»EMP«

This just started bothering me, I read an article on EMP in popular mechanics and it was talking about the things that happen to machinery and electronics when an emp goes off. Now my problem isn't with the hovercrafts because I am sure that when the hovercraft is in turnoff mode the zionites have found a way to sheild it from the effects of an EMP. however the holes in anyone freed from the matrix wouldn't be shielded in the same way...

and before I get arguments saying that they would think about this. If the machines knew of a way to protect circutry during an EMP why wouldn't they implement it into the senteniels?

i may be wrong, but i was under the impression that the holes don't have any circuits in them. we know that the only hole that actually counts towards jacking into the matrix is the one at the back of the head because they only use that one to jack in from the real world. but i always regarded that as simply a connection into the brain so it can read the natural bioelectrical signals and feed signals back in. to read the signals doesn't require any kind of circuits, they just need something that can conduct the bioelectrical signals from the brain to the computers.. and the computers are responsible for the rest. since that is the only hole that is needed to jack in, i think we can deduce that the rest are for monitoring and life support reasons, like the IV hole in Neo's arm in M1.

and about the hovercrafts.. i think they are "hardened" to EMP blasts.. and by that, i mean.. it doesn't DESTROY the circuitry, but they aren't so much protected as such. an EMP basically produces a massive power surge in anything with an electric circuit in the blast radius. if the ship's systems are on then the surge is catastrophic, causing significant damage, probably because of the additional power that's already flowing. but when they get the chance to power down, it still causes some damage.. but probably just blowing some fuses or something akin to that. we see that in Enter The Matrix and Revolutions that the ships are disabled after triggering the EMP even when powered down and require a jump-start before they can get back online. so all this indicates that there isn't anything available that can truly protect the machines' circuitry from the EMP.

let me know what u reckon..

emp's only effect circuits which are in use at the time of the emp

hence neo had to be unplugged in m1 before they could use the emp

hence the jeep in broken arrow remained fine but the helicopter crashed

the only conclusion is that the plugs in the people only carry a current when they are plugged into the matrix and so remain unaffected by the emp

I think the plug-hole contains a mechanism that converts zero's and one's to neural-information and vice-versa.

Will this be affected when they are not connected to the Matrix and an EMP is set off?

the anomaly wrote:

emp's only effect circuits which are in use at the time of the emp hence neo had to be unplugged in m1 before they could use the emp hence the jeep in broken arrow remained fine but the helicopter crashed

that's not true.. from the scientific sources i've read EMP blasts INDUCE large voltages and currents into pretty much anything which houses electrical circuits.

also at the end of Enter the Matrix, we see that Niobe & Ghost have plenty of time to land and shut down all the systems on the Logos before triggering the EMP when they are being chased by the sentinels, but the ship is still clearly affected. This is why the Logos needs a jump start at the beginning of Revolutions when the Mjolnir finds them and this seems to confirm that as long as you power down your systems before triggering, there is no permanent damage, presumably because of fuses or circuit-breakers. what is true, is that electrical systems that are in use are MORE affected, but that doesn't mean that systems which are off are unaffected.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

I think the plug-hole contains a mechanism that converts zero's and one's to neural-information and vice-versa. Will this be affected when they are not connected to the Matrix and an EMP is set off?

i don't see any reason for them to have such a mechanism.. all signals in the body are communicated through bio-electricity. therefore it does not need converting.. it is already an electrical signal.. and it's not too much of a push for a computer to be able to interpret the body's electrical signals by itself.

interesting

you go on the premise that the same thing would have happened to the neb at the end of m1 although it is not shown...

i dont know much about the physics of it myself so im just going on what little knowledge i have about nuclear enduced emp

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yeah they don't show it at the end of M1, but notice the darkness inside the Neb.. i dunno if you've seen/played it but.. they show us a bit more of what happens after a ship triggers its EMP at the end of Enter the Matrix when Niobe & Ghost are escaping the sentinels and have to fly into unchartered territory. After setting off the EMP they sit in the darkness and Ghost asks Niobe if she thinks they'll find them, since the Logos is now paralysed until another ship can help them.. when the Mjolnir does find them Niobe tells them "you can put that shit away... all she needs is a jump".

