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Question for hungarian kid: So you think that Smith took over the Architect? Why do you think he would do that? Do you have any base for this?

Just want to get a better idea of what you are saying.

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Question for hungarian kid: So you think that Smith took over the Architect? Why do you think he would do that? Do you have any base for this

I did find it strange that in the end of M3 we see the Architect walking out from apparently nowhere to come and talk to the Oracle. I'm not sure if it was significant, but it seemed a strange place for him to turn up.

I agree with you Azarn, I was just throwing out a possibility of why Neo was so good.

Smith took the Architect because he could go through any door way as you see him in the white hall way (some one refresh my memory to what it was called) & Smith acting like a virus took every program including the Architect in the Matrix.

Its called the programmer's backdoors. But remember, only the One can open the door into the Architect's chamber. Or so we are told.

Don't forget, apart of Neo overrided apart of Smith, so theoretically Smith should be able to go through it aswell.

Thats a good point. But where would he get the key from? The keymaker gave Neo the key to get there but then he died.

Did you not see Smith going through all those doors with out using keys? He obviously doesn't need one.

Smith can access those doors in the hallway, but he can't access the door which leads to the architect room. If he could, how come smith didn't pursue Neo after he has reached the architect 's room?

If he can access architect room then he can get out of the matrix and leave the zoo thats he's in. So I think if he could , he would had done it long time ago. But he can't

How do you know theres not a program with the ability to do it, he could just use that programs ability after he assimilated them. Its a hard question to prove or answer but I'm pretty sure he assimilated the Architect. I mean, they fear that eventually he'd be able to take over the real world, he's not limited theoretically.

If you remember, when a program's function is no longer needed they are suppose to return to the source, for deletion. To get there each program must have a method of getting to the source. I have no idea if the path Neo took to the Architects chaimber was the only way there. Perhaps, all programs can get to the source some other way, and the source has a path which leads to the Architects chaimber.

However, this theory doesn't work, if Smith did reach the source, he would have the ability to infact all of the machines in the real world.

However, I do think all the humans inside The Matrix did die with Smtih. Simply because only the programs exsisted after Smith's destruction. Ofcourse the reasoning for this, is that the machines had made plans incase Neo did choose the door to the left, and Te Matrix did crash. They had a new batch of kids ready and waiting to repopulate The Matrix. I must also say.. that would have a been a nasty scene... Those billions of human corpses all being dumped out of their pods, then gathered up and grinded down into food for the next generation.

hungarian kid wrote:

I agree with you Azarn, I was just throwing out a possibility of why Neo was so good. Smith took the Architect because he could go through any door way as you see him in the white hall way (some one refresh my memory to what it was called) & Smith acting like a virus took every program including the Architect in the Matrix.

The keymaker said in ETm that the door could be used only once. And we see that the building in wich the Architecte's door is, has been destroyed. So much for joining the Architecte after that

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Smith can access those doors in the hallway, but he can't access the door which leads to the architect room. If he could, how come smith didn't pursue Neo after he has reached the architect 's room? If he can access architect room then he can get out of the matrix and leave the zoo thats he's in. So I think if he could , he would had done it long time ago. But he can't

Smith could not open the door without blowing all the building, remember ? And if he does that, Smith would have been exposed to the authorities, wich he does not want before he becomes all mighty in the matrix. He was affraid of falling into a trap, you see that with his dialogue with the Oracle, he's affraid of her and he has the same reaction when Neo accepts to give up.... he says "it's a trick!". He's simply affraid of making a fatal mistake because he knows that every reloading worked till now.

Indeed, if you kill one Smith, all the other die (that's what happens basically when Deus ex load a program in Neo's mind, creating a chain reaction that kills all the other Smiths). So, if Smith exposes himself too soon, he would become an easy target.

Intereseting theory. At least, it explains the contradictory attitude of Smith. He seems to know everything but does not kill the keymaker to prevent Neo from going to the Architecte.

Nice Idea, I'll think about it to see if there is any contradiction .
But what do you mean by "being exposed" ?

Oh it'ss just a real mess...
You must be able to get all the movie in multidimensional speaking...

The end of neo is strangely equal to the end of smith... when Smith dies Neo dies... once both are fully connected the anomaly creshes and there is a system failure...

At the same time it's normal to see the explosion of pleasure of the girl connected very well to the system failure...

The trivia is just to cut teh movie in many more little sequences and find the connection between all...

In this case if neo born or dies is irrelevant... it's only important to undertstand the logic...

to my dear friends I am the only one that found secret of life and I wamt to make you a question...

Why?

5 / 0 = Anti5

Anti5 / 0 = 5

The equation is:

Number : Antinumber = 1 : 0

I found this here you are some more things to play with!

Good point Maze. I do still think Smith took over the architect though. I mean the architect could've left that room for a number of reasons. Like he tried to stabilise the now completely unstabilised Matrix. I'll reply later when I'm more awake and can come up with a more plausible reason.

lairbox2 if you had watched the movies, which you claim to have done then you will that "The One" duz not know he his the one until the time is ready for him to become aware of the anomly inside of him. Remember The One is still some what controlled. Sorry lairbox2 you can't be " The One".

I was very interested in the hole theory of Smith, Neo and the Architect, I think that Smith did not absorb the Architect because he could not have reached him. Because Smith did not have the key to the Door. Also another reason why he colud not have absorbed the Architect, is the he could not have known which door was the right one. Only The One could have known that.

But in saying that Smith did not really have to know which door lead to The Architect, nor did he need a key, like hungarian kid and that which we see in Enter The Matrix, is that Smith does not need a key to get around in the Programmers Backdoor Hallway. So theorecticly it is possible that Smith could get to the Architect.

But if Smith did get to the Architect and absorb him what is the purpose for it? Why do it? And If he did is that why we saw the Architect inside the Matrix at the end of M3?

[quote]Keymaker: Once the door is unprotected, the connection will be severed. But another connection must first be made.
Ghost: How long will that take?
Keymaker: Exactly 314 seconds.
Soren: Just over 5 minutes.
Keymaker: That is the length and breadth of the window. Only The One can open the door, and only during that window can the door be opened.[/quote]

This effectively proves that Smith could not have entered the Architect's Chamber at the time even though he had access to the hallways.

However, I would have really liked to have seen Smith find someway to take over the Architect and do so.

Another thing I would have liked to see is after the final scene between the Oracle and the Architect. I would have liked to see the Architect `teleport' away to his chamber. Or some time of power surge in the matrix, similar to the reloading cat scene, to show that the Architect has jumped the train from the matrix to his chamber program.