»Did all the Ones make peace?«

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Architect: Just how long do you think this peace is going to last? Oracle: As long as it can.

Although it doesn't say "this time," it makes me wonder:
Did all the Ones make peace, but were destroyed, along with Zion, when war broke out once again? The truce was probably pretty uneasy.

no.

all of the previous Ones chose the right door and destroyed Zion.

Neo's different reaction was largely due to the Oracle's machinations (if you'll excuse the pun).

Thats right splintey. The other ones chose the door back to the Source so they could (ahem) `save zion' (ya right). This is the first time the door to the matrix has been chosen and the first time a peace has been achieved.

BTW, I saw another post of yours splintey. Do you know what the Source is?

Which one was it? Nope. No idea. I kind of have an inkling that it might possibly be the Machine City from all of Neo's dialoge before they have a long argument about him taking ships. What do you think?
A very cheerful Splintey! (now THERE'S a first!) (^_^)

Ok, dude I can definitely say that the Architect's room isnt the Source. He himself says that this door will lead back into the Source.

I think the Source is the Machine God. He is the biggest most powerful machine entity (probably). The programs, when they complete purpose, return to him. It is to him that Neo is to go if he chose to reload the Matrix. So at the end, when Neo died, we see him return to the Source. We see him being led away to the Source. He inserts his code back into the Source (even though he is dead) and thats how the Matrix is reloaded. Thats how we see a new Matrix at the end of the Movie.

No, no no! I said the MACHINE CITY!, not the Architect's room. You didn't read my post correctly. I don't think your's is exactly correct because the source is a PLACE, not a BEING. Is he the ruler, though?

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I think the Source is the Machine God. He is the biggest most powerful machine entity (probably). The programs, when they complete purpose, return to him. It is to him that Neo is to go if he chose to reload the Matrix. So at the end, when Neo died, we see him return to the Source. We see him being led away to the Source. He inserts his code back into the Source (even though he is dead) and thats how the Matrix is reloaded. Thats how we see a new Matrix at the end of the Movie.

That doesn't work for me. The matrix survived. That's why Sati woke up with the De Ja Vu cat and stuff. Don't you think that she would be in a different place if the Matrix was reloaded? Wouldn't all the people suddenly find themselves in their beds, supposidly dreaming about what they were doing before the Matrix was reloaded? That didn't HAPPEN, though, so it must have not been reloaded. And where did you even SEE the code being inserted? I only saw it once, which might explain something, but I DEFINATELY don't remember seeing THAT.

Ok, I probably didn't say this correctly. I wasn't meaning to say that YOU said that the Architect's room was the Source. I'm just trying to refute that arguement because several other people think so.

Moving on....there is no definitive proof that the Machine God is the Source but I do believe it is. There's nothin else I can say about that.

As for the reloading. Yes the Matrix did definitely get reloaded. Lets start from the top. We're sure that the humans DID NOT get unplugged and everyone was free and they come to the surface and shit. I can see that you know that DID NOT happen too.

Well this is what I think- Neo's code is inserted back into the Source so that the Matrix is reloaded cause the other Matrix was whacked up cause of Smith. Thats why the deja vu cat appears. And you dont see humans yet. You see only programs- Oracle, Architect, Seraph and Sati. The explanation for this is that the system just resetted and wants to be secure before letting humans in. Its like when you start your computer, all programs dont start working at once. A few programs at there at first and make sure the system is safe before you can continue. And the Oracle says that we might see Neo again. This means that the peace wont last and that the anomoly will return to maintain the balance. How can the anomoly return in the same version of the Matrix? It had to be reloaded.

Mind you, I'm not saying that the Matrix was destroyed or did not survive. I know it did survive. But I'm positive that its a newer, more stable version of the Matrix.

My apologies for misinterpretation.

We sure have a lot of misinterpretations, don't we, AG?
I like that theory a lot, and it makes a lot of sense. The part about not letting the humans in yet: a lot like Goliath! De Ja Vu!

I don't think that the peace won't last. I think that the anomaly will not be continued. I can't really explain why, but I think that Neo's coming was kind of like....Nysa. A new beginning. A new NEW beginning, because all of the Ones were supposed to make a new beginning, but Neo makes a new beginning OF a new beginning. If that makes ANY sense at all.

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That doesn't work for me. The matrix survived. That's why Sati woke up with the De Ja Vu cat and stuff. Don't you think that she would be in a different place if the Matrix was reloaded? Wouldn't all the people suddenly find themselves in their beds, supposidly dreaming about what they were doing before the Matrix was reloaded? That didn't HAPPEN, though, so it must have not been reloaded.

i think that everyone except surviving Exiles would wake up in their beds (or where ever).

Sati is an exile and not connected to or controlled by the Matrix.

that's true. But when did Neo actually go to the source? WHERE THE HELL IS THE SOURCE! I remember AG saying that it was the Machine God, and I think it's the Machine City, but where is it ACTUALLY?

I think it's in the machine city because of this:

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Oracle: ...and when it does, a program can either choose to hide here, or return to The Source. Neo: The machine mainframe? Oracle: Yes. Where you must go. Where the Where the path of The One ends. You've seen it, in your dreams, haven't you? The door made of light?

This fits my theory because that door was supposed to lead to the Machine City.

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Oracle: The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from. Neo: Where? Oracle: The Source. That's what you felt when you touched those Sentinels. But you weren't ready for it. You should be dead, but apparently you weren't ready for that, either.

This fits my theory because the sentinels CAME from the Machine City

And then he goes to the Source. The City. Somewhere in the Reloaded/Revolutions Transcript, the Oracle says something like:

...back to the Source. Where the path of the One ends.

Neo dies in the Machine City. Therefore, that's where the path of the one ends. Sorry, But I can't find the REAL quote, but I know that it's THERE.

Right....thats it...i forgot that piece of evidence.
The Oracle says that the Source is the Machine Mainframe. Now that Machine God thingy definitely seems to be the machine `mainframe'.
I think the door was supposed to lead to the mainframe itself.

As for Neo touching the Sentinels and connecting to the Source- the Sentinels are directly connected to the Source. They come from the Source. So in essence when Neo touched them- he `felt' the Source.

Now the anomoly- the connection between Hinduism and these movies has taught me one thing- the cycle of birth and death. It will continue on forever. Everything that has a beginning has an end. But after that end, a new beginning will start. I believe that the anomoly will reappear when the peace needs to be achieved again.

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But after that end, a new beginning will start. I believe that the anomoly will reappear when the peace needs to be achieved again.

Yeah, but maybe, if an anomaly DOES appear again, it will have a different task and path than Neo does. He will try to KEEP the piece, not make it.

So...do you agree with me or not? I can't really tell if your arguing with me, so I can't argue back.

Whoa. Just checked this topic. Really old. Ya Splinty we agree on this topic. As usual. Keep the peace, maintain the peace- same thing. We wont really know for sure wat the situation will be, but we have an inkling of what the anomaly will do.

good. Well, I think that just about wraps it up. If anyone has something to argue about, I would suggest now.