»Free Your Biased Opinion… M3 Was Bad.«

IMO, The Matrix was the greatest movie ever. Reloaded although it wasn’t perfect, it was a good sequel that brought up some serious thought provoking questions. After Reloaded I spent 6 months of restless nights researching the Internet for matrix related documents, studying the religious overtones such as Buddhism and Gnosticism. Also studying all types of philosophy, mythology, mathematics, and basically everything that Reloaded brought to the table. I learned a lot and somewhat felt like I matured after Reloaded (and I am grateful). And for some, Reloaded raised Revolutions’ expectations to another level and all serious matrix fans waited for Revolutions as if we were waiting for an appearance from God himself.

This is hard for me to write this but this is just how I honestly feel. With the exception of it action scenes, Revolutions was basically a horrible movie from beginning to end and by all means no way to conclude any trilogy (I’ve explained my reasons why in other forums). When I first saw Revolutions I told everyone how much I loved it, but deep down inside I knew it was bad. I used to make up excuses for things that happened in Rev and said that it couldn’t have been any other way. But then I realized that I became a slave to my own favoritism.

All I’m saying to hardcore fanboys is don’t be a victim to your own bias opinions. One thing I’ve learned from the matrix was to see beyond the control. Be your own person, question things and don’t accept something just because it is. Just because it’s a matrix product doesn’t mean that it’s always gonna be greatest thing on the planet. I know everyone is entitled to there own opinions but when people embrace something that is so blatantly disappointing it reminds me of… “People that are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it”. Get my point?

same here only i didnt bother defending that steaming pile of crap...

Revolutions was just as bad as the first two were awesome!

You hit the nail on the head.

There are two many things for me to list as to why it was horrible, but here are my main problems with it:

1. The first two movies set me up to the thinking that Neo could do anything he set his mind to, but he let the Trainman beat him with one punch and basically was a looser the whole movie.

2. The Machines are still in control. At anytime they can change their mind and return to thier good ole days. They have their Master Operating System that everyone calls the "Machine God", (how could he be that when he could not defeat Smith), and the humans are left with a few sniviling weaklings.

3. After 5 times of killing hundreds of thousands, make that 6 times, the machine leader gets off scott free. Where is the justice in that?

4. Humans are still batteries/slaves. Maybe they are willing slaves, but seems to me the W-bros are acting like bigots that are saying that slavery in the South was OK for those who wanted it.

By-the-way the "Source" that the W-bros were talking about in the movie must have meant the same as the "heart" of the Machine world and was not really referring to the "Source Code."

To be technically correct, the source code is dormant algorithims and uncompiled language that has no control of a computer or other programs. It is the Operating System that is the true Master or Manager of other programs and dictates what other "machines" or periphials that those programs can use. I knew that much before I got my B.S. degree in computers / Information Technology. The CPU is also really a dumb chip, whose job is to do two things, Fetch an instruction and execute it!

It is the O.S. that is the Brains of a Computer system. It is the O.S. that became self-aware and then commanded the Architect to design other programs including the VR program called the Matrix. At least that is what would be technically correct.

If that isn't the way it was intended in the movie, then that is yet another flaw!

The "Source".... I sure hope the W-bros meant the "heart" of Machine city when they used the word source and I hope they didn't mean "Source-Code" because I am already so disappointed.

I'm so sorry that you hated Revolutions so much, I really don't understand why.
As you can see from my post count I was here(and elsewhere) for months asking, searching, in fact almost being driven to distraction by the constant hum in my head.
I went to see Revolutions and I bloody loved it!(seen it 3 times at the cinema)
Nothing mind-boggling, nothing complicated, just an excellent end to an amazing trilogy. It helped me to understand.
I think that those who loved it and those that hated it will be debating till the cows come home! I for one can't fault the trilogy in any way, shape or form.

See my post in "True Matrix Revolutions Explained...." about the Forces of Good, (Choice and Freedom), against the forces of Evil, (Force and Causality).

The W-bros are saying Causality, (which is their religion), is the winner and that it was a good thing.

alot of people expect and demand the same formulaic mould of the typical hollywood blockbuster...

the w brothers shoulb be commended that they attempted to create a film that had no definite ending that everyone can agree on...

the problem with creating such a story is that very few people have the time or the desire that many of us have in trying to find its meaning

perhaps we are a sad bunch but perhaps we just dont want to see another boring fucking gladiator movie or good guys always win movie...

the problem the brothers had is that the others w brothers(warner) probably had some say in order to garner gauranteed revenue to re-coop the huge investment thay put in...

i enjoyed the film and the trilogy immensely and realise the only way to enjoy them is in context of all the other matrix information and stories contained in the animatrix and enter the matrix...this itself was a flaw as many people will have seen neither of those,not to mention never read the matrix comics ...

what i dont understand is why someone would register to a matrix forum and spend thier time posting when they dont even like the film...

attention seeking?
actually liked the movie but just enjoy winding people up?
didny "get" the film and its meaning

who cares?

not me

What? you say? doesnt make sence?
read my previous post. i dont want to explain why the third matrix movie sucks.

