»The Other Matrix(s)«

Ok, I believe that all of the other Matrix(s) are the same, in the way that Morpheus is the one to get Neo out of the matrix, Trinity is the one who falls in love with him, and pretty much everything is the same, including how these people looked and the time they all happened. But from what a lot of you are saying, you believe that the other matrix(s) were completely different. How can you think this?

Thats what I thought once upon a time though. But think about this. The freed humans- Morpheus, Trinity, Cypher, all Zion people are out of the system. They have limited lifespans. Lets assume that the 5th Matrix was 75 years long. At the 75th year, The One (not Neo) made the choice in the Architect's room to return to the Source and reload the Matrix. Zion is then destroyed. If Morpheus and Trinity were alive then, they would be killed. Also, this 6th version of the Matrix is about 100 years long. At this 100th year, Neo is freed by the other rebels- Morpheus and company. They cant be more than 100 years old, can they?

So all the other The Ones and all the other rebels and the inhabitants of Zion were different people who are long dead. The cycle repeats because the other ones chose that door.

Any other questions?

That was too long. More basic answer:

The Matrix is several hundred years old.
Humans cant live that long.

So...then how does Zion still exist in every version? OR wait...it did exist in every version, but so did many other cities, and then those got killed off by the machines and zion is the last one left after the six previous matrixs?
OH! I see where I was wrong! I thought that when Neo reloaded the matrix, it restarted ALL time, and it only restarts the MATRIX TIME! Is that right? But then how long does each matrix last, which is another question I have.

Yes....good, I was waiting for you to ask that. First of all, there are no other cities that we know of. Zion is the last city. It is deep down in the ground. It is where the 1% who do not accept the Matrix live. They are all the rebels. Second, the reload doesnt reload TIME. It reloads the system. The system would have crashed because of the bug or flaw or anomaly (w/e you call it). This reload makes the system more secure and just starts the whole programming all over again. As for TIME, the Matrix has just repeated the year 1999 for humans for however long the matrix has lasted. Not the events of the year but just the feel and environment itself.

A history of Zion:
The 3rd matrix was the one where choice was first implemented. thats when 99% chose matrix and 1% chose real world. That 1% were allowed to go to the city Zion. When the time comes to reload, the machines kill off all Zion inhabitants. To rebuild Zion, the One chooses 23 people and extracts them from the Matrix and tells them the truth ("In the beginning, there was a man inside the Matrix who could change what he wanted [The One]. It was he who awakened the first of us [23 people] and told us the truth. After his death, the Oracle prophesized his return [the next version of the One]"). These 23 rebuild Zion and as the years fly by, new inhabitants keep coming until the time for reload occurs again. Then Zion is destroyed again and the cycle repeats. As you can see, the `cycle' is not only reloading of the Matrix, but creation and destruction of Zion as well. This is the 6th cycle. So Zion is created by those 23. But what about the 1st creation of Zion? Before the 3rd version, there were no 23. I think that the machines probably built the first Zion. No wonder they know where to dig for it. Splintey, Im waiting for you to prove me wrong. LOL.

How long does each Matrix last? Well we simply dont know for sure. We know that this 6th Matrix has lasted about 100 years. The others may have lasted the same time or maybe a bit less. Splintey and I talked about this. I'll give you a link to the post.

Alright, I see where you are coming from, but I just don't think it's possible to make 250,000 people in 100 years from 23 original people. It just doesn't add up.

Yes. Good point. No, 23 people dont all reproduce to make 250,000 people. Most of those people have been freed from the Matrix. Remember? All those people with holes in their bodies have been freed from the Matrix. the ones that dont have holes are native born in Zion.

You've stepped through the edge of the looking glass, Emmy. Good, good. Now we can FINALLY end some of those pointless arguments.

