»4th Matrix?«

The producers along with the brothers themselves have said that there will not be a 4th movie. Is that really true? With the success of Reloaded and Revolutions the idea of a 4th movie is normally a grantee. Whether it is made by the Wachowskis or not...well. It is most likely that the series is done with, but it was 25 years before the 4th Star Wars. Regardless here is the first 4 pages of a screen "treatment" for another matrix film. The treatment takes place before Neo and Morpheus but includes characters such as the Train Man and Merv and even deals with the creation of Smith. It starts out something like the first film but (having read the entire thing) it does change drastically.

MATRIX: INSURRECTION


BASES ON THE MATRIX
BY
ANDY AND LARRY WACHOWSKI


(A TREATMENT FOR A FEATURE FILM SCREENPLAY)

BY

DAVID FRANCIS


MATRIX: INSURRECTION

A shrill howl shatters the dark silence. A smooth stealth like craft ascends into frame. A shot along the dorsal running lights reveals the ship’s designation, the THEOS.

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A piercing cut leads into the operation deck. The cold hum of the computer core offsets the smooth décor of the Theos. Panning across a young dark-haired man is seen in a coma like stasis on a futuristic cot or gurney. Rev, the man, suddenly quakes as if from a shock.

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Inside the Matrix Rev combats a mysteriously expressionless man, an Agent. The agent is matching block for punch with Rev and soon sends Rev hurling across the empty warehouse.

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In the Thoes Jet, Theos’ female operator, slides from behind her consult and calls out for Serial. Serial appears as if from no-where and ask, “what the hell is going on.” The middle aged captain leans over Rev as he is told that Rev is fighting and agent.

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Rev picks himself up from the ground and stands ready for another attack. The agent advances again matching blow for blow with Rev. In desperation Rev catches the right arm of the agent and sends him crashing to the ground. While the agent is still in the air Rev turns to run with time stopping speed. As the agent slowly begins to stand Rev dives out a nearby window.

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Rev painfully lands on a dumpster. Cringing Rev rolls of the top of the dumpster and onto his feet. Stumbling into a run he cuts across the busy street the agent behind him.

Rev turns the corner and pushes his way through the dense crowd. He sees a traffic cop and with lighting speed takes his gun and begins shooting at the now closing agent. The crowd scatters as the agent doges each shot and returns fire. The cop is caught in the return cross fire and falls dead.

Again Rev turns to trying to get away and the agent to the pursuit. Rev makes is about a block when he comes across a black crowbar. Kicking it with his foot it ascends straight into his hand just has the agent reaches for him. Rev brings around the bar and strikes the agent in the side of the head sending him over the hood of a nearby car.

The agent stands to his feet unfazed. Rev makes his way through a nearby alley and into the back of a small building. He passes through a bar and a Chinese kitchen before reemerging on the street. Sirens can be heard in the background.

Rev runs into the street and stops the first approaching car. He forces the driver out with brute force and takes the car.

A few seconds later the agent emerges from the restaurant and looks around. With a pan the agent slides out of frame. The edge of a building explodes as a fire truck cuts the corner into it, the agent is the driver.

The fire truck stays in hot pursuit of the stolen car and reaps havoc on the surrounding city. Eventually both vehicles emerge on to an interstate. Rev looks up as he is covered by the shadow of a helicopter. The combat chopper is piloted by Serial and flies out in front of the two land vehicles. It begins to hover and turns facing the oncoming cars. Serial fires two rockets into the fire truck.

The front of the emergency vehicle explodes into flames and drifts off the median coming to a crashing halt.

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Rev returns to consciousness as he is unplugged by Serial. He sits up and groans with pain. Serial ask him what went wrong but Rev can’t explain it. He says, “it seems like the bastards were waiting on me.” Serial is concerned about their next target.

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Jeremiah Johnson sits in uncommonly dense traffic. He looks down at his speedometer and makes a comment about not even moving. Frustrate he shifts into park.

