»The Mother of the Matrix - Oracle. Is this like the dark.«

Don't know if I have done this in the right place, so far the format of all of this has confused me a bit, but then its not hard to confuse me. Anyway in the end of revolutions after Smith and Neo did battle across the skies like the Archangel Michael, and after assimilating the dark side and The Oracle was left lying on the ground in the rain, can someone give any ideas on that or has it already been done. I'm goin on for 60 you know as we oldies need a little nudging along her and there Mary the Mother was supposed to be the earth part of the equation with god. Mary beget Jesus through devine intervention with the holy spirit (God) She was
supposed to be the earth, heavy, dark part of the equation and God the Light holy spirit side, so we have the dark and the light. Jesus was half man and half god. (He had his finger in quite a few pies, and a foot in heaven and hell, so he already knew both). The dark side too was supposed to reside in Satan who sat on the left side of god and fell to earth because of his bad behaviour (I think) (I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong). Is this some of the explanation for why The Mother was left lying in the place where the argumentative two landed after the reconciliation of the opposites. When we assimilate those sides of ourselves that we project out on to others, (all the bits we don't like and prefer not to acknowledge as part of ourselves), we become more complete each time, until we are complete thereby being whole and ready for a holiday in paradise, nirvana walhalla, whichever. That idea that Yehwah knew our names before we were born tends to give the impression that the pathway was already set for us, and by our Choices we wend our way along this pathway, which is also part of the challenge, finding the pathway, and the lessons we must learn in order to make it to the next rung of the ladder, a little like snakes and ladders. Walking out of the garden - Eden is supposed to be getting into reality, out of denial, beginning to know the truth, believing and understanding the power greater than ourselves, experiencing the god within. Like dreams which are on the inside and the outside, so is God. Anyway just a little more to add to the pot. Would like to hear from others about any of it. thanks. ?

Like dreams which are on the inside and the outside, so is God.
>> Tilda, I like it. You may like this …
As is the microcosm, so is the macrocosm
As is human mind, so is the cosmic mind
- The Upanishads

And I think this has connection with Oracle in Matrix…

In my interpretation, all program characters are personification of subtle mental attributes. Mero is lust for wealth and power. Smith is ego. Oracle is spirit of truth, knowledge and self inquiry (with ‘know thyself’ plaque on her door) . Seraph is wakefulness (Buddha Nature) and alertness to protect that which matters the most. Sati is the connection love represents. In Vedanta (Hindu) tradition, God, the cosmic being is refereed as the one with no physical attributes and form. He/She/It is merely “Satchidanand”. (Sat - Truth) + (Chit - Awake) + (Ananda - love/joy). And like you said, that cosmic being exists inside (as well as outside), he/she/it exists in form of truth, wakefulness and love in all of us. In my opinion Oracle, Seraph and Sati are personification of these three respectively. Like the eternal cosmic being inside us.

Now In M3, at the end , ego take over. Smith, the ego goes to oracle’s apartment and I assume he manages to cloud them Oracle, Sati and Seraph. This is not shown clearly for a reason. Ego cannot assimilate truth. Ego can obscure truth. Once Neo defeats ego, what is revealed back as is these three. Truth, wakefulness and love. In the end they appear together in the last scene. In the new matrix, they again form the microcosm, the god inside you.

Wish you well. Love.

Very interesting comments indeed. bEagle, I do believe that you have read the Bhagvad Gita.

Yes. I read an English translation a long time ago. But at that time, I guess a lot was “lost in translation”. Later, I met a friend, who discussed parts of it and made it alive. Now, that you mentioned it, I would like to read it again.

Thanks bEagle for your comments. My understanding hasn't come so much from reading, (have read a little on Jungian psychology), but from own personal growth work. Some of the information came from a Roman Catholic Priest (the good rebel kind), (believes that God more feminine than masculine). Most of us if not all of us live in a reality that is constructed and imposed upon us by the mores of our society, education, family social structures, social location, laws of the land, politics of the land, parenting, cultural values and a miriad of other things that contribute to the state of mind we develop partially and inherit partially etc which becomes our reality. There are obviously many many realities in this world. However I have come to understand that there is only one true reality, and one true truth. We all live in and around these things all of our lives, some better off and further along the pathway due to better parenting etc, others with a large struggle ahead of them to sniff our their pathway before they can even begin the journey, which may have to be completed in the next life, or relived with different lessons to put us on the right pathway, which is where the micrcosm meets the macrocosm. In Jungian psychology they talk about the persona, unconscious and collective unconsious. Each little journey relates to each individual while at the same time seeding the consiousness of others, and feeding into the collective consiousness. I think thats how it works. The persona is what we develop from our personal experience as children to be able to live and function in the world reality that exists in and around us. The unconscious is personal and sends messages to us via dreams and visions to bring parts of us to consciousness on the outer to add to our completion (which in many cases including mine, may take 100 lifetimes and lessons to complete), and the collective is the sum of every consciousness ever lived or unlived which we can tap into at times through dreams and visions etc. The breaking through to consciousness of aspects of ourselves not yet owned is a painful psychic and bodily experience that along with the pain and fear of knowing who we truly are and the road we have to travel to get there is enough to keep most humans in denial until they are forced to get into being there by the very means they have used to protect themselves often from the truth about themselves. I hope this makes sense. Sometimes I have to go down and fish a little to get it up close enough to be able to translate it to my fingers, and it certainly isn't in an academic form. This RC Priest told me that dreams are on the inside and also the outside just as God is within and without, as with the d...evil within and without. The thing of course that stops us from dealing with all of the lost parts of ourselves including the dark, is FEAR. Looking at the darkest rapist, murderers child molesters, psychopaths is a reflection (mostly unwanted), of the parts of ourselves that we are able to project out onto others, so they form a great mirror for us if we could only stand the knowing that we are also capable of the same.
It is the conscious awareness of our shadow that keeps us from being that way, which is why there are less women than men who commit such horrendous things, as they are generally less consious than women. That isn't to say that women are less capable of commiting them, just that women are closer to the truth, and as their journey has been one of abuse for many hundreds of years, their suffering has been the trigger for consciousness and knowledge before men. Men in general have been protected from a great deal of suffering by virtue of the fact that they were the architects of the era's in history that saw laws, politics, family structures etc designed in such a way that they were able to control most situations around them through power, prestige, knowledge, education, money, laws, politics, that gave them the position to control things to go their way. That is now crumbling, and with it the loss of control will send many men into tailspins of shock which will bring more and more out of denial through power than ever before. Women have lived in denial through fear. They are now getting into a position whereby they are able to by virtue of being able to construct and control their own destinies. are no longer prisoners in male prisons of control. So what we bring to the surface in dreams tells us about who we are and what we must do to move further toward completion, and by virtue of bringing these parts to consciousness, they can then become part of who we are and what our destiny is. There are a lot more connections relating to romantic love etc, however I have spoken of them previously, and don't intend to do so again in this particular forum. The words may be different, but the mean the same thing, and most importantly the growth can never be done intellectually on its own, it has to be the work of the intellect but the body as well, so it has to be experienced at an organic level as well in order for the knowing to become part of who we are. God I hope you understand the garbled way of explaining. Yes Smith is ego, expanding ego, no growth can be achieved by ego alone. Yes they are psychic paradigms or patterns of behaviours also outlined in the Greek and other ancient traditions, Gods and Goddesses, oracles, tragedies, Shakesperean plays, lots and lots of things held up to us like mirrors to help us to recognize that what is in the the other is also in me. The crucifixion and resurrection, the dying unto one, to be reborn unto another. The birth, death, birth cycle. One has to be sacrificed in order for the other to emerge. I will probably be asked again if I have never heard of paragraphs. However it all seems to be one story. Anyway cheers.