I agree with everything you guys have been discussing except:
where did you get the 100 years? I've looked, but I can't see where you've gotten that from...unless you mean the Neb being 100 years old. That wouldn't work because there might be ships older than the neb build, and we just don't know. Besides, Zion has got a lot of history and accomplishment for a city with only 100 years of existance. They've gotten a lot accomplished, compared to COUNTRIES (although Zion DOES seem a lot like a country, doesn't it?) who'd existed much longer, and gotten much less done. Not that it's ancient, but I think it's longer than one hundred years.

1. They have a form of government. That's NO small task. With so many people, it takes a LOT of arguing with people like Commander Lock to get everything done.

2. They have jobs. Operators, army commmanders, councilers, not to mention collectors (see whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com...).

3. They carved cities out of caves and rocks and homes out of metal. That, even for people with a much more advanced technology is pretty impressive.

4. They have an incredible archive.

5. They've scrounged clothes (in the very beginning), made the goop, and even had time to make bread! (see whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com...)

Now let's add your time-frame to that. 100 years. Well, let's just say that to me, it sounds like the Zionites were extreme overachievers.

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Splintey, Im waiting for you to prove me wrong.

Oops! Sorry, there's my cue! HERE I COME, TO PROVE AKSHAT GUPTA WRONG! *theme song plays noisily in the background*

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When the time comes to reload, the machines kill off all Zion inhabitants.

Yeah, I don't know if that's exactly planned out by the Machines and the Architect (who is the programer, a program, or IS programmed? His he the controller, a control, or controlled? ), or if it just happens.
Possible theories for this question (the machines and the architect one)
1. They collaborate
2. As the path of the One deepens, and more people are freed, the Machines get more edgy, and then attack. (remember what morpheus said? "Consider that in the past 6 months we have freed more minds than in 6 years.")
3. What I think, which is that, like the rythemic pattern of the Ones, the machines also have a pattern of destroying Zion

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After his death, the Oracle prophesized his return [the next version of the One]"). These 23 rebuild Zion and as the years fly by, new inhabitants keep coming until the time for reload occurs again. Then Zion is destroyed again and the cycle repeats.

That's really, really, REALLY good. I think you've got that one perfectly. (my banana minion)
This also explains why the Oracle is not necessarily lying when the Architect reveals the 6 ones and stuff.

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But what about the 1st creation of Zion? Before the 3rd version, there were no 23.

Good point, but I don't think that the machines would build a city for their enemies (also because it has a very earthy feeling to it, and the machines like neat, square, lines, green. Has anyone noticed that that's what it's like in the Matrix besides me?), even if the Architect explained the 1% acting up and being flawed and having no where to go to them a million times. But I don't know WHO did it. UNLESS....OF COURSE! What if in the 2nd Matrix, when they figured all of that 1% rebel stuff out, the 1st One occured?
Akshat Gupta, I'm waiting for you to prove me wrong.

Alright, you guys are totally changing my perception of the matrix, which I'm having trouble letting go, but you guys have so much proof that I just have to believe what you say. Not an easy task, so good job!

Here's where I get the one hundred years from. Ok, I believe (and I know you'll tell me if I'm wrong, Splinty) that Morpheus was one of the first 23 to be freed, because he states in the first movie, "It was he who freed the first of us." So, Morpheus gives his pathetic speach in fron of Zion in Reloaded (not too inspirational in my opinion), and states that "for one hundred years, we have fought their armies" and blah blah blah. But, if he wasn't one of the first one's freed, this theory can go down the toilet. So, help me out guys!

Hhahaha. Youre a funny guy Splintey. Ignore my random comments towards you please. As for 100 years, as Emilee said, I got this from Morpehus' speech. He says, `For 100 years, we have faught these machines'. This only means that this Zion and Matrix are 100 years old, not necessarily all the others. As for the 1st creation of Zion, I guess we wont really know, but Im gonna stick with the `machines made it' theory.

A response to Emilee: No, Morpheus wasn't one of the first to be freed. The 23 who were the first to be freed were freed 100 years ago. That would mean that Morpehus is over 100 years old. When he said, `he freed the first of us', by `us' he meant the resistance.

