»The all mighty Architect? What the-?«

Why does everyone suddenly think that the Architect plays God or something? Sure, he created the Matrix, but that does not mean that:
1. He made programs, he controls programs
2. That he is not a program himself (his form could be a kind of....alter-ego for a powerful machine that is plugged in or something)
3. He is God in the Matrix (let's not try to get into the religion here, people. I mean that he is similar: everyone seems to think that he is the all-controling, that he makes the sun rise and the sun set, and that if we little puny-minded humans don't understand something, it MUST be because the Architect was involved)

So where does this come from? Please explain, because random theories that everything must be the work of the Architect are popping up, and I have NO IDEA where they are coming from.

Splintey

The architect created the matrix and, if i remember correctly, when the oracle is saying that the architect has his head up his arse and can't see past any choice, she says that Smith is the opposite equation to neo to balance him out. I'm pretty sure that she says that the architect made Smith an opposite side of the equation to Neo or at least hints at it.

I'm still not certain that the architect and the machine god aren't the same person, but I'm presuming for now that they are different.

From what I have gathered, the machines created the architect because they needed a prison for the human's minds, and he was just the man (program really) for the job. The Architect doesn't MAKE the equations, he only BALANCES them. Oh, and the Architect and the machine god are TOTALLY different.

Well he wasn't just put there to run the matrix after it was already made. He designed it himself - he says so. I'll agree that he might not be in control of anything outside the matrix like the sentinels mind you.

But everyone always thinks he's so GODLIKE. It's annoying. That's why I'm trying to find out the evidence they have for it.

Yeah, I was just bouncing ideas for the Machine God thing. But I don't think he existed before the first Matrix was made. There wasn't a Matrix or a simulation or anything for him to exist IN. And how could the machines design something to make a Matrix when they themselves didn't have the intelligence to figure it out? It doesn't make SENSE.

Sorry so late in posting guys. Ya I think hes different from the machine god. Hes a program who created the Matrix. He is God in a religious sense cause he created the Matrix. He isnt the god of the entire universe. Just symbolically the God of the Matrix if you look at it in a Christian viewpoint. There are other views in the Hindu viewpoint, let me know if you would like to know.

In gnostic christianity God is good, but the creator of the world is not God and only thinks he is. In fact he did not create everything even though he thinks he did.

However, the creator of the world (or the demiurge) is a sort of God but not the main one.

People have come up with REDICULOUS ideas (in my oppinion) about how the Architect rules over the agents, or the Architect controls the code-sticking-on-people-to-make-them-Ones. WHERE DOES IT ALL COME FROM? *feels what's left of mental sanity collapse*

I think people think that he MAKES the equations, wheras the SYSTEM makes the equations. His only purpose is to balance them.

that's what I think. And I think he confuses the hell out of Neo and makes him unsure of the Oracle. THAT'S IT.

I think so as well. I mean I think I think so. Wait....im thinking.

Even the meravingion can structure code. He makes the cake, remember?

The architect gives Smith his power to balance the Neo's equation. The oracle says so.

The architect designed the matrix so he existed before the matrix.

He is one of the more important programs that run the matrix since he was responsible for setting it up in the first place.

Am I wrong?

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Wait....im thinking.

What, is this something new?

No, Fatty, I don't think your wrong. My point here is that he doesn't have godlike powers. He just balances equations/confuses the hell out of all the Ones. He isn't the controller, he's a control. HE IS NOT A GOD OF THE MATRIX. He doesn't control anything but EQUATIONS.

What does he have to do in order to be God of the matrix?

God is said to be all powerful and all knowing (and all good but we'll forget that one). He can do anything with the equations in the matrix and he knows everything that is happening in the matrix
- what more do you want?

I don't know, I think AG and I are right. He's not a God. He doesn't control anyone. See ^

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But everyone always thinks he's so GODLIKE. It's annoying. That's why I'm trying to find out the evidence they have for it.

consider the Trainman's spiel in the Train Station, right before he strikes down Neo.

"I built this place. Down here I make the rules. Down here I make the threats. Down here, I'm God"

if the Trainman has absolute control and power in a place that he made, why wouldn't the Architect have that kind of power in a place that he made, the Matrix itself?

hmm, good point. But that doesn't mean that the Agents are his lakies or something. Control HOW?

The agents are his lackeys! They're idiots. They dont know anything. they're pawns of his. They do all the dirty work. They're clueless. They'll listen to whatever the system will tell them. They'll do whatever the system wants them to.

Where's the proof of that? Agent Smith obviously knew what was going on. That's why he hated the Matrix so much.

the architect is god in the sense that as god created the earth(if you believe in that sort of thing)the architect created the matrix.

im not trying to say that the architect controls everything just as no-one says that god controls everything in real life.

he is simply one explanation of symbolism in the matrix...

the only problem with that symbolism is that the architect in the matrix was obviouslt created by another more powerful programme...this begs the question as to what is the equivalent of the architectsa creator in christianity?

this is why the matrix films cannot be explained by using one kind of religous context as it quite clearly uses symbolism from many different sources...some of which explain the architect from a different perspective

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the architect is god in the sense that as god created the earth(if you believe in that sort of thing)the architect created the matrix.

