»What is the anomally?«

I think you can look at the anomally two ways.

1 - The Matrix is written to control humans, 99.9% accept it. .1% percent reject it. So you have the exact same code/program sent to every person in the matrix. The slight imperfection in the program makes it so that 1 in a billion or whatever person it can not control and therefore you get the anomally. The one person that has control over the matrix. Thinking of it this way, it makes the Neo "the person in real life" the anomally.

2 - Then you can look at it as almost everyone recieves the same program except for the anomally. The imperfection in the Matrix sends a different program/code to one person very very rarely and the person who recieves it is the anomally.

The first way makes Neo the anomally in real life as opposed to just the person who randomly recieved the anomally of the Matrix program.


Then I even see some problems with Neo being the anomally based on the Architects speech. He refers often that Neo and the previous Ones were "designed" to do this or that. How do you design anything when it comes to an anomally? You can have no control over that. So is Smith the anomally and Neo designed to controll him.

I read one theory that Neo is AI designed to experience love. I like this theory and with that in mind when you watch the architects speech it really looks that way. The most interesting line to me is "Although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human."

Dictionary.com, defines "anomaly" in part as "Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule."

Hmm...I thought the "anomaly" was simply the fact that there was always a certain percentage that rejected the Matrix program. No matter how hard the Architech tried, he could not achieve 100% acceptace of the Matrix program.


Oh well, I'm sure this has been hashed out countless times. But I just discovered this site and and am looking forward to getting more insight into this confusing, yet very cool, trilogy.

There_is_no_spoon wrote:

Hmm...I thought the "anomaly" was simply the fact that there was always a certain percentage that rejected the Matrix program. No matter how hard the Architech tried, he could not achieve 100% acceptace of the Matrix program.

I think there is a difference between those who reject the program and the "anomally". Morpheus and Trinity do not even come close to having the abilities that Neo has. That is what makes him the one anomally as opposed to people who reject the Matrix and then gain a moderate level of control over it.

Shit, computer locked up after a wrote a response. Doh!

Anyway, my understanding is that the "one" is the cure for the anomaly. Yeah, Neo is alot more special than the rest of the anomalies (i.e., rejectors, i.e., freed-mind folks) cuz he's the "one." Neo, Trinity and all the other freed-minds are indeed anomallies. Neo, tho, is extra special in that he has a greater ability to free his mind (or whatever) and is drawn to the Architech where he is supposed to cure the anomaly by keeping the free-minds in check by rebooting the matrix and restarting zion from scratch. (So the free-minds don't grow to a level that becomes a threat to the machines...)

Damnit, now I have to watch the Architech scene yet again (for like the 10th time), you've made me wonder again.

(edit: Oh yeah, and as I seem to understand it, I think Trinity and Morepheus, and the rest of zion are the folks that the machine word and the Matrix do NOT have a moderate level of control over. I would include all the zion folks as the small percentage that the Matrix and machine world has lost total control over (at least when they are not hacked into the matrix).

(edit #2: oops I miss-understood your last sentence. I think Neo is special cuz he was designed by the machines to be special. Designed ultimately to reboot the system and keep the anomaly in check. Trinity and Morph and the others just don't have it in them to be as powerful as Neo. They have definitely freed their minds to a great extent, but, no where near the extent Neo has. Again, since Neo has extra help by the machines themselves purposefully allowing his mind to free more than the others so that he will ultimately grap sac and seek the Architech and then the source to keep the anomally in check. (/end broken record. )

Choice....free-will that is the anomaly..

Doesn't choice (i.e., free will and the fact that choice is not based on mathematical precision but is subject to the vagaries of emotion, etc. which throw logic and reason to the wind, etc.) *cause* the systemic anomaly? Or, rather, is choice *the* systemic anomaly?

Seems like it doesn't make much difference. That's really saying the same thing (I guess).