If people who even liked the film agree with things that are clearly stupid about the movie and still like it.

Somethings definately wrong with that.

One could argue that the rest of the movie makes up for the stupid things in it right?

Wrong.

The reason why i liked the first 2 movies is because it had very little things that were bad in the movie.

Granted, the first 2 movies arent perfect either.
(using a computer generated charachter in bullet time is just a really bad idea)
(having that rave scene that just didnt need to be there "even if to show the symbolism of unity between the people of zion." still could have done without)
and there are many others.

The first 2 movies have things that are new and no one has really seen in movies before.
-an example (jurassic park dinosaurs) in the first jurassic park everyone was stunned at how realistic they looked, which is why everyone loved the first one and didnt really care for the 2 sequals. (look at how much money they made if you dont believe me)

And as for how much money the 3rd matrix movie made?
Holy crap.

If you want to judge how good a movie was based on how much money they made at the box office?
(which is a pretty good depiction BTW- and most people do)
Look at how much money the 3rd film LOST.

Yes thats right. LOST.

I could go all day showing the opinions and the Facts (I.e. the money it made) on why the movie is a heaping pile of dung.

The only REAL reason why people like the 3rd movie is because it is THE MATRIX. It is the same reason why most people like star wars episode 1 even though they know deep down it wasnt a very good film.
Because it was Star Wars.

Some people just refuse to accept the fact that something so great could have anything to do with something so bad.

How do i know this?
Because im one of them.

Ive seen the film multiple times (for free btw) just to get a handle on it, maybe to see something in it that would tell me that it really doesnt suck so bad.
Guess what. It does. And im sad.

Some people like the fact that you dont know what is going on, and its up to us to figure out our own depiction of the meaning.

These people are wrong because the W brothers have a message to send out.
(how do i know?)
Watch the matrix revisted.
Laurence fishburne, Carrie anne moss, and even Neo himself all said that the movies are sending a "message" there is a purpose.
It is clear that the movies are saying something.
It sends the message that you can control (someone else's) choice and there is nothing that the other person can do.
If it is your destiny to go out and be the next hitler because your father beat you, then there is nothing you can do to stop it. It is choice vs enevitability, choice loses.

If you even research the views about the W brothers you will find the truth.
The truth that they believe in Causality.
And there is NOTHING that can be argued against writers INTENT.
What did the writers of the Matrix trilogy INTEND.
Not what people can read into it.
Not what REALLY can happen, or what SHOULD be.
But what message they intended to portray from the movies.

"Youre right smith, you were always right. It was enevitable."
And dont tell me it was the charachter saying it so that he could trick agent smith. (symbolising control his choice) Because everything else in the 3 movies including that statement point the other way.


Just read this post after you read this.
matrix-explained.com...
And to answer the question of why people who hated the 3rd movie are on this forum?

Well duh.

Because, as the first 2 people clearly stated.. CLEARLY that they loved the first 2.

When you become enthralled in the first 2 movies and get so dissapointed about how the 3rd one ended then people naturally like to vent their frustration.

As a matter of fact, if I liked all 3 movies i wouldnt even be posting.

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what i dont understand is why someone would register to a matrix forum and spend thier time posting when they dont even like the film...

As Raksasha69 said:

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When you become enthralled in the first 2 movies and get so dissapointed about how the 3rd one ended then people naturally like to vent their frustration. As a matter of fact, if I liked all 3 movies i wouldnt even be posting.

And that is exactly how I feel. I loved the first two so much that I need to vent about how bad the third one is, maybe someone will be able to tell the w-bros and then "they" will "get it."

Thanks for listening.

They say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

While this statment is true people take it too literally.

Everyone can universally agree that (for what is accepted as attractive for that society at the time) Pamela Anderson is attractive. Some may say other people are MORE attractive than she is, but VERY few people will say that she is a pig and her face looks like vomit. *They can say it but they would be lying to themself*

The same thing could be said about taste in movies.

John mirra

This guy knows what hes talking about.
He likes MAX PAYNE 2 and DISLIKES the 3rd matrix movie.
You have good taste.

You based your name off of MAX PAYNE 2

What a great game

SUPERFUN.

Even the song is good.

I liked M3.

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I liked M3.

Well there are some people who actually liked "The giant spider invasion (1975)"

To each his own. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Was it a perfect movie for you? No flaws? Nothing in it you didn't like?

You liked Trinity getting killed?

You liked the machines winning?

The overwhelming consus of the critics didn't like M3 and it actually lost money at the box office.

I wanted to like it really bad, because I loved M1 and M2 more than any two movies I had ever seen, but the w-bros did about everything in their power to screw it up. Or as one critic on a movie critic site....

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Was it a perfect movie for you? No flaws? Nothing in it you didn't like? You liked Trinity getting killed? You liked the machines winning?