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Arriving at work late Jeremiah ascends in the elevator of the Arista Records building. Exiting from the elevator onto the 15th floor he receives a call on his cell phone. Its is boss, a record producer. Jeremiah enters the studio and the producer continues to lecture him over the phone from across the room. Jeremiah explains that there was some kind of explosion on the interstate and sets down behind the mixer. He presses the intercom button and tells the performer she can begin.

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There are only two "real possibilities" for a 4th matrix movie.

1. Continue the series with a forward progression of time. At the end of revolutions the war is over, but how long will the peace last. This movie could deal directly with the complications of unplugging the millions of people set to be released in this time of peace. There could be remaining waring factions ect... Or this film could take place even further in the future when the peace finally ends. Full scale war both inside and out of the matrix.

2. The most popular idea is one of the prequal. A movie before the movies. It could deal with the original creation of the matrix and the begining of the war. Or it could be later on once the matrix has been created and the freeing of the first human minds. Or "most likely" it could be a movie that takes place during some other unknown time during the existence of the matrix and be disjointed from the first two. In this one Merv, the Train Man, Smith, Orical, and the Architech are reconizable characters that could be used linking the future to the past.

3. The only other idea is most impratical for a feature film. It would delve deeper into the sci fi world including some form of time travle. It would some how link together the past, present and future pivoting around one central character who is struggling to explain in his own mind hiw uncontrable leeps through time. A good example of this kind of film would be the mini series that ended Star Trek Next Generations. Obviously nothing alike it remains the best example of the time travel around.

Personally I favor the 2nd idea. An ungiven time in the matrix with new characters. I found a screen treatment and posted the first four pages of it on here under (4th matrix?). It is really pretty good and though it starts off with some simularities to the first film it differes quickly. This treatment deals with the Merv and the Train Man quite a bit and even the birth of Smith.

It won't happen. I really don't want to explain why again... One big reason is most critics tore the last two movies apart. Everyone I had talked to that didn't see any of the movies had no desire to. Many people that saw all three hated the last two, especially the ending. I say, just let us Matrix obessors enjoy this trilogy. If they make another, I am sure we will all go see it and many of us will love it. I just don't see it happenning.

I am by no means a martix obsessor. I just enjoyed the three movies like they were ment to be. I dont try to over analize and really dont care to. The plain simple fact is it is always nice to hope. Especally for those Matrix obsessors out there. The one mistake is assuming that the critics tore either of the last two movies apart. None of the movies did bad critically and Reloaded was given thumbs up by Ebert and Roper. In fact Ebert is quoted to have said it is one of the better films of the year. The problem with die hard matrix fans is they just wanted the first film extended. If they had it there way they would have extended the first film several hours till everyone was tierd then kill off all the villains and be done. The fact is Reloaded was the best possible answere to a call for a sequal that could be done and (except for the ending) Revolutions was the best possible conclusion. Although there are changes that can be made looking back on the films they are the best they could ever be. The fact is all sequals dissapoint but not because of what they are, they disapoint because of high held expectations from its die hard fans. So basically just sit back and enjoy what we have, and dream of what could be.

Very very well put. But I do consider myself a Matrix obsessor and feel the need to analyze the movies to feel the satisfaction that I fully understand them. But you are right and everyone here that posts a thousand and one theories should read your comment.

well first, would love the un answered questions well answered! and well not to have shit ending like revolations, and more stuff on the other characters.. or may be just do a prequeal.. um.. more guns tho!

Hey look you guys out there the section of the treatment I posted is only four pages. Dont be so damned lazy as not to read it and give me you opinions.

I am all for people playing around with ideas for more matrix films. Sometimes very normal people can have very good ideas. Here is the thing. Thoughout this web site I continueally come across people who say matrix fans need to do a movie, write it, ect... The fact is matrix fans (for the most part) dont know anything about story telling or film making. Just give up on it if you think matrix fans are the ones who need to make a film. The fact is there most likely wont be another film, at least not by the bros. but if there were to be one the last thing one would want to do is have it written or conceptualized by anything more then a casual fan. Its fine to dream up ideas and is something well to be expected. Just dont go off thinking that any fan or group of fans has any right to make a film. Leave the film making to the filmmakers. There are alot of great ideas out there but many of them are too far reaching for a movie and/or thought up by those who have no concept of film making.

