»The oracles eyes...«

It's obvious to me that the eyes of the oracle represent user/password of the specific program.
When telling trinity to get the eyes he knows what difficult task this is because you can't just get them by hacking:
"you can't take them...they can only be given to you"...

what do you think about that idea ?

...I'm sorry... what's the point?
I missd it!

schari wrote:

It's obvious to me that the eyes of the oracle represent user/password of the specific program. When telling trinity to get the eyes he knows what difficult task this is because you can't just get them by hacking: "you can't take them...they can only be given to you"... what do you think about that idea ?

It makes sense looking at it like that, I never understood that line until now.

@tris

i ment that the Merovingian wants Trinity to get username and password of the oracle's program because he can't simply take it by force

Oh i see! Yeah, that's an interesting view on it..
In this case, what did he get from the Indian couple..and how does it differ?

oracle sold her termination code to the indians because she believes that Sati will once change the future of both worlds - stated in Animatrix.
"Give me the eyes of the Oracle, and I will give you back your saviour."

oh wow! i never noticed that in the Animatrix, maybe thats because that last time i watched it was before i watched Revolutions!
That explains a lot actually!
Cheers!

in revolutions when neo is talking to rahma kandra(the father)in the trainstation...neo says "i know you" to which the father replies "yes...from the restaraunt of the french man"

this is a reference to the guy being led away from the merovingians table in reloaded

in enter the matrix the oracle says to niobe/ghost(i can never remember which)

"2 programmes that i trusted sold the termaination codes of my original shell to the merovingian"

ghost/niobe:"why"

oracle:"for love....and for the life of there child"

niobe/ghost:and you let them?

oracle:because i believe the child is important....she will change both your world and our world forever"

this brings me back to my original arguement of sati being the one as this is her "importance" and her "changing both worlds forever"

This may be rather basic- but if Neo is capable of love when his predessors were not and he is 1/2 of an equation and the other half is or was part of the mainframe/program then now shouldn't the computers be able to do the same? They can evolve where-by previous to this version they could only re-boot or "Re-Load". Sati is not only the next "the one" she is the first program that was loved.
My thoughts only,
thanx

Wern't Sati's parents the first programs to love? I think they said Sati was the first program that was born.

Sati is the first program to be born OUT OF LOVE, instead of out of Purpose. Therefore she has to assigned Purpose. Therefore, if her parents can't save her, she will be deleted.

mud wrote:

oracle sold her termination code to the indians because she believes that Sati will once change the future of both worlds - stated in Animatrix.

sorry not meaning to be picky, but it wasn't in Animatrix. It was in Enter the Matrix. One of the FMV cutscenes.

schari wrote:

I ment that the Merovingian wants Trinity to get username and password of the oracle's program because he can't simply take it by force

No.

"They Eyes of the Oracle" is a reference to the Oracle's perception. Merv doesn't want to destroy the Oracle any more. He wants her foresight. Her ability to see the future.

Smith then gets the Eyes of The Oracle. When he assimilates the Oracle, he recieves her perception and ability to read the future. Thats why when the Smith that is born from the Oracle gets up from her chair, he removes his glasses and the camera focuses on his eyes. He then laughs maniacally.

However, we all know that "The eyes of the oracle cannot be taken. They can only be given".

Therefore, Smith couldn't really steal the Oracles perception by absorbing her. She gives her foresight to him. She does this because she knows that she can maniuplate Smith this way (make him believe that he will defeat Neo in the Superbrawl) and then speak to Neo through Smith in the crater.

But then, Smith should have known that there was a trick. Because Smith has all the memories of the people he has absorbed ("even cookies need love" he said).

So, if he was not aware of the trap, it means that the Oracle had purposely given up her powers temporarily. We can even see that she's surprised of Neo coming sooner, and that is not due to the "choice we cannot understand" since that was a simple decision.

As she said, "that's how it works. Some bits you lose, some bits you keep. " So, when she changed her shape, she probably didn't copy his foresight possibility so that she could cheat on Smith.

Logical, isn't it ?

He didn't understand the choice. Thats why Smith couldn't see the trap until the very end when Neo chooses to stop fighting.

I think we assume that The Oracle is able to censor her memories (and intention to trick Smith) along with her foresight.

The "Some bits you lose,some you keep", whilst mysterious, Is really just a cover-up line to help explain Gloria Foster's...absence.

It was a coincedence that the first Oracles actor died & the Oracles lost her shell. The whole Sati etc stuff isn't a cover up, it was always planned.

I think that the Oracles belief that Sati will change everything is a reference to Matrix version 7.

She is kind of like the oracles "child" from version 6 - born into version 7 as symbol of hope - a bond between the machines and humans - its all about love.

