»The signifigence of 3 in the end of M2«

As most of you already know, the original pi (sorry, I don't have the symbol on my keyboard) was 3. Now it is 3.14
The obvious stuff:
1. 3 (trinity) + 1 (neo) = 4 (trinity and neo)
2. the original pi was 3 (trinity is related to pi).

Now that you know that 3 is Trinity (duh), and 314 is also Trinity (or related to), look at the end of the Matrix Reloaded Script.

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Keymaker: Once the door is unprotected, the connection will be severed. But another connection must first be made. Ghost: How long will that take? Keymaker: Exactly 314 seconds.

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Morpheus: All of our lives we have fought this war. Tonight I believe we can end it. Tonight is not an accident. There are no accidents. We have not come here by chance. I do not believe in chance when I see 3 objectives, 3 captains, 3 ships. I do not see coincidence, I see providence, I see purpose. I believe it is our fate to be here. It is our destiny. I believe this night holds for each and every one of us the very meaning of our lives.

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Soren: Time? Vector: 3 minutes. Binary: Almost there. {then they die}

Trinity: Find the others.
Link: Got Niobe right there, they're already out of the station.
Trinity: What about Soren?
Link: There, they're still inside, but...
Trinity: They're not moving.
***slightly later***
Link: Everything's still operational. Emergency system's already rerouting power. Jesus. As soon as they open that door, it's all over.
Trinity: The hell it is.
Link: What are you... Trinity?
Trinity: I will not stand here and do nothing. I will not wait here to watch them die.
Link: Trinity, we're talking less then 5 minutes here.
Trinity: In 5 minutes, I'll tear that whole Goddamn building down. [quote]

NOW, WHAT DOES THIS TELL US?
1. 3 ships, 3 objectives, 3 captains. And one Trinity (3), who goes in to save Neo (the 1). (slightly confusing, isn't it? :lol: )
2. 314 seconds. In those 314 seconds, TRINITY (related to 3.14) has to go blow up the powerplant.
3. As soon as the time hits 3 minutes, the crew dies so Trinity can go in.

It's interesting how the plots have little twists like that! I believe that it's all intentional. I mean, just think about it. How could someone think up something like that on ACCIDENT?

Questions? Comments? Concerns?

-Spintey

really interesting thoughts.

what do you think it means?

~Serenity Sedai, Green Sister of the White Tower~

I think that it means EXACTLY what Morpheus said. Every little bit of wordplay was done for a reason. I think that Trinity was "meant" to go into the Matrix. Fate. We obviously see the pattern. It makes you appreciate the Matrix on a whole new level, huh? I really like that when the time hits 3 minutes, the crew INSTANTLY dies so Trinity can go into the Matrix and kick ass.

Something even MORE interesting:
After one Trinity (3) goes in and saves Neo (1), one (as in a, I'm not repeating myself) Neo (1) goes back out and saves Trinity (3).
That's what Trinity meant (also besides the fact that she had saved Neo in M1) by "I guess we're even now."
(^_^)

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~Serenity Sedai, Green Sister of the White Tower~

That's cool! I like it.[/quote]

well I meant I was wondering if you thought it meant anything else besides displaying the presence of Fate. =) But yes it is totally cool!

Thank you! my tag is out of the Wheel of Time books, by Robert Jordan, have you heard of them?

Walk in the Light and Blessed Be!
~Serenity Maconar, Aes Sedai of the Green Ajah, White Tower of Tar Valon~

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well I meant I was wondering if you thought it meant anything else besides displaying the presence of Fate. =) But yes it is totally cool!

In what sense? I suppose, yes, this could be all a random thing of events, but that's not the W. Brother's style. Do you mean spiritually, literally, mathmatically, grammatically...? :P

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Thank you! my tag is out of the Wheel of Time books, by Robert Jordan, have you heard of them?

They sound VERY familiar, but I haven't read them. But maybe I'm thinking of The Wrinkle in Time....I'm personally a huge LOTR fan!

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Walk in the Light and Blessed Be!

