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[Matrix 1] Mouse: "The woman in the red dress. I designed her. She, um...well she doesn't talk very much, but...but if you'd like to meet her, I can arrange a much more personalized meeting." Switch: "Digital pimp, hard at work."
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Raksasha69
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So many posts, I must be correct!
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Quote: | | i think Matrix Revolutions was the best of the three |
Yeah. I loved it too.
What a GREAT defence against why it doesnt suck!
Im ASTOUNDED!
I guess im just wrong.
Im gonna go ahead and LOVE the movie from now on.
What the hell was i thinking?
I just love being kicked in the nuts.
I love eating a big pile of crap and sucking on the corn.
I think the penuts are the best part of the crap.
And i love watching my hero get the crap beat out of him.
I love watching my hero's love of his life die.
I love seeing nothing new in the 3rd movie.
I love it when i get my bones broken.
I love it when i eat glass and it cuts my mouth.
-these are statements made by someone with BAD TASTE-
But it doesnt make the MAJORITY of the population wrong. (look at how much money the film LOST
and goto
Quote: | It succeeds only in diminishing its predecessors' legacy, and turning a cinematic landmark into nothing more than business as usual. What a waste."
-- Rob Vaux, FLIPSIDE MOVIE EMPORIUM |
One could say that if there was a voting pool out that depicts what the Majority of the population thought of the movie then how much money it made at the box office would be a pretty good indicator.
The votes have been tallied, the people have spoken.
The people have decided The Matrix revolution sucks.
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Fatpie42
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Another Smith poster!
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First of all I thought m4jor p41n's post summed up what I think perfectly. Humans started the war and they needed a human to end it. The machines just don't want to die (like BI66ER in the animatrix).
As for those 5 problems:
1. The Merovingian is not explained at all! Why not. In Reloaded he says to Neo "Mark my words boy We will Meet AGAIN!" When does this happen?
The Meravingion never says that. He says "Mark my words boy and mark them well. I have survived your predecessors and I shall survive you!"
Well looks like he was absolutely right!
2. What the hell happened to the other humans within the Matrix after Smith 'died'?
In the case of the Oracle, Seraph and Sati they simply got up and sat on a bench somewhere. I think the idea is that Smith dies and not the people he posessed.
3 What happens to Neo in the end. Why have this Phone Booth controversy at all?
I don't have a phone booth controversy. The only reason we know Neo is alive at the end of 3 is because the Oracle tells us. That's quite enough proof for me. The phone booth is set at the end of matrix 1 and there isn't much doubt about that.
4 Why did the death scene of every character become oversentimental. Trinity takes hours to die. That guy pretty much tells his life story to the Kid before he dies.
Um have you watched Return Of The King? Several death scenes that last forever with characters who you don't know well enough to care about. Quite frankly after spending a whole three movies with Trinity I was quite moved by her death scene. The king of Rohan, on the other hand, was quite beyond my sympathies.
5 Why have the Rave scene in the second film at all? Why Why Why?
Because it was cool and stylish. Many ideas in the matrix are taken from other places, but what makes the matrix special is the stylish way that it is done. Sorry you didn't like that scene, but you've got to admit it IS original.
"And Die hard? that movie is great- at least the first one was. The running over glass, the fact the the good guy WON! The fact that ALL the villains clearly died. There wasnt a compromise, he didnt say, he'y if you let all the people free (people of the matrix) and i give you the money that you want (battery fuel) then ill let you live and you can walk away with your money."
No instead we get a typical hollywood ending where the bad guys are pure evil and the good guy is invincible. I know Matrix Reloaded looked like it was heading for a supreme good defeating supreme evil, but that wasn't how it worked in the end was it? The architect is walking around at the end and doesn't seem affected by anything that has happened. This is what is GOOD about the movie - it gives you an ending that is original.
If you don't like originlity then you won't like the ending of Revolutions.
