those sorta powers in our `real world'. They are for some reason being trained for some kind of mental maturity before they are unplugged from the matrix. Maybe because they are kids they need to wait a little before they can be unplugged.