About the conversion:

The zero's and one's from the digital world have to be converted to bio-electrical signals. Maybe this can be achieved simple by two little holes at the inside-end of the plug-hole: one little hole for zero's and one little hole for one's. This way you won't need any circuits or anything.

You are right about Enter the Matrix, but it is not the Mjolnir is it? It's the Hammer.

wAkE_uP_nEo wrote:

yeah they don't show it at the end of M1, but notice the darkness inside the Neb.. i dunno if you've seen/played it but.. they show us a bit more of what happens after a ship triggers its EMP at the end of Enter the Matrix when Niobe & Ghost are escaping the sentinels and have to fly into unchartered territory. After setting off the EMP they sit in the darkness and Ghost asks Niobe if she thinks they'll find them, since the Logos is now paralysed until another ship can help them.. when the Mjolnir does find them Niobe tells them "you can put that shit away... all she needs is a jump".

i didnt think the logos had time to power down in reloaded but the neb did in m1

would this make any difference

we need somebody with some good physics knowledge in here

the anomaly wrote:

i didnt think the logos had time to power down in reloaded but the neb did in m1 would this make any difference we need somebody with some good physics knowledge in here

for a start.. you don't see what happens to the Logos in Reloaded.. its only in Enter the Matrix. Secondly, i already mentioned it makes a difference.. even if you power your systems down, the EMP induces an electrical surge in the circuits, but as i already explained.. if you're powered down, it appears that the systems are protected from damage by fuses. Which is why the Logos only needs a jump at the beginning of Revolutions, it doesn't need repairs. If your systems are powered up, then the EMP will actually cause damage to the circuits which would then require repairs.

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

You are right about Enter the Matrix, but it is not the Mjolnir is it? It's the Hammer.

No...they are actually one and the same. They just call it the Hammer for ease of reference. In Norse mythology "Mjolnir" is the name of Thor's hammer. The ship that everyone refers to in the movies as "The Hammer" is in fact really called "Mjolnir".

Mobil_Ave_Neo wrote:

The zero's and one's from the digital world have to be converted to bio-electrical signals. Maybe this can be achieved simple by two little holes at the inside-end of the plug-hole: one little hole for zero's and one little hole for one's. This way you won't need any circuits or anything.

about this whole conversion thing.. i really fail to see why you would design so anything other than the COMPUTER would have to do any conversion. it is more than possible to make a machine that can convert binary data into a corresponding bioelectrical signal.. in fact they already have microchips that do something along those lines.. they made a man who was blind for 30 years see again.. it only works on a certain type of blindness.. his eyes actually functioned properly but the part was damaged which converts the light into a bioelectrical signal which is interpreted by our brain as the image. they inserted a microchip behind his eye that took the image and converted it to a signal that the brain can read.. so why would u need anything in the sockets? the binary data could be converted into the bioelectricity by the computer.

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i'm not sure if i agree with that statement. yes, there are definitely ways in which they can improve the protection against EMP. however, there are many practical considerations that must be accounted for.

for instance, the cost of shielding which you mentioned was $1000/square metre in 1986. this should not be regarded as negligible. $1000 in 1986, is the equivalent of around $1605 by 2002 standards (http://www.westegg.com/inflation/) ok let's think about this for a second.. just for example's sake.. take the latest F/A-18 Hornet, a mere 2-seater fighter plane.. TINY compared to a matrix hovercraft. it has a combined surface area of approximately 78.28 square metres (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-18.htm) just that small plane alone would cost around $125,640 to shield its exterior.