The taste brought back to them the memories of fair faces and laughter, and wholesome food in quiet days now far away.
(LOTR TT the book)

y do people keep associating pi with the movies? its just the ratio of circumference to diameter. what relation can it have with the movies?

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As most of you already know, the original pi (sorry, I don't have the symbol on my keyboard) was 3.

what do u mean by that? that the egyptians misculcalated pi to 3? is that any reason for miscalculating it now?

the 3 ships 3 captains thing may have some relation to 3nity, or some other three. but pi? can u give any reasons?

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y do people keep associating pi with the movies? its just the ratio of circumference to diameter. what relation can it have with the movies?

Lots. Because, as I have explained earlier, the first PI was 3. TRINITY IS 3. Remember this?

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Ghost: How long will that take? Keymaker: Exactly 314 seconds

314 3.14 PI!

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what do u mean by that? that the egyptians misculcalated pi to 3? is that any reason for miscalculating it now?

I mean I don't have the symbol PI on my keyboard. But if you're referring to the above, yes. It's not "miscalculating," it's an interesting twist in the plot that forshadows what's going to happen next. Because think about it, how obvious would it be that Trinity was going in there if the Keymaker was like: Exactly 333 seconds.

Do you see where I'm coming from now?

u already posted those arguments before. the 314 seconds COULD be a reference to pi. but 3, definitely not.

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the first PI was 3

what does that mean? there is no first pi, second pi and third pi. some people miscalculated pi to 3. so that means 3 is a reference to pi? that argument is toooo weak. 3 cannot be a reference to pi, it is just 3. we might as well say that 'the one' actually means phi - 1.618 or something.

but if 314 is indeed a reference to pi, so what? pi doesnt symbolise trinity. it doesnt symbolise anything, other than the ratio of circumference to diameter. pointless to say its a reference to pi.

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u already posted those arguments before. the 314 seconds COULD be a reference to pi. but 3, definitely not.

Yes I have. Because I believe that they are very valid. Why wouldn't you?

Besides, you give me no proof against it. "It's not probable." Please. Why don't you think it's possible? So WHAT if it's just a calculation. It's obvious that they USED it throughout the movie as wordplay. And it makes perfect sense! It forshadows the fact that Trin is going to save Neo. Look at what all I've said above (because I'm not typing it again). Then look at your argument. WEAK.

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what does that mean? there is no first pi, second pi and third pi.

You misunderstand me. The ORIGINAL Pi was 3. When they first calculated it.

What is Phi? You're just making up random bull. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?

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but if 314 is indeed a reference to pi, so what? pi doesnt symbolise trinity. it doesnt symbolise anything, other than the ratio of circumference to diameter. pointless to say its a reference to pi.

It might. Three obviously does. Pi (AS I'VE SAID 1 MILLION TIMES BEFORE) was 3. They DO have a connection. I mean, honestly, do you REALLY think that this is a random occurence? That's not the W. Brother's style. Then what else is a random occurence? 101 on Neo's door everywhere? 303?[/quote]

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Besides, you give me no proof against it. "It's not probable." Please. Why don't you think it's possible? So WHAT if it's just a calculation.

this is why i think it was impropable. 3 was not the 'first pi'. thats y u get it wrong. it was the first MISCALCULATION of pi. now do u think someone would use a misrepresentation of a symbol as a reference to it? for example, pretend your name is splintey. if i wanted to refer to u, would i say blimfey? and in a movie thats all about symbology?