Hmm...on second thought, maybe the anomaly is not choice or free will, but, rather, is the fact that free will is influenced by emotion that is the anomaly. If choice (i.e., free will) was always governed by what is best under the circumstances, then perhaps the machines could calculate and predict what those choices would always be? The fact that it's governed by emotions, etc. makes choice a problem.

/off to view the Architect speech . . . again.

Neo is the anomoly, not Smith (well, kinda Smith but only to the point to where he is his opposite, he was not originally an anomoly, he was a machine implemented program.)


Neo being the one is a matter of chance brought about by an unbalanced equation in the Matrix coming from people's ability to choose. 99% of all the people in the Matrix go on about there daily lives totally unbeknownst of anything going on, totally content with their daily lives, not really searching for anything more. Then there is that 1% that has that nagging feeling that the world around them is out of whack, or something is just not right. It is these people and their continuous occurence that causes the unbalancing in the Matrix...and after a while, think of it as a big system glitch, ****s out an anomoly..who in turn has a very similar path each time he occurs...and up until now, has always returned to the source, reimplementing the missing piece back into the machine mainframe, rebooting the matrix, and things starting over at square one.


Where Neo is different, rather than accepting that things should go in stride as they always have, rather than being scared into choosing to return to the source (rather than possibly destroying the entire human race) he searches for overall peace as he knows it.



That should help a scoatch.



Ian


Besides...listen to what the agents say at the very beginning of Reloaded, when they bust in the door before the first fight.


"It's him"

"THE ANOMOLY" <<<---- There is right there.

Smith happens to be the anomaly. Granted the the agents called Neo the Anomaly, but then what do they know? The Architect told Neo he was the eventuality of an anomaly, and that interprets to me as he got his powers bcos smith wouldnt quit. just think about it, if smith hadnt shot im, trin wouldnt have told im that she loved im, and he never woulda got up

Architect says to Neo: "You are the eventuality of an anomaly"

That suggests that Neo is not *the* anomaly, but rather is the eventuality or (outcome or restult) of the anomaly. Because of the anomaly (fact that people reject the matrix and want to overthrow it--fight against the machines, etc.), the matrix needs a program--i.e., a One, that can keep the anomaly in check, i.e., by ultimately going to the source and rebuilding zion (and all the free-mind folks) from scratch.

If there was no anomaly (i.e.,100% of the humans accepted the matrix), there would be no need for Neo (i.e., the One).

Thus, I believe Neo is the cure for dealing w/ the anomaly, but is not *the* anomaly.

But, then again, this is all splitting hairs. Neo is so tied to the anomalous situation in the matrix that he could arguably and reasonably be titled the anomaly. He certainly represents the anomaly in that he is there because of the anomaly and his job is to keep the anomaly under control.

No one's right, no one's wrong. That's pretty much what sucks about all of this. THERE ARE NO CONCRETE ANSWERS TO ANY OF THIS CRAP! It be cool, if we were going to get the answers (or at least the writer's perspectives down the road), but probably wont. So I'm running out of steam quickly on all of this. Still fun to bs about it, but w/out answers it's beginning to seem pointless.

You guys are reading too far into this. It was mentioned several times in Reloaded. Though the Architect was using very technical terms, he was basically just saying the One is the only person who won't accept the Matrix, therefore he is an anomoly.

Matrix Matt wrote :

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he was basically just saying the One is the only person who won't accept the Matrix, therefore he is an anomoly.

If Neo is the only one that will not accept the programming of the Matrix, what about Trinity, Morpheus et al ? The anomaly grows as more people are unplugged....

Let me rephrase myself. The anomaly is the One, the One is the anomaly. See the part of Matrix 1 where Morpheus is explaining the One to Neo. He says something about the man born inside the Matrix who could do as he pleases and change whatever he wanted. That is the anomaly. The ONE.

Matrix_Matt, while I totally disagree w/ you, with all due respect of course, how would you define the "anomaly" other than "anomaly = the one."

You don't serious believe that the One is the only human who rejects the Matrix do you?