ok, so that's still maybe a realistic figure but bear in mind this fighter is nothing compare to hovercraft. i tried looking around but i didn't see any info on the dimensions of a matrix hovercraft, but just for argument's sake.. i'll use a cruise ship as an example.. the total surface area of one ship i looked at was 750,000 square metres. (http://www.ship-technology.com/projects/rhapsody/rhapsody3.html) now, in my estimation.. a hovercraft is probably a lot smaller than a cruise ship, but i wanted to use this as a way to help my estimation of size.. so again, hypothetically speaking.. lets assume that a hovercraft is ONE QUARTER the size of the cruise ship. even then, it would still cost over $300 MILLION to shield ONE ship a quarter of the size of a cruise ship.

let's not forget that all hovercrafts have antenna to transmit/receive data and points like that on the ship's exterior provide weak points where the EMP would penetrate.

i am not trying to offer anything in the way of conclusions, but i simply wanted to illustrate the problems which the humans in zion face with protecting a hovercraft COMPLETELY from EMP.

in my opinion, it might be more likely that they would choose to protect certain crucial systems by shielding on the interior of the ship. this might explain why the logos remained otherwise undamaged in any essential way at the end of Enter the Matrix/Reloaded, but still required a jump start at the beginning of Revolutions. I have always thought that it seems from this evidence that the ships MUST be affected by the power surge, but there exists something akin to a circuit breaker or fuse which protects the circuits from permanent damage.

I haven't seen people in Zion actually working to make a living. So I don't think they even have money to begin with. I mean, they don't use money as a way of buying things. So the cost of EMP protection is irrelevant.

Also, I never said they could guard a ship COMPLETLY against EMP. That is evident when the Logos fires the EMP in Enter The Matrix to kill the sentinels that were chasing them and then they had to stay there until another ship came to rescue them.

Regarding what you said about the radio and the antenna, in Revolutions Bane was inside the Logos with Trinity and Neo, and since they couldn't return to help them, it would be logical to think that they should have tried to warn them by contacting them on the radio but they didn't. Why? Simply because the radio system was down after the EMP and needed extensive repair to get it working again.

it doesn't matter whether or not people use money in Zion.. money is not a wholly artificial concept.. but to some degree is a measure of the resources, labour or difficulty in which certain items, goods or services can be obtained or procured. so you see.. just because they don't have money.. doesn't change a simple fact.. EMP shielding is expensive because it is DIFFICULT to achieve.. this is true whether you pay for it or not.. the lack of economy in Zion would not negate this fact.

and the point about the antenna was a bigger issue that you addressed.. yes the EMP could have knocked out the radio.. but even from the website you cited for the EMP information.. it said that areas such as antennas on aircraft would have to be REMOVED COMPLTELY because it is not just the antenna which is exposed.. it provides a weak point through which the ENTIRE system is exposed.

i am not trying to offer a definitive answer.. i simply aim to show that EMP shielding is not a "simple" task by any means.. and that there plenty of hypothetical reasons as to why the hovercraft do not have a more effective means of combating the effects of EMP, compared to that displayed in the movies.

I don't think EMP resistence on the hovercratfs was at all feasible or possible. Even if they could do it it would hinder its operations. No im not saying it would weigh it down or whatever but the more crap you put on something, the less effectively it works. And yes I agree about the 'expensive' bit. Lack of economy would not matter. Heck even economies in our exisstence do not have no real status. If we all suddenly said, i don't think paper money is worth any value. Then it wouldn't. Money only exsists if the citizens of the economy accept it. Therefore anything can be money. But the labor for them would be the factor. If it would be possible ot equip a hovercraft with it i still don't think it would be feasible labor wise.

total theory

the hover craft like the neb etc use electro magnatism to hover...so they must have been built with a degree of protection to protect them from their owm engines

anomaly is so right about this one.

actually you are right. I never did think about it like that. They must have some shielding. But back to my point i don't think it would be feasable to put the amount that would be needed to shield it from the large blast of an emp. Plus connecting this to the other topic under questions about EMPs... if it IS inside the ship it would be impossible to shield the ship itself from the blast. Outer protection would not block it out.

here is yet another link on the applications of an electromagnetic weapon

its notable that a nuclear detonation produced emp acts differently from a synthetically produced emp

have fun reading...about explosively pumped coaxial flux compression generators

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