What is BAD about the movie is the awful dialogue. The people of Zion deserved to get wiped out. They make me sick. They said the most annoying cliches ever and not in a cool way either. (The Darkness are a cliche of a band, but they do it in a stylish way so they get away with it )
I'm glad that gunner with Zee got blown up. "you keep rollin' and i'll keep shootin'" *bleurrrrgh!*
"Man that woman can drive" - give me a break.
"but I never completed the training program" "neither did i" (yeah right, like the leader of zion's army didn't complete the training program - for goodness sake!)
Oh and one more thing - there was not enough kung fu!
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"I am more than man, more than life! I am a GOD!"
Skeletor
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Raksasha69
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So many posts, I must be correct!
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Quote: | The Meravingion never says that. He says "Mark my words boy and mark them well. I have survived your predecessors and I shall survive you!"
Well looks like he was absolutely right! |
-Yes your right. But HOW exactly does that explain who he is?"
Quote: | | In the case of the Oracle, Seraph and Sati they simply got up and sat on a bench somewhere. I think the idea is that Smith dies and not the people he posessed. |
Thats right you THINK the idea. You dont KNOW. but your right. it wouldnt make sence if they died- cause again the machines need the humans to survive.
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I don't have a phone booth controversy. The only reason we know Neo is alive at the end of 3 is because the Oracle tells us. That's quite enough proof for me. The phone booth is set at the end of matrix 1 and there isn't much doubt about that. |
Yes thats right she says "NEO IS STILL ALIVE." -whats that? she DOESNT say that?
no, AGAIN. She SUSPECTS it. -go watch the movie again if you have to but that is what she says im 100% positive of that.
I could say I SUSPECT that the 3rd matrix movie SUCKS!
But you're gonna say im wrong.
Quote: | | Um have you watched Return Of The King? Several death scenes that last forever with characters who you don't know well enough to care about. Quite frankly after spending a whole three movies with Trinity I was quite moved by her death scene. The king of Rohan, on the other hand, was quite beyond my sympathies. |
i agree about the Return of the King, but what i think he was getting at is that if people are gonna like the movie anyways (and they will, seemingly no matter what happens) then why kill off Trinity anyway? Even YOU yourself just typed that you were moved by her death scene. Granted moved is a broad statement. And the King of Rohan dying? I coundnt possibly care any less about either.
Quote: | | No instead we get a typical hollywood ending where the bad guys are pure evil and the good guy is invincible. |
funny you should say that. there were alot of reviews -www.rottentomatoes.com- that say that the reason why they didnt like the 3rd film was because it WAS a typical hollywood ending.
I didnt really think it was very typical either but some people did.
Quote: | | Because it was cool and stylish. Many ideas in the matrix are taken from other places, but what makes the matrix special is the stylish way that it is done. Sorry you didn't like that scene, but you've got to admit it IS original. |
I for one LOVED the second matrix and STILL hated that scene. Reloaded is my Favorite movie EVER! and i STILL hated that scene. Maybe hate is to expressive for it. I just thought it was NEEDLESS. Any scene that takes away from the budget that isnt needed takes away money from something that could have been made better. (i.e. making Neo look more real in the fight scene with the multiple smiths)
An african dance ritual original? please. Im not about to spout the hundreds of movies that have something similar in them. So? there jumping up and down smashing their feet against the ground. -ever watch National Geographic?- i dont want to be reminded of this when im watching an action movie. Most script editors-at least the good ones- when the go into a meeting about flaws in the script would have taken that out. Why? because it served no purpose in furthering the storyline. (with the exception of showing the unity of the people of zion and their culture) which btw you could have gathered from the other scenes.
You know what i can be origional too? i can go to the bathroom and stick my head in the toilet. I will then cover my head with feces and wrap toilet paper around my body. I will then walk outside in the rain so that the crap will run down into the paper. I will then dance and smash my feet on the ground- It will be the most origional dance EVER.
