»Did Matrix 2 change your view on Matrix 1?«

When I first saw The Matrix, I thought it was an OK movie. The story was interesting and the special effects were great and so were the fight scenes, but in general I didn't think much of it afterwards.

But when I saw Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions, it made more sense, and it made me aware of the philosophical meanings, and that these movies are not like any other ordinary movies. It made me appreciate the first movie even more, now realising the philosophical, and mystical/spiritual values and parallels, apart from the special effects. The way it is filmed, the fight scenes, the special effects, the story and how it unfolds. It stands out from others, it's ahead of others. It raises a lot of questions, and eventually a lot of questions are answered, or left open for discussion and speculation.

Matrix 1, is more about introducing us to the matrix, or better, Neo. Explaining what it is.
Matrix 2, takes it a step further, and goes deeper in the matrix meaning and purpose, and introduces us to more people (ships), zion, programs, and ofcourse The Architect.
Matrix 3, was the climax, the war against the machines, the war to end all wars. The conclusion. Special effects and story of biblical proportions well told.

Although you could look at the first matrix as a standalone movie. I prefer to see the three Matrix movies as a whole. I don't think it was the intention of the Warchowsky Borthers the make one single movie of the Matrix. It was merely an introduction. Many hints lead to a sequal(s), and many hints imply that the Trilogy should be seen as a whole. It all starts to makes sense when you progress deeper/further in the story. It's impossible the capture WB's vision in just one movie.

Overall a masterpiece in various aspects, movies that change your way of thinking, literally taking you to another world, an experience not to be missed. A timeless classic that belongs in everyones collection.

I'm curious what people, who saw all three movies in a row for the first time, thought of the matrix. And what people will think of it in the future.

For me, yes.

It would be interesting to see if M2 and M3 were planned alongside M1. M2 and M3 change the entire focus of the original film.

In M1 the threat was psychological: the Matrix sucking people back in (the Cypher character). It's a powerful theme: the "system" has as its real attack the threat to one's mind: people will choose comfortable slavery to uncomfortable freedom. In M2 and M3, the threat is physical: the sentinels are coming to kill you!

You figure M1 was symbolic of the way the "system" keeps people enslaved. You buy into the illusion around you, you are plugged into the power structure, but the power structure sucks your life away. There was an episode of "X Files" where a vampire preys on people who work in cubicle jobs. Symbolic (again) of how boring jobs suck your life away.

Now, M2 and M3 present no similar threat. Instead, the threat is the robots trying to kill people. But then it all comes down to firepower, or EMP, or whatever technical gizmo the engineering department on the USS Enterprise can come up with by the last commercial.

Theory? The Matrix is real, the first film leaked this out to the public, so the machines made M2 and M3 to misdirect people from making effective resistance.

Well, it's not that I didnt like the Architect's speech or the plateau fight, or the trucks scene, which to me are some of the brightest parts of Reloaded

but it really didnt change the view I had of Mx, I always expected a sequel from Mx, and it was obvious the neb crew werent the only humans, Tank and Dozer evidenced this, and I really liked tank as a char. I did expect Neb to be more unrelated to Zion though, I didnt expect zion to be their center of operations, or Morpheus to have a commander, I thought tank and dozer were like two oddballs in zion who felt like helping those crazy dudes at neb, when the rest of Zion lived whitout caring for the machines, since I guessed Zion had survived the destruction, instead of them originating from matrix.

I liked the chars the way they were presented in the first movie a bit more, I liked tank and cypher a lot, somehow persephone ghost and niobe seemed more artificial, even oracle seemed awkward.

I really liked the Mx oracle because she seemed very motherly....somehow, but her speech in MxRl got a bit weirder.

there's just something about the texture of the movie that changed in MxRl I cant put in words that doesnt sit right with me, there's something about the feel of MxRl that doesnt quite work for me...I could always tell when CG was being used, because the shots are from further away,and something about the motion blurs is weird.

I have always thought the look in the Mx was much better achieved somehow, it feels more cohesive.

The burly brawl was just a big fat chunk of nonesense for me, it had been so blown out of proportion in the previews it didnt impress me at all, it might have had some impact on me if they actually had been secretive about it's existance, but knowing from so long ago that a bunch of smiths were gonna fight Neo, I just thought that what was done with that
sequence was unimaginative and bland.

For neo, I always did expect him to evolve in to a messiah type character, the way he was displayed in MxRl, but I always stood disappointed by the way he used his powers, seems to fight pretty damn poorly for a guy that can twist space the way he does, he should be warping things around him, and making things cave on his enemies as a fight technique.

The architect's speech was really great though, it was like a big break from all the preceeding "huh?"s that I had with the movie....and the idea of Neo reviving Trinity by touching her heart literally was cool.