Thus, anomaly cannot mean "the single person who rejects the matrix," right?

Throwing that definition out, how would you define anomaly? As I mentioned above, I would probably define "the anomaly w/in the Matrix" as simply the fact that there will always be a certain percentage that reject the matrix. That "anomally" is a huge problem since percentage will always create a real challenge for the Architech (and the machines) to keep a handle on and a threat to the integrity of the matrix.

If only one person rejected the matrix, then there probably wouldn't be a problem (or an "anomaly"). What's that one person going to do to bring the matrix to a halt? It would be a problem if that one could convince others to reject the matrix, but then we would have more than one person rejecting the matrix.

In any event, the One is not portrayed in the movies as causing minds to reject the matrix. Rather, minds that have already rejected the matrix are trying to free other minds and, in Morepheus's case, looking for the one.

Oh well . . .

(Edit: sorry I'm an idiot. It appears you basically clarified that you are not really contending that the one is the only person that rejects the matrix. Thus, my ranting against that theory was in vain. Doh!

I am definitely unclear on the stuff about the one person born into the matrix [I guess that "person" would therefore not be 100% human?]. But still I think the anomaly is much more than simply that person, or his reincarnation, i.e., Neo. The Architect's speech totally convinces me of that [at least for the time being ;])

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Architect says to Neo: "You are the eventuality of an anomaly" That suggests that Neo is not *the* anomaly, but rather is the eventuality or (outcome or restult)

No...EVENT of the anomoly would maybe make that statement correct. he is the Eventuality (a possible event or occurrence or a possibility.). Hence, something that will happen EVENTUALLY.


It is Neo.


read my other post above...it explains everything.

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Think about the anomoly (and the anomoly is no everyone in the matrix that rejects the program...they cause the anomoly) being formed in this way...the unbalanced equation:



the equation.

Think about taking a fraction of one-third (one over three). If working it out on paper in fraction form, you can cancel it out very easily. however...take 1 and divide it by something in machine/ program for (like a calculator)....what do you get. .3333333333 ****in over and over again. It is like trying to figure out pi. That is where the anomoly comes from. Think about when the keymaker tells him when he has to open the door, he says it is 314 seconds before the connection is severed and another one is made. 3.14 is pi rounded to 2 decimal places. If you have a program (the Architect) that does EVERYTHING by number crunching and equations, he is gonna have a problem when a REPEATING DECIMAL comes along.


The people that don't accept the matrix cause an unbalance in the equation...like throwing a rock into a clear flat lake, it causes ripples and effects.

Ian

Okay, the major problem for the Architect is that no matter how hard he tries, he can't get 100% of the humans to accept the program, right?

As far as I see it, that's the problem. Presumably the fear (and reality) is that the 1% seek out and try to make more people reject the matrix. The ever increasing percentage of folks who reject the Matrix therefore constitute an every increasing threat to the whole matrix. (and to the machines in the real world w/ an every increase number of folks making up zion (a.k.a. the resistance to the machines).

I don't really like the word anomaly. It's often defined as a deviation from the norm. But it could means lots of things I suppose.

"If you have a program (the Architect) that does EVERYTHING by number crunching and equations, he is gonna have a problem when a REPEATING DECIMAL comes along.

The people that don't accept the matrix cause an unbalance in the equation...like throwing a rock into a clear flat lake, it causes ripples and effects. "

I agree w/ that, but how does that make Neo the "anomaly?" I thought I said the "anomaly" is that there is a rejection of the matrix by 1% or so of the folks. That's the anomalous situation. The numbers don't sync up when there are so many rejectors. Thus, to balance the numbers, the One is created to balance the equation and bring the "anomalous" situation under control (or, rather, in balance).

Because of the anomaly, the matrix needs the One. The One is, thus, NOT the anomaly. It's the One that brings the matrix in balance. The One is more like the anti-anomaly in my book.