-you see? just because something is origional doest mean it is ANY good.-
Conversly, if the movie ended where the machines Killed all the people of Zion, Neo CLEARLY dies and so does the all the Machines because smith takes them over. -This would also be considered origional-
And i would have liked it better.
Why? because there wouldnt be so many questions unanswered. Also more people wouldnt have expected that.-and if anything that would have been MORE origional. Its not to often where the bad guy CLEARLY wins over the good and TOTALLY wipes them out.
-Originality doesnt automatically make a film great.
Quote: | I'm glad that gunner with Zee got blown up. "you keep rollin' and i'll keep shootin'" *bleurrrrgh!*
"Man that woman can drive" - give me a break.
"but I never completed the training program" "neither did i" (yeah right, like the leader of zion's army didn't complete the training program - for goodness sake!)
Oh and one more thing - there was not enough kung fu! |
You know what, i didnt mind that too much. that didnt bother me at all come to think of it. Except for the "Man that woman can drive" where EVERYONE in the theatre laughed at- except me.
Not enough kung fu? Holy crap. no kidding. I loved all of it in the 2nd one. it was so Awesome when he fought all those guys with those swords and stuff.
Quote: | | but what you've just posted seems like EVERYONE should follow your thinking... that M3 'sucked' |
Most people DO follow my thinking that it sucked. and im just here to understand why.
But opinions are like a holes everyone has them.
- and as for ME LIKEING something that others DONT like? well if i hear enough valid points about why those things suck, then i will agree with them and rethink my position.
If their points are valid, and true then i WILL change my mind, always have and always will.
I cant count how many times ive seen a movie a 2nd time and go- "what the hell was i thinking? this movie SUCKS!"
And i guess i have to accept the fact people like things JUST to like them and for No other reason.
I Know a couple of people like that where you ask them why they like a movie and they HONESTLY answer "i dont know, i just like it."
For me however, for every movie i see i could write essays about why i liked or didnt like a movie.
Its hard for me to relate to people like that. Thats all.
The only reason im even here is beacause my favorite movies have become tarnished at the end. My hopes and dreams of a good ending crushed by the beliefs of the Wachoski brothers.
Ive seen the best movie turn into the one of the worst and it greatly saddens me.
MATRIX 1 and 2 are the greatest movies EVER!
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Aswin
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Sales, Sales, Sales!
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Bleeding newbie poster
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I read somewhere that in the '80s fans of the star wars series swore off the films because of all the merchandising that Lucas indulged in. Heck even now the Star Wars Universe is being taken further with games like Jedi Knight and Knights of the Old republic. And perhaps these games do add to the experience of Star Wars.
But i suspect that this will happen to the Matrix as well. In my frank opinion they shouldn't have made any movie after the original. It was just too damn good. Anyway, as i was saying, the Matrix Online is just another tired example of Hollywood trying to capitalise on an artistic endeavour. The game may have added something to the experience had the third film not destroyed the prospects of the Matrix.
I really think that someone should remake the Matrix or if not remake then make a fourth part. But not the Wachowskis. Don't get me wrong I loved the first movie and was shocked by the number of obscure references in the second movie but their third enterprise showed me that these guys succumbed to a traditional movie ending. The villain gets his and the hero 'dies' and becomes immortal in the hearts and minds of his friends.
I'm pretty sure that soon i'll turn on the TV and see an Ad for the Matrix Television Series or Cartoon or something like that. They've done it with every other franchise so why not with this one. So in the end i expect Hollywood to rape this at heart philosophical movie and turn irt into an action packed schlick-flick.
And i apologise about misqouting the Merovingian . But u guys did get what i meant.
For all my rantings on why the movie bit i must admit that these movies did give us a hell of a long ride on the forums and i for one enjoyed every bit of it. The only question that remains is: Is the ride over yet?
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I am losing interest in the Matrix series
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Raksasha69
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So many posts, I must be correct!