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What is Phi? You're just making up random bull.

indeed i was. but i was being sarcastic of ur theory. but since we enjoy spending time on these boards, i will elaborate my sarcasm.
3.14159....endlessly is pi. but u consider simply 3 also to be a reference to pi.
using the same modus operandi,
phi is 1.6180339887.... but leaving out the decimal part, i get 1. so 'The One' is a reference to phi. dont try to refute this, i was just being sarcastic.

anyway, since we talked abt numbers, u should look into phi. u'll find its a h(ell) of a lot more interesting that pi! pi is the ratio of two line segments when they are divided in a certain way. it is also called the golden mean, divine proportion, etc. very intriguingly, it is found everywhere in nature. for eg:
The proportions of the human body
The proportions of many other animals
Plants
DNA
The solar system
Structure of galaxies
Art and architecture
Music
Population growth
The stock market
The Bible and in theology

WHOA! no wonder people call it 'the divine proportion'. do a search for it on the net, u'll definitely be intrigued. go here too

And thus....(drumroll, please)...IT HAS A LOT TO DO W/ THE MATRIX! Art, Mathematics, Music, the very essense of our BEING (DNA).

So what if it was the first miscalculation. Try to find me a pi before that 3. But you still haven't explained anything that I've said above. I'll give you a little to disprove, because, just like I've stated the whole pi=3 thing, your ownly argument is that it is "just" a calculation, and you've used it WAY too much (whoa! De Ja Vu!)

1. If:

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Keymaker: Exactly 314 seconds

is a random occurence, what else is a random occurence?That's not the W. Brother's style. Then what else is a random occurence? 101 on Neo's door everywhere? 303?

2. Why would this 314 seconds NOT be an interesting twist in the plot that forshadows what's going to happen next? Because think about it, how obvious would it be that Trinity was going in there if the Keymaker was like: Exactly 333 seconds.

3. So WHAT if it's just a calculation. It's obvious that they USED it throughout the movie as wordplay. It doesn't MATTER if it's a miscalculation. If it has a connection like that, then it really doesn't matter. (see forshadowing)

4. You have a strong oppinion, but WHERE is your PROOF from the MOVIE? If you can't back it up, there is no point in stating it (in my oppinion ). I NEED PROOF! Because, if I don't have any, I can't understand where you're coming from. And if I can't understand where you're coming from, your oppinion seems like a bunch of bull shit to me. (that's why I continue to argue w/ you)

A lot (ok, ALL) of these questions I've stated and re-stated and re-re-re-stated, but despite these flaws with your theory, you don't ANSWER them. Of course, this is all based on oppinion, but...(see 4)

still didnt get it? there is NO connection between phi and the movies. i just used that explanation to make the fault in ur theory obvious.

i agree there is a VERY HIGH probability that 314 is a reference to pi. and there is definitely some message or 'twist' as u say, in the reference.

but i think ur wrong to associate THREE with pi. three simply isnt pi, do i have to explain why? three CANNOT be a reference to pi, the same way that one cannot be a reference to phi. so vague a connection will not be used by the brothers.

i agree they have used 3 as wordplay, and 314 as wordplay, and maybe pi too. but 3 simply NOT EQUALS to pi. there must be a better connection. some people say that it was pi that bane-smith scratched on his hand. mayb that would be a better prospect. i also remember seeing pi on one of the walls somewhere.

you misunderstand me again, my Indian friend. Pi doesn't EQUAL 3, but it has a strong CONNECTION with 3. (see history)

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still didnt get it? there is NO connection between phi and the movies. i just used that explanation to make the fault in ur theory obvious.

I got that a LONG time ago. But it's confuzzling when you try to relate that to Pi, because, no offense, but your example sucks. It doesn't really prove anything. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY BY USING SUCH A SUCKIE EXAMPLE?

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i agree there is a VERY HIGH probability that 314 is a reference to pi. and there is definitely some message or 'twist' as u say, in the reference.

thank you! :tongue:

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Pi doesn't EQUAL 3, but it has a strong CONNECTION with 3.

and what i'm trying to say is that the connection is too weak for 3 to imply pi. but maybe it all comes down to our opinion. u say 3 means pi, i say it doesnt.