Sorry about the ferocity. I'm extremely skeptical on the whole Christian/Jewish/Muslim bibles. Like, for example, if God is neither Man or Woman, why is the Bible SEXIST? Don't answer that, that's not the point.

But yeah, in his domain (which would be those doors, I think), I can see him being somewhat similar to a ruler. But I don't think he's the ruler of the Matrix. AG has this theory that the Matrix is parallel to the white doors (which is why Link couldn't find Neo, the Keymaker, and Morpheus). I think that, if this is possible, then he's the god of the white doors. But I don't understand why he would let Seraph in there since he hates the Oracle so much (and Seraph works for the Oracle).

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im not trying to say that the architect controls everything just as no-one says that god controls everything in real life.

The lackies bother me. The agents are there to stop the rebels from causing trouble or saving people. THAT'S IT! They're not lackies, they're not spies, and it's really annoying when people SOMEHOW connect the two. THERE'S NOT EVEN ANY PROOF!

No one still has answered my question: There wasn't a Matrix or a simulation or anything for him to exist IN. And how could the machines design something to make a Matrix when they themselves didn't have the intelligence to figure it out?

< And it's rediculous how people come up with these STUPID theories when there is no proof at all from the movies. How can a theory exist if there's no proof. It's like saying pigs can fly even though they are not arrowdinamically designed and it's just so dumb and why do they try and...

No. You got me wrong. I didnt say the the backdoors run parallel to the Matrix and that the Architect is the ruler there.

The backdoors are just programmers access doors. They are part of the Matrix but are just deeply encrypted as Seraph explains. Thats why the opearators cant read that code. They are a shortcut to get from one place of the Matrix to another. The Keymaker holds most of the keys for it. Thats why the Merovingian had captured him. To have access to that type of power. Other people like Seraph have them as well. I dont think Agents can get there. But the new Smith can. I suppose thats one of his new powers. Not only does he do it in Reloaded, but twice more in Enter the Matrix. Thats what makes me say that.

The Architect? I said that him and his domain (his room) run parallel to the Matrix. Not really inside it. The only reason that the Architect is considered God is because he is a creator figure like God. God created the universe and Architect created the Matrix. THATS IT! Forget about the rest, Splintey.

And as for your original question: hmm thats a good question, I really dont know. I dont know much programming but if any of you do then can you tell me if there is a software that can create an OS or help you create it. If so what is it? That would be the equivalent of the Architect.

Interesting, I remember someone came up with a idea explaining characters like the architect an others were sentinel like machines connected into the matrix not programs. This sounds logical because I dont remember the architect ever saying he was a program but I may be wrong, anyway hes probly a powerful machine no doubt in the machine city whos connected to the matrix kinda like the machine in the animatrix matriculated episode. His digital self if you will is that of the wise old all knowing architect. Anyway thats just what I think as for him being god I dont think he is, maybe in the sence that he created the matrix but he certainly comes by as a manipulator. But if you wanna get religious the merovingain had his club in revolutions named the hel night club, he also was wearing alot of red, sounds to me like he was the "devil" ive heard other ppl say he is aswell but its just a theory as are most things.

The concept of "god" is just a way for us to understand a being that is all knowing, all seeing, all good, all (insert whatever definition of what a god is/does here). If people compare the architecht to god, they're simply using a "temporary construct" to explain something that is beyond their grasp. Simple as that...a way to define something. Everyone's going to have their own way of defining things. If your definition differs, no big whoop. I have an understanding of what the architecht is supposed to be, but I wouldn't clasify him as godlike. The point is, I understand what the architecht is ABOUT. I don't know specifics, as none of us do, but I do know what he's ABOUT. "Look at that machine over there...it has something to do with recycling our water supply. I have absolutely no idea how it works. I do, however, understand the reason for it to work."

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No one still has answered my question: There wasn't a Matrix or a simulation or anything for him to exist IN. And how could the machines design something to make a Matrix when they themselves didn't have the intelligence to figure it out? [/size]

i will have to fundamentally disagree with you here

to say that there was no where for the architect to exist before the matrix was built is wrong

as mentioned in the second renaisannce...the A.I that the humans built and designed went on to design better more powerful A.I...all the architect programme would have needed to exist was a computer...the matrix simply gives him a way to project his own residual self image...the same as the humans...

the architect can be looked upon as what his name sake suggests...an architect in the sense that he designed the matrix hardware and probably some of its software...he most likely designed the physical appearance of the big towers and wires etc and maybe even the "type of fusion" that the machines utilise for efficiency

he certainly didnt physically build the matrix...but may have even designed the machines needed for that purpose