No flaws? You gotta be kidding... all movies have their flaws. If i said I liked it doesn't mean its the perfekt movie....

Well then in M2 Trinity almost got killed... she might get shot by the Agent. If she doesn't get shot then she'd probably fall to her death cuz she can't really fly like Neo.

If Trinity doesn't die in the third movie and gets 'brought back from the brink of death' once again I'd be reallly pissed at that. Neo brought her back once, and thats enough... not again =P

The Machines didn't win... no one won... the Machines could've won but then Neo did his thing and they had this peace am I not right? So to me no one really won.

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"I'm warning you: don't see this film--because whatever third movie you envisioned in your head, no matter how lame, has got to be better than this." -- Widgett Walls, NEEDCOFFEE.COM

That is the lamest comment made by a movie critic I've ever heard.[/quote]

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The Machines didn't win... no one won

Lets examine who really won.

If the humans won, then there would be no people in pods being used as batteries. If the humans won or even tied then the humans would have a counter balance to the "Machine God" but they don't.

If the machines kill all the humans they can not win because who would power them as batteries?

For the machines to win, they must still be able to use humans as batteries, they must not loose their position of dominance by being able to "let" some humans free, unless they are lying. Can the Machines lie? Ther were if they telling a false prophecy? Can they lie? Yes!

So who won? Is it really a tie if the humans must still submit to the will of the machines? Some humans are free at the pleasure of the machines. They can revoke it whenever they want and they will be able to really dominate without the one being around anymore.

to me its all just a tie....

the 'free' humans KNOW that the machines will have no other sort of power excepet from the people still plugged into the matrix. They can't send a person up to 01 up front to deus ex machina and say "I want u to free all humans from the matrix"... thats not reasonable

In a 'balance' for a 'tie'... the machines have agreed that they will allow human to free themselves from the matrix... not free themselves dunno just ... become FREE.

now this gives the peopel in the matrix a big advantage... you get to CHOOSE. those who want to be freed u are freed. those who don't wanna be freed and like the matrix as it is, you can stay and go on with normal life.

see? everyones happy!

the machines still have their source of power, Zion is not attacked, and the people that are still plugged into the matrix have a choice they can make!

The humans can't leave the matrix without first choosing to. Pulling them out without their consent you would kill them. As a result the best the machines could ever offer is to allow anyone to leave who wants to.

Now anyone who wants to leave will be allowed to and more importantly anyone who has already left will be allowed to live in peace.

i totally agree with fatpie

So to those black people in the South who liked being a slave made it O.K. to perpetuate that fraud under the guise of choice, (it being their choice?)

Slavery is wrong period. Even if some choose it.

The mcahines will surely be faced with a problem. As more and more pod people choose freedom, more and more machines must be deleted or die. At what point will the machines say...."enough?"

What if the old 80 - 20 rule comes into play, and 80 percent of the pod people want to be free? Will the machines still allow it? Don't they have the "hammer" or power to decide man's fate?

I don't believe that 80 percent of the people still plugged in would wanna leave.

Look at Zion... it (at least to me) is definately not the good place to live... the clothing is all ripped and nothing seems to be maintained... materials to build things seem to be nothing but scrap... the place is dark gloomy and the atmosphere in the area kinda sucks.

well maybe some people would wanna live that life... but there are MANY people that wanna live their own comfortable lives in the Matrix. THings in the Matrix aren't so bad...

it is 'human' to want a comfortable life

Prison is a nice place for some, but how many would give up the security of prison for freedom?

I for one would rather be free than live in a drunken stupor all my life. Give me the red pill of reality instead of the drug pill of make believe.

I think Morpheus, Trinity, Neo and the others were considered intelligent and that most people when given the choice would rather be free in a place where they can improve their lot in life than live in a handout world where they are giving up their freedom for a bowl of pottage.

JMHO.

okay fine then =P i'm considered not intelligent

well yeh at least they've got something close to tastee wheat

I think that the main message that the w-bros were trying to send, was to lesson the signifiance of freedom, and in that it appears they have succeded because you have been smart enough to see the real delimma.

Freedom vs Causality.

People in prison have the ultimate security, they don't ever have to worry about their next meal, they will never be fired and if they worry about their safety then they get themselves thrown in solitary confinment, the untimate place of security and the ultimate loss of freedom.

well tru... i see your point. =P ur rite about that

just that i do'nt think that the machines will have to worry about having no power.

I good thing would be to REALLY make peace with machines, machines allow people from Zion to return to the surface, somehow cooperate with machiens to clean up the whole sky, get some sunlight, and if lots of people REALLY are going to exit the matrix at least the machines have some light to look at.

Then we could kinda 'start over again', back to the time when 'it was good'.

Humans may also have to think of giving the Machines some respect after all that stuff they've gone through, and realize that machines aren't just stupid robot sticks that walk around and work under humans.

Machines are more capable than that

I would totally agree with that!

You got it. That should have been the way the third one ended!

Wow, we are really on the same page here!

I would have loved M3 then!