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when you try to relate that to Pi, because, no offense, but your example sucks. It doesn't really prove anything. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY BY USING SUCH A SUCKIE EXAMPLE?

i meant it to suck. this is what i tried to say. i created the connection between 'the one' and phi using ur same methodology. so if u think that connection sucks, u must also conclude that the connection between 3 and pi sucks.

but finally its just your opinion versus mine, unless u have some new evidence.
my v. of reloaded is pretty low resolution. y dont u look for pi elsewhere in the movie. i'm pretty sure i saw it on one of the walls, and also on bane's hand

It IS a thing of oppinions. And you can disagree all you want, because, although I have proof, I'm not going to FORCE you to believe it. I will look though. But with the hand thing, I've looked at it on the screen and everything, and all I could see was 2 lines. I swear there is NO Pi there. you don't even see him making the little squiggly line thing at the top of the PI. Although, if it WAS pi, it would forshadow the capture of Trinity in M3 perfectly. But that brings us back to what we've already argued about, so lets argue about this instead, shall we? I think we've narrowed it down pretty much. So I'll see what I can do. Expect sometime around next week for a reply giving more evidence.
Splintey

It IS a matter of oppinions. And you can disagree all you want, because, although I have proof, I'm not going to FORCE you to believe it.

Your phi thing, though, isn't exactly correct. Clever, but I actually showed where 3.14 ect. was in the movie (except without the .)...Not to be completely argumentitive (you DO notice I am splinterinyourmind for a REASON, don't you?

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It's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad.

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I will look though. But with the hand thing, I've looked at it on the screen and everything, and all I could see was 2 lines. I swear there is NO Pi there. you don't even see him making the little squiggly line thing at the top of the PI. Although, if it WAS pi, it would forshadow the capture of Trinity in M3 perfectly. But that brings us back to what we've already argued about, so lets argue about this instead, shall we? I think we've narrowed it down pretty much. So I'll see what I can do. Expect sometime around next week for a reply giving more evidence.
Splintey [/quote]

Sorry about that. Read the bottom one. DAMN COMPUTER. Knnknn, do you have any idea WHY it tells you that it's "too soon after a post, and to try again later," but then POSTS IT ANYWAY? It's damn annoying!
A ticked off splintey

Has anyone thought about this reference as previously stated being a reference to pi which is the symbol for the ratio of the circumference of a circle to it's diameter. Which could in turn symbolise that Neo is back at the beginning he has come full circle and has to make the choice again as he has done before.

AHA! More proof. But I don't really think anyone's arguing with me anymore (too exhausting).

here is another 3 reference for u to puzzle out neo dies for 72 seconds, Jesus died and supposedly came back from the dead in 3 days = 72 hours.
You can check my timings if u like but he flatlines at 1:58.06 and is resurrected at 1:59.18 which is the start of Trinity's kiss.

So tecnical. Did you actually time this? Now I have a question for all you devote Christians out there. If they never found his body, how do they even know exactly what time it was? I know this is a bit random, but....I feel that it is important for me to know all about the so called "Neo-parallel." I personally think there is much more semmetry to a lot of OTHER religions' saviors, but I'm a skeptic of EVERYTHING.

LOL i know it was pedantic but i had to retrace my films after reading some of the posts on this forum and the 3 reference is all over the place and nobody mentioned the 3 as in the platform 3 which is where Neo and Smith fight in m1.

i think splintey mentioned that 314 seconds thing a long time ago.

but can u actually synchronise everythng in the shoot so that it all happens in EXACTLY 72 seconds? pretty hard imo. anyway u should send this to the admin and see if he puts it on the symbology page.

i dont know exactly, but maybe somebody saw him after three days. most probably they just took His Word for it. (excuse the pun)

yeah sad as it was i did time it using my dvd player just before i posted because of what a mate said to me as far as the 3 days thing your right but if you believe all the god basher crap then it was 3 days. No offence to all the bible bashing freaks out there but i do personally believe jesus was a very good con artist with a great system for getting what he wanted and making people believe what they wanted to.

Either that, or his body was stolen. It SOUNDS like he was a rich man. Why SHOULDN'T poorer people steal his body for hidden coins?
I would love to go on disproving Christian Bible gimmicks, but I hate to upset some of the population, so....are we clear? It's still only oppinion. And it doesn't really matter when it comes down to the basic story. With or without, the story still is the same. Just with a little more of a twist.