»Honest Oppinions«

Okay, maybe it is because I am new here, but it seems many people who post here dislike the Matrix movies, especially the third. In fact, it seems like more people dislike them than like them, or maybe the people who do like them don't voice their oppinion. I want to know what you thought of the trilogy in a short, honest summary. I know many people loved the first film, hated the others. I know many people think Revolutions ruined the trilogy.

I am not the kind of person who watches each of these movies 500 times and picks them apart for their meaning. I don't expect everything to have a philosophy or meaning. However, I do watch each of the movies over and over again because I love them for their action and great story. IMHO, they are the best movies ever made. I do see and somewhat understand the meaning(s) behind the trilogy and I think it is great that there is a meaning, but I don't look at the movies for just that. These movies are too good to be ruined by theories of the meanings of every character and every scene in the movies.

I am not expecting everyone to read this and suddenly realize what great movies they are. I am not expecting you all to look past the meanings and see just a great action/sci-fi flick. I just want you to enjoy these movies for what they are and not pick them apart and only see what you want to see.

So just let me know what you like or dislike about the trilogy. Tell me what you think the best scenes or quotes are. Don't just give a 'the Matrix sucks.' Tell me why. I honestly don't know how any body could watch these movies and just say they absolutely hated them. But that's just me.

What do you think?

It entertains as well as provokes to explore things.

Can't argue with that. I am looking for something longer though...

Like you said, I prefer the first movie to the following two. This is because the first movie stood alone very well, whereas the final two required you to go beyond the trilogy and watch the Animatrix and play Enter the Matrix to get the full story. I don't think that Revolutions ruined the trilogy, but I think it left a great deal to be desired. Also, with the later two movies, the 'wow' effect of the first film was not present in that we knew pretty much what to expect. I don't think that they're bad movies, but neither had the same effect on me as the first.

Great points. I hate the fact that you have to watch the Animatrix and play Enter the Matrix to really get the story of the final two films. I think it was just a way to make even more money. You could really watch the movies without being too lost, but it you are into it you will want to know the whole story, therefore you will play the game and see the Animatrix. When people ask me if the trilogy is worth watching, I strongly recommend to watch the first movie, and if they still want more, see the last two. You could easily see the first film and be satisfied. But then you watch the second film and it leaves you in suspense, so you have to see the third. Then that ends, and you are pretty much in shock and confusion, as I was. Don't get me wrong, I love Reloaded and after watching Revolutions several times, I love that too. The special effects and fight scenes leave the first movie in the dust. But the last two lack what the first film was full of. Explanations. They made it so if the first film flopped, they could end it there. But it was so huge I think the film makers got power-hungry, and went crazy with the next two. This lost many fans but not me. I love the entire trilogy and nothing will make me think differently.

Basically the first two movies were awesome, two of the best I had ever seen!

The third one was just as bad as the first two were good!

In the third one, Trinity dies, Neo Dies, the machines are still in control and they still are exploiting the humans that remain in the pods.

There is no Justice in any of that.

Who goes to see their hero get his butt kicked by a bum called the Trainman with one punch and then loose every other battle as well?

Especially when the previous movies were making me feel good about the home team actually throwing off their oppressors and getting some freedom without the fear of the machines changing their minds when too many humans choose to not be batteries!

And I am not talking about theories unexplained, I am talking about escapeism, going to the movies to see action and fun. Where is the fun in seeing the good guys get their butts handed to them?

Saw it coming though before I saw the third one so I was not really suprised since I found out the W-bros are hugh pacifists and want to just "live and let live even when the enemy is bent on your destruction!"

UGH!

I thought the matrix Revolutions was great though I must admit I was a little dissapointed that Neo supposedly died that part really sucked.

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I am not the kind of person who watches each of these movies 500 times and picks them apart for their meaning. I don't expect everything to have a philosophy or meaning. However, I do watch each of the movies over and over again because I love them for their action and great story. IMHO, they are the best movies ever made. I do see and somewhat understand the meaning(s) behind the trilogy and I think it is great that there is a meaning, but I don't look at the movies for just that. These movies are too good to be ruined by theories of the meanings of every character and every scene in the movies.

but heres the problem with that... you cant separate the meanings of the movies AWAY from the plot/storyline.

the trilogy is about "what is real" and things of that nature. to take it out would make no sence.

many have called each movie "a philosophical movie."
meaning it was "all about philosophy."

at every turn there were things in it that spoke about those types of things, then mixed together with action.

having no answeres to the philosophical questions means having no answers to the plot/story.

and having holes in a plot... RUINES the story.