Why do people reject the matrix? That's another ball game. I suppose if Neo was the reason why people rejected the Matrix, then perhaps, Neo could be the anomaly. However, the movies don't portray that scenario. Rather, the people who have already rejected the matrix are seeking to free Neo. Tho, perhaps their solely motivated by the concept of the One. In that case maybe Neo is the anomaly--i.e., the cause of people rejecting the matrix and the imbalance in the equation. The One would both be the cause and the cure for the imbalance. That wouldn't make mathematical sense, or would it?

One more day, and I give up on this shit. hehe. THERE ARE NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWERS! Argh!

Peace out!

Another Smith wrote:

Choice....free-will that is the anomaly..

exactly..anomaly is something that is not bound by any parameters.

shailesh wrote:

Another Smith wrote: Choice....free-will that is the anomaly.. exactly..anomaly is something that is not bound by any parameters.

Doesn't choice-free will CAUSE the anomaly? Help me understand why choice is not the cause of the anomaly, but, instead, is as you have suggested THE anomaly?

(I'm going to really carefully read the Architect's speech one more time for the road, then I'm giving up. I think "choice is the anomaly" makes a lot more sense than the "one is the anomaly," but still at the moment prefer thinking of choice as the CAUSE of the anomaly.)

There is no simpler way to explain this. All I have to say is the One is the Anomaly. Just remember in Reloaded when Neo runs upstairs from the meeting because he 'feels', for lack of a better word, the agents coming. What do they say when they knock down the door?
Neo: Hiya, fellas.
Agent Johnson: It's him.
Agent Thompson: The Anomaly.
Agent Jackson: Do we proceed?
Agent Thompson: Yes.
Agent Jackson: He is still...
Agent Johnson...only human.

Neo, and every One, is the anomaly.

The One is the eptiome of the anomaly. No question about it (in my mind). And calling him the anomaly makes sense, it's like a nickname. It's like calling the Architect, "Mr. Matrix" or "hey it's the Matrix." That doesn't mean that the Architect is the Matrix. Rather the Architect could still be the maker of the Matrix. But still calling him Mr. Matrix, or just Matrix, would make sense to those trying to poke fun at him or just saying it tongue in cheek or being condescending, etc.

The problem w/ "the one is the anomaly" is that it doesn't seem to jibe at all with what the Architech is saying. And what I'm wondering is what the hell is the Architect tring to tell us is the anomaly.

Oh well, still haven't re-studied the A's speech. Still want to.

Wish I could just take the agent's comments and leave it at that. But it doesn't make sense. They were just being dickheads, like smith calling him Mr. Anderson. It's condescending. Hard to explain, but their calling him that is not meant to be taken literally IMO.

There_is_no_spoon wrote:

shailesh wrote: Another Smith wrote: Choice....free-will that is the anomaly.. exactly..anomaly is something that is not bound by any parameters. Doesn't choice-free will CAUSE the anomaly? Help me understand why choice is not the cause of the anomaly, but, instead, is as you have suggested THE anomaly? (I'm going to really carefully read the Architect's speech one more time for the road, then I'm giving up. I think "choice is the anomaly" makes a lot more sense than the "one is the anomaly," but still at the moment prefer thinking of choice as the CAUSE of the anomaly.)

I MUST ADMIT THAT I DON,T UNDERSTAND HOW A PROGRAM CAN BE AN ANOMALY. ANOMALY IS AN IRREGULARITY & IF "THE ONE" IS THE PROGRAM ATTACHED TO NEO HOW CAN IT BE AN ANOMALY? I MEAN BEING A PROGRAM - A SET OF INSTRUCTIONS, IT CAN'T BE IRREGULAR.
AND THIS'S WHY I BELIEVE THE ARCHITECT SAYS "WHILE IT REMAINS A BURDEN ASSIDUOLSY AVOIDED, IT IS NOT UNEXPECTED AND [b][b][b]NOT BEYOND THE MEASURE OF CONTROL[/b][/b][/b]".
I MEAN RANDOMNESS OF "THE ONE" PROGRAM CAN'T BE OUT OF CONTROL.
SO PLZ EXPLAIN TO ME HOW NEO'S POWERS ARE BOUNDLESS INSIDE THE MATRIX, THOUGH APPARENTLY.[/img]

Neo is not a PROGRAM. Not completely.