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Quote: | wow cuz the majority of the people there say drugs is good then i think i should 're think' my opinions on drugs and say
"hey drugs are GOOD!" |
You know a GREAT way to fight an argument is to COMPLETELY IGNORE a good ARGUEMENT and come up with something that is FULL of UNSOUND REASONING.
YOU IGNORED MY POST-[quote] Quote: | | If their points are valid, and true then i WILL change my mind, always have and always will. |
If your gonna argue a point about a post READ IT FIRST.
IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DRUGS the points that are BAD WAY out weigh the good. If DRUGS all of a sudden had NO side effects, didnt result in death and so on and made everyone great, like losing weight, made people buff and so on with NO SIDE EFFECTS. Then YES! Drugs would be great!
But the truth is DRUGS are bad. The public has DECIDED that drugs are BAD and the MAJORITY of the public thinks so
EVER HEAR OF DRUGS BEING ILLEGAL?- Because people have voted and the MAJORITY of the people have decided that the BAD points outweigh the good. *good being something like being an escape and feeling good.*
The reason why the MATRIX3 is BAD is because of the same reason. The bad things OUTWEIGH the good. I see the good in the third film, but there is wayyy too much things that are BAD in the movie for me to RATIONALIZE (thats what people are doing) that it was Good.
Read a post correctly THEN come up with a VALID arguement.
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Raksasha69
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So many posts, I must be correct!
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Quote: | - The APUs (tho they coulda gotten some sorta protection for the operator, and the way they had to reload was kinda stupid but o well)
- The Ending (peace)
- how neo had to sacrifice himself to destroy his negative
- Battle for Zion
- the way the movie maintains a good connection throughout.
- trinity's death (not that i'm saying neo should be happy about that, but then neo borught trin back in reloaded. if they did that again then i would noe like M3) |
(THE APU'S) you came up with 2 good sound reasons why you DIDNT like them.
(the ending) Im not going there- you know how i feel about that. *that is if you read my other posts*
(how Neo had to sacrifice himself to destroy his negative)
That was pretty cool. Ill agree with that. But he died for nothing. The machines still hold all the cards.
(battle for ZION?) Did you see the same movie that I did? The people of Zion LOST. they needed NEO to save them, meanwhile they are huddled into a corner with those stupid guns.
-if you watched the animatrix, they had reprogrammed some of the machines to fight with the people of Zion against the other machines. (that was a GREAT IDEA) if they had MORE machines other than the squids and the drill it wouldnt have been so BORING.
They had repetetive squids, and the drill. the humans had the mechs and the guns, and thats all. BOTH of which you see in the 2nd film.
Where are all the soda can missiles comeing out of the mechs (like in robotech) where is the cool stuff like that?
Special effects should involve new and interesting stuff (like jurassic park 1) Otherwise youre gonna have a result (like jurassic park 2+3) where everyone is USED to the computer generated dinosaurs and it is NO LONGER a shocking greatness as it appeared to be in the first film.
(the way the movie maintains a good connection?)
I think i understand what you mean by this.
If you mean that you like it because its THE MATRIX and its connected to the other 2 and it shows things like (the archetects screens in the first film) and things like (the hindew guy in the second film) then YES i agree with you.
That was actually pretty cool.
-But that alone isnt enough.-
Trinity's death? you LIKED the fact that the Heros girlfriend died?
well, your 14 so maybe you dont yet understand the connection between a man and a woman so maybe you werent as pissed of as i was.
I agree that however if Trinity HAS to die in the 3rd film DONT bring her back. That would be just predictable and stupid as all get out.
The point is though, dont kill her at all. (the wachowski brothers want you to believe however, that her death was needed becasue her Purpose was over. That somehow she was no longer needed in the story.)
I disagree, if they were more creative then they could have fit her in, and extended her purpose. (like needing her to create offspring and have babies with neo for future "the ones.")
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