i.e. is NEO DEAD? (because if he is then he sacrificed himself and he was like christ)

or... did the machines need humans as batteries (because if they dont it shows that slavery is ok.) and if they do (then it shows slavery is ok if you need to inslave someone to save your life)

and if they dont need humans as batteres then it would show a hole in the plot, it would say that the machines are malevolent and just killing the people of zion because their jerks.

the storyline and philosophy of the matrix are intertwined. if you have holes in the philosophy, then it unravels and reveals holes in the plotline.

both btw are wrong.

but you get the idea.

i liked the fact that neo may be dead...

hopefully it means that if the matrix saga does continue on screen then he wont be back to give his best wooden plank routine again

That's a good point. If Neo ever returns he doesn't have a body so he could have any digital self image he wanted. We could have someone new playing Keanu's part - It'd be controversial who to give the part to tho.... not Sean Connery no! (joke about another thread)

I liked all the movies. In fact having watched a downloaded copy of revolutions it didn't seem anything like as bad as I remembered. I think it was just a problem of too much hype.

Maybe that's the reason why I hated Return Of The King? After all that had just as much hype if not more and it had to (and naturally failed to) live up to the book too!

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Maybe that's the reason why I hated Return Of The King? After all that had just as much hype if not more and it had to (and naturally failed to) live up to the book too!

must agree with you... I loved the book, hated the movie... the fights were great, of course, but it all lacked the emotional side... or maybe its just me?

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I liked all the movies. In fact having watched a downloaded copy of revolutions it didn't seem anything like as bad as I remembered. I think it was just a problem of too much hype.

bingo...what film could live up to the hype...what film could answer all the so many questions asked of it?

i will say this of its 2 big rivals...lord of the rings and starwars...the only reason that there was less discussion about them than there was about the matrix is that everyone more or less knows what the outcome of those was going to be...

after reloaded it seemed that anything could happen and the film got so much theories and plot fakes posted on the net about that it was inevitable that many people would be dissapointed

also the fact that most mainstream cinema goers(including most mainstream press reviewers)will not have had the explanations in enter the matrix and the animatrix...

hmm. i agree.

imagine that.

I liked LotR, not Star Wars though. Although in it's defence, I think that 'Attack of the Clones' does help to show the Empires development.
A big problem with the Star Wars prequels, I think, is that they answer too many questions that fans have asked , and often with bad answers (like what the force is... I did not like it being explained as a physical object). What you you all think?

I don't think anybody on this forum (although I might be wrong) was saying that they liked the new Star Wars prequels. I think it is more that they are comparing the matrix movies to the original Star Wars trilogy since that was also a major science fiction trilogy. I don't know about anybody else but I would hope for the matrix trilogy to be remembered in 20 or 30 years time just like the Star Wars trilogy is now.

The MATRIX trilogy by ITSELF will probably be rememebered as a GREAT sci fi series.

however, if it EVER is talked about on TV and places like that.. it will INCLUDE how the 3rd film was a COMPLETE FLOP

the media bases how well movies were "liked" by how much money it made at the theatres.

the third one will DEFINATELY be considered a FLOP and ALREADY has.

and when they talk about the trilogy the 3rd one being talked about being a "flop" will probably be synonomis with it.

Matrix 3 has made TONS of money. It just didn't make as much as other movies. If matrix 3 was a flop then that's unfortunate because that means other superb films that came out last year, like Kill Bill (fantastic movie), were a complete disaster!

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Kill bill a FANTASTIC MOVIE?

well I dont know about that YET.

you know NOTHING about HER

at least not yet.

i think an action movie with ZERO plot is not much of a movie at all.

however i think that if quinten wrote the film script originally as 2 movies it probably would have been better.

but NO they have to cut 1 script in TWO.

which means we dont really know what the hell is going on.
sure she belongs to that vipers gang... but WHAT THE HELL?

how does this chick know how to do all of these super human things?

its like that old hollywood CAR that explodes in Mid air as it goes off a cliff for no reason.

it would mean that shes doing those super human things just to "be cool" and for no other reason.

i just cant accept that and i think its cheezy and stupid.
i sure hope they explain that. (like they explain neo)


because if they just (leave it open) ill end up hating KIll bill also.

(dont get me wrong i liked the action scenes) but you dont even know her name. (thats pretty bad)

and as for KILL BILL being a disaster?

why would IT be a disaster as well as the third matrix movie?

just because the last matrix film sucked a butt doesnt mean that kill bill would automatically be a pile of dung.

but i havent check on how much it made.. maybe i will....
wait.... no..
hell with that.