When you think about it, everyone that is MADE or GROWN is part machine. They have to be, there is hardware in there body somewhere for them to be able to jack into the matrix. Also, there is a partial program within everyone...in order to produce a "digital self" It is a translation. So in a way, everyone is a program, but not the same that full programs are (i.e. Merv, Smith, agents...). So, yes, Neo is HUMAN, but in that he is the one, his translation from his body when he is jacked in has a little extra added to it ( the code ) that give him special priviliges. It is like giving someone higher than USER rights when you log onto a network. He doesn't quite have ADMIN rights in that he can't change EVERYTHING.


That is one thing about previous versions of the Matrix, I am not saying that the first anomoly was ALL POWERFUL, but I think that he more powerful than others, but I bet, in that the machines didn't know about him, he did have more control than others, kinda like how Morpheus says "HE WAS ABLE TO CHANGE THINGS AS HE SAW FIT..." just a little piece of info.


Also, note in the Architect's speech, he says that he counts out the versions of the Matrix by counting the EMERGENCE of one anomoly to the next

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The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.

Note ONE....he doesn't say anomolies. He never does. There is only one.



Ian

_tonedef_ wrote:

Neo is not a PROGRAM. Not completely. When you think about it, everyone that is MADE or GROWN is part machine. They have to be, there is hardware in there body somewhere for them to be able to jack into the matrix. Also, there is a partial program within everyone...in order to produce a "digital self" It is a translation. So in a way, everyone is a program, but not the same that full programs are (i.e. Merv, Smith, agents...). So, yes, Neo is HUMAN, but in that he is the one, his translation from his body when he is jacked in has a little extra added to it ( the code ) that give him special priviliges. It is like giving someone higher than USER rights when you log onto a network. He doesn't quite have ADMIN rights in that he can't change EVERYTHING. That is one thing about previous versions of the Matrix, I am not saying that the first anomoly was ALL POWERFUL, but I think that he more powerful than others, but I bet, in that the machines didn't know about him, he did have more control than others, kinda like how Morpheus says "HE WAS ABLE TO CHANGE THINGS AS HE SAW FIT..." just a little piece of info. Also, note in the Architect's speech, he says that he counts out the versions of the Matrix by counting the EMERGENCE of one anomoly to the next Quote: The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version. Note ONE....he doesn't say anomolies. He never does. There is only one. Ian

I AM NOT SAYING THAT NEO IS A PROGRAM, INSTEAD "THE ONE" IS THE TEMPLETE PROGRAM ATTACHED TO NEO.
DO YOU REMEMBER:-

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Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

The Anomaly is FREE-WILL....
Neo is the result of the FREE-WILL of those who are freed from the Matrix.
REMEMBER - Neo doesn't believe in FATE.... He believes that he is in charge of his own life - so in fact he is the result of the anomaly.
As more people are freed from the Matrix, and believe that Neo is the One, so the anomaly grows, and the result (Neo) becomes stronger.
It is amazing what faith & belief can do.... whether it be a belief as a result of others or/and a belief in one's self.

ARCHITECT: Please. As I was saying, she (ORACLE)stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself.

Due to Choice - anomaly emerges. Anything that contributes or cause a threat to the Matrix system will eventually be considered anomaly. Also anything that disrupt the otherwise balanced equation, will be contributing factors to an anomaly.

Smith's radical behavior and Neo' choice are a few example of factors that contributed to the eventual anomaly. I think when some people use the plural "anomalies" they are refering to the many "contributing factors" as "anomalies". This is confusing because there is only one anomaly, but many factors contribute to the "eventual anamoly"

I hope that clears things up.