All in all there were great things about MxRl, but it didnt feel as cohesive as the first, I'll always look at the first in a different light because somehow the other two movies just dont come together as nicely as the first for me, they both got great things and all, but the original made me feel things that the other two couldnt even touch. They never felt like follow ups for me that way.

I think that interview that the was revealed about guy working on MxO, where he says that the bros are great because they had the backstory for morpheus proves both those who think Mx stands apart from the other two, and those who think the trilogy is cohesive right.

it WAS all thought out as a trilogy, but the way that it came together IS affected by time restraints and other hinderanes of movie making "we originaly had that backstory in our script, but it had to be cut out for time issues", personally, I think that as the brothers werent sure of wether they'd gather the money to make the other 2, they stuck a lot of the content in Mx1, and they had to stretch things out a bit for the other two.

I thought I knew the matrix until part two came out and I realized that concurrently my viewing of the first film, though pertinent, was also the most irrelevent.

I believe everyone has their own interpretation of The Matrix regardless of the fact that there is/may be a common concept... my view alway changes let it be in so small a way from the day I watched it to today when I rewatch it [thats why I love it] so the coming of 2 a 3 definately did changed my view alot and I should also note that listening to Sohpia's interview also changed it to a more realistic view.

Reloaded changed my view of Matrix 1 because it introduced a whole load of new DEEPER concepts that there was no way I (or anyone) would have considered before i.e. the exiles, the merovingian, backdoors in the Matrix, Smith cloning himself etc. These are all things which expanded our view of the Matrix, whatever we thought we knew before.

same here, everything got a lot more depth with part two and three (though, i'd like to say, even part one was deeper than 90% of all other hollywood movies put together)

Obviously so, since there are some of many of us here still talking about it now!

What other films came out at the same time as the Matrix that people still obsess about?

the reason people obsess about the matrix becouse it has more real live in it pluse it makes people think is this world we live in just a computer ran dream world

mabel wrote:

i always thought that morpheus and his crew were the only ppl alive in the real world when i saw matrix 1...

They talk about Zion, and they talk about "another ship" in the first Matrix.

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No,Matrix1 hasn't changed my opinion.It bore questions,that are not answered and Matrix2 is a sequel, that is even more compicated.

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When I saw M2 my views changed a bit. Especially when I saw the scene between Neo and the Architect.


There are levels of control that we were unaware of.

We found out though.

There are levels of control that we still do not see with our naked eyes...blind from the truth we are.

Only knowlege can save us.

The thing that enslaved us shall be the thing that shall free us!

What kind of question is "Did it change my 'view"?

Yes, Matrix 2 made me look up at a different angle. IMAX seats are different from reg. theatres.

The sequel storyline is just a continuation from the first.

gina rink wrote:

Yes, Matrix 2 made me look up at a different angle. IMAX seats are different from reg. theatres. The sequel storyline is just a continuation from the first.

I like that.

intell wrote:

gina rink wrote: Yes, Matrix 2 made me look up at a different angle. IMAX seats are different from reg. theatres. The sequel storyline is just a continuation from the first. I like that.

H3ll yeah! That is funny!

Just does not get it does he/she?

AgentDragon wrote:

H3ll yeah! That is funny! Just does not get it does he/she?

Yeah, you're right. I don't get it.

Gina Rink wrote:

What kind of question is "Did it change my 'view"? Yes, Matrix 2 made me look up at a different angle. IMAX seats are different from reg. theatres. The sequel storyline is just a continuation from the first.

'View' as in opinion. Did M2 change your view [opinion] on M1?

Don't worry, me and Intell were just having a good laugh. Old people need to laugh to keep their hearts healthy. Don't take it offensively.

But yeah, you were right about both things. A movie does look different on the big screen [especially if it is really big] and yes, the M2 is a continuation from M1.

AgentDragon wrote:

'View' as in opinion. Did M2 change your view [opinion] on M1? Don't worry, me and Intell were just having a good laugh. Old people need to laugh to keep their hearts healthy. Don't take it offensively.

First, I'm sure intell got the joke. Hence, the laugh.
Second, the question has a huge fallacy in it.
Third, my answer points out that I believe the question to be a false dichotomy. The second storyline is a continuation of the first, therefore, the views are the same. So, your "view" should be the same.



Edit: The comment about me being on the offensive would leave us to question your position (as I didn't bring it up in either of my comments). In other words, it would suggest that someone was on the defensive. And, if we are to believe in the cliches of the world: The best offense is a good defense.

1) Hahahaha! I'm laughing with AgentDragon that didn't get the joke that Gina made and intell enjoyed! LOL

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Just does not get it does he/she?

Yeah he or she?

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