I meant that it didn't pull in as much money as M3 did. Neither did most movies at the end of last year.

What was all that stuff about Black Mamba having super powers? The first volume was only half a movie like M2 was but it was still fantastic. You don't need to know her name - you never get to know doctor who's name and that never mattered (if you're american you might not have seen any episodes of doctor who). Kill Bill is a very very VERY classy movie and the plot is building up nicely.

Maybe Kill Bill will have made more profit than M3. Considering how much money M3 would have cost to make in comparison I guess it makes sense. However, I am somewhat surprised by this.

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What was all that stuff about Black Mamba having super powers? The first volume was only half a movie like M2 was but it was still fantastic. You don't need to know her name - you never get to know doctor who's name and that never mattered (if you're american you might not have seen any episodes of doctor who). Kill Bill is a very very VERY classy movie and the plot is building up nicely.

the main charachter is called "the bride" (at least that was what quinten was calling her in an interview) and she does things in the movie that are beyond normal human abilities.

while the moves she does are not "super human" they are "abnormal" and need to be explained. otherwise its just stupid.

i understand you dont need to know her name but i was just showing how bad it was lacking in storyline.

they need to explain her powers, her connection with the vipers, and they need to explain how she uses a sword so well. (better than the other people)

if they do those things i will like the movie.
if not?

it will be a pile of crap.

and you should probably hate it too. because i KNOW how its going to end.


(shes going to "have" to goto a sensai where he is going to train her on how to fight with a sword better, and he's going to jump on the sword stuff and do things to make her look like an idiot.- then the sensai will fight her with no sword of his own to "prove a point" and make her look useless. and then he will train her.

BILL is going to go in a 1 on 1 sword fight with "the bride" and she is going to kill him.
thus the name "kill bill" and shes going to walk away with all the viper gang dead.


a typical hollywood ending. (boy how UN original)

and if you dont think that its going to end in this way... just wait and see.

youll see how im right about that.

im predicting kill bill just like i predicted the 3rd matrix film... not all that hard.

You only know about the training stuff because you have seen the trailer. Well done, you have eyes. Also already there is more than simply a battle with Bill to come since she has to worry about her four year old child and also has to contend with the two remaining lackeys who work for Bill. (one of which is Michael Madsen YAY!)

She is fantastic with a samurai sword because she is a trained killer and worked for Bill as one for many years. She is also fuelled by a need for revenge. There's nothing unusual about someone being good with weapons - you might as well ask how James Bond is able to dodge bullets all the time.

I think you are taking the movie too seriously. If you are going to ask why she is so spectacular with a sword then are you going to ask how she takes a samurai sword onto a plane? It's fun - it's admitted by Quentin himself to be even less realistic than his other 3 movies.

Oh and ironically enough just as I was in the middle of writing this a friend signed on to msn to tell me that he has just seen Kill Bill and it is now his second favourite movie of all time. Face it, you love it really!

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She is fantastic with a samurai sword because she is a trained killer and worked for Bill as one for many years. She is also fuelled by a need for revenge. There's nothing unusual about someone being good with weapons - you might as well ask how James Bond is able to dodge bullets all the time. I think you are taking the movie too seriously. If you are going to ask why she is so spectacular with a sword then are you going to ask how she takes a samurai sword onto a plane? It's fun - it's admitted by Quentin himself to be even less realistic than his other 3 movies.

yeah ill agree with this but there is a huge difference between james bond and the bride.

James bond doesnt exactly "dodge bullets" (espceially in the sence of the AGENTS)

she is doing things that are physically impossible and against the laws of physics. when i was watching it i was like ..hmm. ok. that was cool but.. what the hell?

i was saying that same thing when i saw trinity run across the wall. sure it was cool looking but they explained it, which made it so much better.

it was cool before and it became better.
maybe im expecting to much but thats what i do. and im almost ALWAYS disapointed.

i just about hate every movie thats comes out. (it sucks) because all i see are the flaws and the flaws scream at me when i watch the movie.

dont get me wrong i think so far its "interesting" but i cant really say that i "like it" at least not yet because i dont know everything yet.

great, greater, greatest. they all rock, and what comes to the discussion about more matrix movies, please no.

i think everyone hates the third one because we did no like the out come, we as human minds want secureity, we want to certian of things, we like to think we are in control. i think that all who did not like the final one, sublimily have a proplem with some things not certian. what was so bad about it? we can complain and gripe about so many things, i think it is because we need to think we can control everything. That is that. Now about the poster of the forum, i think the matrix has you. you are in the cave. (no offense)