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Alright, you guys are totally changing my perception of the matrix, which I'm having trouble letting go, but you guys have so much proof that I just have to believe what you say. Not an easy task, so good job!

It is SO much fun to hear that. You've learned well, young grasshopper. But don't worry, you have made a lot of good points yourself.

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Here's where I get the one hundred years from. Ok, I believe (and I know you'll tell me if I'm wrong, Splinty) that Morpheus was one of the first 23 to be freed, because he states in the first movie, "It was he who freed the first of us." So, Morpheus gives his pathetic speach in fron of Zion in Reloaded (not too inspirational in my opinion), and states that "for one hundred years, we have fought their armies" and blah blah blah. But, if he wasn't one of the first one's freed, this theory can go down the toilet. So, help me out guys!

Yeah, I agree with AG. By 'us,' he means the zionites, not us as in WE as in the Neb crew. You've made a good point with the Morpheus-speech, but I still don't think it is 100 years old literally because of all I've stated above, and plus, what if they left them in peace before that. Because if they started fighting on the first day of the city being a city, well, let's just say I don't think that the humans would be standing under a humongus pile of Squiddies laughing victoriously.

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Hhahaha. Youre a funny guy Splintey.

Thank ya. I had fun with that.

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Ignore my random comments towards you please.

No, I won't I ignore your random comments. Random is good, and besides, I have way too much fun replying to them.

May I throw my 2 pennies in the ring?

Splintey wrote:

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I agree with everything you guys have been discussing except: where did you get the 100 years? I've looked, but I can't see where you've gotten that from...unless you mean the Neb being 100 years old. That wouldn't work because there might be ships older than the neb build, and we just don't know. Besides, Zion has got a lot of history and accomplishment for a city with only 100 years of existance. They've gotten a lot accomplished, compared to COUNTRIES (although Zion DOES seem a lot like a country, doesn't it?) who'd existed much longer, and gotten much less done. Not that it's ancient, but I think it's longer than one hundred years.

Well this is where I will start what I have to say. NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT THE OTHER MATRICES with the exception of NEO.... Remember the statment he makes in the archetechs room "Either they didn't tell me or they don't know" so we have to go on the assumtion that they didn't know or anyone that did didn't tell Morpheous. So when Morpheous talks about the man born inside the matrix he is speaking of this matrix not any previous because this one is the only version he knows of.

Now to tackle that 100year itch

Morpheous only says that they have been fighting the war for 100 years... that dosen't mention the time it would actually take to mount the forces to put up a defense... that alone could take a few centuries considering the Machines can pop out sentienles like detroit makes chevy's only on an exponitialy greater scale. Then you have to figure the time it would take for 23 people to create all the people that were in the rave scene.... now last time I checked human gestation was 9 months so you adverage a year between kids and since humans don't have litters you kind of stuck to 1 at a time (with the ocasional mutiple births) then it takes another 12 to 13 years before the newborns reach child bearing years so to me 100,000 (and thats a very low count) in 100 years while it could be possible is very very unlikely.

Theres my two lincons.

Morpheous only says that they have been fighting the war for 100 years... that dosen't mention the time it would actually take to mount the forces to put up a defense... that alone could take a few centuries considering the Machines can pop out sentienles like detroit makes chevy's only on an exponitialy greater scale. Then you have to figure the time it would take for 23 people to create all the people that were in the rave scene.... now last time I checked human gestation was 9 months so you adverage a year between kids and since humans don't have litters you kind of stuck to 1 at a time (with the ocasional mutiple births) then it takes another 12 to 13 years before the newborns reach child bearing years so to me 100,000 (and thats a very low count) in 100 years while it could be possible is very very unlikely.
Exactly. That's what I said. So (I think) we agree.

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last time I checked human gestation was 9 months

Last time you CHECKED? Have you been keeping tabs on this topic?