Now that I have said that have fun with you ideas. Let them fill up the pages of this web site. And there may be those out there who are casual fans who have created scripts or treatments that are good. In fact the ony attached to this page is very good, but the writer was no die hard fan. That is that way it should be.

i heard there was going to be a prequal about a younger morpheus dunno, just what i heard. reply if anyone has heard anything also

"MATRIX: INSURRECTION"...

it should start with a letter "R" as in M2 and M3

Matrix: resurrection? heh

The idea for the name insurrection directly relates to the movie. Honestly makeing the movie start with R is too over done and quite frankly the name resurrection doesnt work. Just read the plot summary.

Just getting on top of the post.

haha i noe i was just bein silly =P

Well, I have two Ideas for the matrix 4.one of them is what I would call an epilogue of Revolutions.
Neo has returned to the Source (as was evident in Revolutions)along with Agent Smith of course.Basically,it's about Neo trying to get out of the Source and return to his body'with the help of a programme with no name.since this is the Souce ,it is inhabited by unused programmes,along with neo's precedessors,who remained in the Source.now the Idea was that because of Neo's love for Trinity,he evetually gets out ,but Trin died in revolutions.(no one has ever succeeded in getting out of the Source)

The other idea could be the basis for another trilogy.the ar is over but the machines wont release the humans plugged in the matrix untill the sky is restored( after all,where would the machines get their power from?)so ther's another prophercy about another One (this is set many years after rev) who will make the sky normal.now I haven't quit figured out of he/she is suppose to do that.
Anyway, a programme called the seeker is made to finde the One .this programme always knows where the one is.Since there is now peace ,the humans and Agents don't fight each other.But some of the machines don't want the peace.most of them flock to Merovingian who is also oppossed to peace.
The rebel machines plan to build a massive macine to destroy Zion.meaqn while ,the seeker turns evil, and as the ones powers expand,the Seeker also expands.the Seeker you see is the Evil One, the other part of the equation,and it's his purpose to balance it.

What a load of codswallop!

Neo has finished with his body. He ain't going back to it now.

The machines are not about to break their promise just because the sky is scorched! There are enough people who don't want to leave the matrix for machines to continue to survive.

A sequel would have to be a prequel because the matrix revolutions was too complete an ending. Perhaps involving the original set up of Zion by the previous one, Morpheus' quest to find the one, Seraphs escape from the Meravingion and his battles with Smith we have heard about. Perhaps Seraph would start off as bad? Anyway roll on the prequel!

I agree with Fatpie, i dont think it is possible to continue forward with another matrix movie with any success. One major problem would be the complexaty of the story. Its like tuning into a long running television series 4 seasons in. To many characters and too much back story for new audiences to absorb. A prequal is the only relevent option. Plus what makes the matrix films mysterious is the computer world around them. How they interact with it and it responds to them. With the idea of restoring the sky you loose the ability to keep the movie contianed inside the matrix. Plus its not clever and to far reaching to make since beyond a porly writen comic idea. LAter

i agree with coldNovember...

three movies thats enough... too much information we're absorbing. The second movie already dumped the audience with much more new stuff...

the third was simpler but the source, fight with smith and all that too much...

and they didn't do very well on the 3rd movie... so doing a fourth movie can be a waste

If there is any chance of another film it would most definately have to be a prequal. Personally I think the series is done for, at least for now, but for those out there who want to believe they must believe that the only viable solution is to start again. Make a film before neo and dont show obivous connections, keep the main plot independent. I the movie depends on any other prior knowledge then, though it might not be a failure, it wont reach new audiences. Keep it simple, reinvent and start again. If there were to be one make it more like the first film then the others. Relate things but dont make it obvious, make it to where someone who has never seen any of the other movies can come and understand the new one.