There have been numerous posts on what exactly the Oracle meant in Enter the Matrix when she said to Ghost, "I believe that child is important to both our (machine) world and yours (human).

I made this statement in a previous post, that Sati is not the next one. The Oracle feels Sati is very important because of what she represents. When Neo meets Sati, she helps Neo to realize that he's more than just One fighting for the human race. He also is the ONE to save the machine race. Once Neo sees that the machines' AI is progressing to the point where they now can experience feelings of love, belief in karma, and so forth, it is then that he understands what he must do and where he must go.

The Oracle knows Neo will end up in the Train Station and knows that once Neo meets Sati and her family, he will understand that his purpose extends past saving just the human race.

hungarian kid wrote:

It was a coincedence that the first Oracles actor died & the Oracles lost her shell. The whole Sati etc stuff isn't a cover up, it was always planned.

What ARE you on about. I know Sati isn't a coverup.

And everyone knows she is essential. She reveals that machines are just as valid a lifeform as a human.

But the "Some bits you lose, sime bits you keep" like isn't essential to the plot.

hungarian kid wrote:

It was a coincedence that the first Oracles actor died & the Oracles lost her shell. The whole Sati etc stuff isn't a cover up, it was always planned.

AzarN,

i don't think he was talking about Sati.. i think what he meant was that the whole line about "some things you lose, some things you keep" isn't a cover up line just to improvise something after Gloria Foster died..

the reason why its not a cover up, is because the Wachowskis originally discussed changing the Oracle for Revolutions BEFORE Gloria Foster's death.. but they loved what she had done with the character and decided to keep her in it. When she died, they simply went back to the original idea because while its not ESSENTIAL it deepens the plot and our understanding of the workings of the matrix.

People, People. What the Oracle meant is that when a program loses its shell and gets another one, you remember some stuff and you dont remember some stuff. Simple.

Oracle: So, do you recognize me?
Neo: A part of you.
Oracle: Yeah, that's how it works. Some bits you lose, some bits you keep. I don't yet recognize my face in the mirror, but I still love candy.


ORACLE: You're asking me to prove?
GHOST: Can you?
ORACLE: I can tell you that I only remember bits and pieces of my past. I don't remember your face, but I remember your heart.


ORACLE: Yes, I remember that face. I recall asking you what you were thinking, but I can't remember what you said.

I dont believe for a second that they planned to replace Gloria Foster.Her dying and the new actress is a result of untimely coincidence.

Some may argue that without the Oracle sacrificing herself, then Rhama Kandra would have no bargaining tool to pay for Sati's passage, but this could be rewritten since the Wachowski's are creating the universe. It's their decision and they can create whatever they like. They abide by nothing.

Ultimately, proving that you retain some elements when you change shell is nice, but it is irellevant in the story. What does it prove? Something to do wtih Smith and his censored foresight? No, they're disconnected.

Ultimately, they handled Foster's death extrememly well without sacrificing the plot. But the details provided are simply there to explain why the actor has changed.

I don't think this is relevant to the script.

They never planned to replace the oracle with a new actress - Unfortunately the original Oracle died before filiming ended.

i'm sorry guys but that's what everyone thinks! the truth is they really had discussed the idea of having a different actress play the Oracle but decided not to... but the untimely death of Gloria Foster forced them to go back to what was really the ORIGINAL idea... but everyone assumes that they only thought up the changing shell idea BECAUSE of her death.. but that wasn't true.. this isn't my opinion or a guess.. it's in the actual Matrix Revolutions production notes!

about what it proves.. you're right AzarN.. it doesn't prove anything.. but that's not the point. it simply deepens the plot of the character, whilst giving another small insight into the actual workings of the matrix. is it crucial to know that? no.. but considering all the fuss a lot of people are making about what the Wachowskis DIDN't reveal to us.. i would have thought most of you would be savoring every tiniest morsel of info they've let us in on!

and i don't agree with the people who are saying that when Smith received the eyes of the Oracle his foresight was "censored" by her.. the Oracle didn't censor anything.. he couldn't see past the point of the final fight where Neo sacrifices himself because he didn't understand. you see that in his expressions. Smith is so sure he's going to win from the moment he lets out that evil laugh at the Oracle's apartment, but right at the end.. at the crucial point just before he assimilates Neo he becomes scared and confused. it is at this point that the eyes of the Oracle could do him no good.. as the Oracle said.. NO-ONE can see past a decision they don't understand.. not even her. she suspected that Smith wouldn't understand thus preventing him from seeing past the pivotal moment.. that was the difference between Neo and Smith. Neo was able to make the choice to choose to fight or stop.. Smith couldn't make that choice, he would stop at nothing. That's why the Architect said she played a dangerous game.