Tilda, good to hear from you. I am learning a bit of Sanskrit, an ancient language. The words in this language have genders too and all the words that mean wisdome and subtle truth are feminine! I get the sense of what you are saying, when you say women are closer to it. A bit of red pill for the man within.

Also, I liked what you said about learning organically. It can take one very very long to travel just from head to the heart though they are just few inches away. It is a blessing to remember that and live that too.

Thanks bEagle too. This same Priest put forward the idea that men have traditionally been cut off from the heart (or feeling function - inferior function as it was called), by elevating the intellect to almost spiritual levels, and one such device to maintain the psychological illusion was the tie, most commonly used by the men in black brigade, making the separation between the head and the heart. One male psychologist I spoke to said his means of keeping emotional separation from his client was to consciously wear a tie. Many years back I was having a discussion with a rather outspoken woman who had little time for males due to her marital experiences. She believed that with the XY that is needed to make male or female, in males one of the legs of the Y was missing, evidenced by their warped and disorderly behaviour. I laughed that it was probably a little harsh, however maybe not that far from the truth really, as the missing link that the masculine have to find is through their emotional, or feminine lost in the unconscious function, and it is still very hard for the masculine to go there as it deals with things that make us feel powerless, and vulnerable. Jungian psychology I believe makes it necessary for the masculine to be found through the feminine. That I believe is saying that you have to get down to the feeling function (down in the very part of us that hurts the most), to contact the true masculine. It is hard enough for women to do, I've seen really strong stiff upper lipped, saucy little nymph (courtesy of Hugh Grant) iron maidens, struggling to deal with what was threatening to explode all over the place in groups, trying to deal with what they had put into the darkest dirtiest dungeon within, so they could keep their eloquent , well educated, strong persona intact. The stuff that we keep way down there is the stuff that nightmares are made of for us, yet it is precisely that vulnerable making work that needs to be done to make us fully human, otherwise we are just machines in automatic. There are many men now who are doing the hard yards and not using their wives, or girlfriends or mothers to contain their lost link for them, and they are coming out as strong, centred, loving, kind and truly sensitive men. Obviously the models of masculinity and femininity that we grew up to believe was normal or the way things are supposed to be are not. True femininity is not a woman with a 'cop the racks on that' body, or layers of make up to make their mask for them, or ditsy little dolly birds with blonde hair (its no wonder Marilyn Monroe died, how could she live in a world with such intelligence and an entirely fake exterior). Neither is the true masculine rough, beer swilling, cigar smoking, men in black, burly truck driver, uniform loving war machines. When we can get away from the stereotypes (that we have learned to accept as normal), and truly seek the truth of a person, we perhaps will begin to experience the god and goddess within. So far we have done a pretty good job of allowing the d...evil within to wreak a bit of havoc. We just need to get to know it on the inside instead of allowing it to wreak havoc on the outside. The inner journey for all of us is the true challenge, and probably the only heroes journey left to us. Apologies for the length again bEagle, however it is all connected and somehow it leads onto parts important in the greater scheme of things. You sound like you have evolution too. Many years ago when in the middle of my passion this came out of me, I don't know if there is any meaning in it for anyone other than myself, however it began to take on some meaning whilst studying sociology some years back and dealing with big story and small story.

'In your bigness you were a magnificent model for me
In my littleness ' I' was a magnificent obssession for me
Now in my middleness, your bigness doesn't seem so big
yet still magnificent
My middleness seems to be the right place for me
till I evolve my bigness to emerge in all its magnificence
Then I think my magnificence will be in my littleness'.

From still emerging, Cheers
Tilda

Wow, it is all good. Thanks for sharing.