Again though I say I personally am not waiting for another film. I am just explaining what one can do and what one cant do. LAter

Why doesn't somebody ask Sophia Stewart what is next?

there simply wont be another film... the bro's said it the cast said it... and i must admit even tho im not a gret fan of keanu reeves i general he is an excellent choice for the matrix and a film could not be made without him, and there definately couldnt be one without Hugo weaving... i'm sorry it wouldnt do it for me...

i loved the films... was slightly dissapointed by the trilogies ending but its better left alone now if they added a prequel it would turn into a cheesey star wars rip off kinda thing which just didnt work for them and it wont work for matrix

101 wrote:

Why doesn't somebody ask Sophia Stewart what is next?

becasue agents were dispatched to "take care" of her

Nekura wrote:

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there simply wont be another film... the bro's said it the cast said it... and i must admit even tho im not a gret fan of keanu reeves i general he is an excellent choice for the matrix and a film could not be made without him, and there definately couldnt be one without Hugo weaving... i'm sorry it wouldnt do it for me...

Here's a very sensible reply to the whole 'Matrix 4' question...
A Matrix 4 is a definate no-no. The trilogy is a masterpiece and should be left as it is.
The Brothers and the Cast have ALL stated that there will be no more Matrix Films, and they have stated this many times, in many interviews.
They couldn't make another Matrix in my opinion because of the obvious casting problems...It just wouldn't be the same without the original and best members of the cast that we have all grown to love and respect in their individual portrayals of the characters... It just couldn't be done...

I do not wish to be a stick in the mud, but I am not a Matrix fan. I do however have a very great deal of philosophical insight and knowledge and I know that the Wachowskies did not use any. It was a topic mentioned and quotes were hinted, but the story in its entirity did not contain it.

I have read and written many essays about the "philosophy of The Matrix" trilogy and it is only used for explaining the final film.
However, I knew how the final film would take place/end shortly after viewing the second one.

I absolutely hate The Matrix: Reloaded; I believe it to be the worst movie of all time. I believe that it had contradicted itself and defined redundancy very well. Because of its abnormal nature to do so, it contradicted its existence. Not just as a film, but also as the story belonging to it. Therefor the Third instalment did not exist because,

1) It followed the second. If the second did not happen, the third can not as well.
2) I knew how it was to end. Although...

I do not wish to cause any harm. I am not a troll, nor do I flame. I simply came here to introduce myself before asking this particular question:

-Neo realised that when one of them (himself or Smith) was to exist the other could not die. It took Smith a while to realise that, but finally so did he. Neo realised that he must truly kill himself in order to kill Smith. That was the sacrifice of The One. He sacrificed himself in order to rid the planet of his opposite.
The question being is that when Smith assimilated the entire planet (inside the matrix), he was later destroyed. Every other Smith on that planet was destroyed as well. That means that there are no more humans on that planet; living inside The Matrix.
Why did Wachowskies write that and if that is so, how can you CONTINUE the The Matrix films?

Thank you for your time and pleasure.

while your understanding of philosophy may be great...i think because of your dislike of the matrix...then your understanding of the films is flawed...

for example you say that when the smiths were destroyed then there were no more humans in the matrix...

although we do not see any after the smith scene...we have to remember the qualities of the agents...while "normal agents" "jump" from person to person,smith replicated OVER...and as such i believe that when smith was destroyed(just as when an agent is destroyed...see m1 when trintiy does the "dodge this" scene)the shell of smith disapears leaving behind its original human residual self image

as for you saying that there was absolutely no philosophy in the matrix

go to the philosophy section in the official matrix site and you can argue with the professionals on that subject

although sometimes i do think myself that it was a bit psuedo philosophical

OMFG, we have all been talking absolute shit all these months...
I think we had better all go and see shrinks for we've all been seeing things that are not there....
A GRAND GROUP DELUSION....All the Matrix Fans must be delusional...How many Matrix Forums are there on the net?

I'm almost finished writing my thesis on the Matrix Trilogy...Looks like I'm in serious trouble people....I was given advice by a certain Dr of Philosophy regarding The Matrix Trilogy....He must be delusional too..