»New tentative explanation of Neo stopping the Sentinels.«

I am starting to explore a new explanation of how Neo stopped the Sentinels. It's still a draft, but I'd like to share it and collect comments and opinions.


Premise: Although I haven't yet understood it, there surely is a strong connection between Neo and the machines: he is expected, he is led by many programs (Oracle, Keymaker, etc.) towards The Source, he is the sixth occurrence of The One, they count on him to end the anomaly, to reinsert the original code, etc. etc.



Untill his meeting with the Architect Neo was convinced that his task as The One, as Morpheus told him after disconnecting him, was to '...hail the distruction of The Matrix...', so he had been fighting against it.

But after meeting The Architect (and after reviving Trinity) he talks with Morpheus in the Neba telling him he understood that is not his task: the profecy is a lie.

Now that he no longer believes the Oracle but what the Architect told him and he's ready and going to accept his 'real' role, he no longer is an enemy for the machines, but the most important element in the playground that must be protected in order to allow him to fulfill his task.

Somehow, because of their connection, the machines know his beliefs have changed and his fighting them has ended.

But the squids are already launching an attack. Maybe the squids operate autonomously, or probably they are programmed to attack any human they find without discriminating. Anyway, there's no way to stop them immediately so that they don't destroy Neo. The only solution is making him 'feel' them and giving him the power to stop them. This can be done safely now that he has accepted his destiny and is no longer an enemy. And this the machines can do because of their connection with him.


The episode of neo stopping the Sentinels ('Something's different') happens immediately after he has discarded the Oracle words (and role) and accepted those of the Architect. I believe this is not a coincidence. These two changes, follow one immediately after the other.


Let me know waht you think of this. Is this worth elaborating further?

I'm not sure I fully understand where you're coming from, I seem to make out that Neo has believed what the Architect has told him, and this causes him to not be an enemy of the machines, and now the machines know what Neo is all about.
Don't the machines work in a similar way to the Architect? They see everything as part of many equations. But, in the beginning (referring to SR) weren't the machines made as humans?

all I'm confused.

I'm sorry but I cannot understand what you mean by machines and Architect working in a similar way. Which is that way? And also which implications come from the machines being originally made as humans. Sorry. Probably it's my fault, I'm not mother language.


What I was trying to shape is that, somehow, when Neo rejects the Oracle and embraces the Architect the machines start protecting him. That is the 'change' that Neo feels.

The immediate threat are the sentinels, they go blindly against every human, and the machines empower Neo to defeat them.


The details still have to be tuned.

Now it seems to make more sense to me, that the machines are on Neo's side now because he is starting to look from their point of view. However, I think this is not so because Neo does not completely reject the Oracle, he just starts to question her and what she tells him.
As she says in the second matrix, she is also a program and he will have to decide whether or not to trust the Oracle. We are shown that neither the system nor many other programs want her in the Matrix.
But, after visiting her again, she tells him all that she knows.
Also, the machines go on to attempt to eliminate Neo, although it could be (as you said) they lack the programming or knowledge to distinguish Neo from all the other humans, thus your theory could have some good basis and points that many of us may not of thought of.
A connection is made by the machines and Neo, as we see all the sentinels go to attack and he is able to sense them. This may have something to do with his visit to the Architect, I remember he rambles on briefly about Neo's conscious being altered.

As for the relation between the machines and the Architect, I was thinking that as they are part of the same system that they will use science and maths to choose what they should do. This is just a guess I made, but it does seem to make sense.

What I meant by the machines being originally made as humans was that (and this is from Animatrix) humans made robots as a likeness of humans.

I like the idea, though.

Neo is bridging the gap between the machines as Agent Smith is bridging the gap to the humans... Just as Agent Smith learned to Hack into the "real world", Neo is learning to hack the machines. In essence, it is showing that humans and machines actually have a lot in common.

BTW... these are not my ideas, but what I have read, and completely agree with.

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I think dc_bender is on the right path. The machines are not aware of Neos unprecedented growth after he leaves the architect. I believe the Architect is aware of some things that are different in Neo than his predicessors but I dont think he knows to what level. This is evidenced by the Architects surprise at Neo saying the Architect hadn't answered his first question. He states "that was quicker than the others". He also states that Neos conschiousness has been altered. The Oracle also states that the Architect cant see past any choice he makes. I think these things lead to the fact that no machine expected Neo to evolve as he has. Possibly the only machine to see this was the Oracle. I believe Neo is evolving not only as a Lucid Dreamer in the matrix but also in the real world mentally. This is happening in parrallel with Smiths evolution. Neo has developed his mind in such a way that he has developed a 6th sense. He can see the machines with out natural site, he can sense the machines with out natural senses etc, he can touch the machines beyond physical touch. He develops this 6th sense and touches the source, the main control point of all the machines, before he can understand what he has done. This sends him to the train station - seperating his mind from his body. its like touching a hot stove before you realize what you have done. It shocked him and he does not understand. As he gains knowledge and understanding of what this 6th sense does for him he becomes able to touch the "hot stove" and not get burned. I believe the sentinals have a rudimentary programming but are also an extension of the source (machine god/dues-ex machina) what ever you want to call him. The sentinals are his senses. In a sense the machine god reached out to swat Neo like a fly at the end of reloaded and Neo was able to swat the machine gods "hand" away. I think it was as much a surprise for the machine god as it was Neo.

Thoughts?

Starbuck

What I noticed might be a point of confusion is that I am talking about 'the machines' as somehow opposed to the sentinels, but these too are machines.

Most probably not all machines share the same knowledge. The sentinels have a specific task and thus have a specific programming. I believe they don't need and weren't programmed with all the knowledge the Architect has of why there is a Matrix, of what is expected from the One, etc. The processing of any information irrelevant to their direct task would consume extra machine cycles and uselessly slow the sentinels down.


What I meant with 'the Machines' was not all of them, but that 'central intelligence' (in the sense of AI) that has a global view, that has a purpose and that 'decides'. The one that Neo reaches in the end. The sentinels are a tool of this 'intelligence' but not part of it

I hope this exlains it a little better.

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Neo has developed his mind in such a way that he has developed a 6th sense.

I was struggling to keep metaphisics or 'magic' out of the explanation. This is what I would definitely prefer. It's a matter of personal taste, so I am not opposing nor criticizing those who have different preferences. Personal choices are and must stay free.

I definitely would prefer avoiding turning the Matrix into Hogwarts and Neo into Harry Potter. (BTW, if you're wondering... my Harry comes from Tuttle, not Potter)

So this is why I was trying to keep things like "Neo acquires clarvoyancy and telekinetic powers" or "He transcends to a higher level of existance" or "He acquires the ability to impose his will over the phisical world" (isn't this the definition of Magic?) out of the plot.

I believe the Matrix is meant to be SciFi, not Fantasy. If so, magic powers and objects becaming animated (in the real world) should be kept out of it.
It's not the Dark Lord Machinuron creating the Mouse of Power, that falls into the hands of the least expected creature, the HackerBit Neo.
It's not that when Neo holds the Mouse of Power he can see into the shadowy world of the machines, impose his hands and cast a spell to stop the sentinels.
It's not the Dark Lord's servant Architectuman the White fighting against Morphandalf the Black.

(I know this is a bit irreverent, please forgive me, it was much fun writing )

I was trying to keep it 'real'. I believe the first movie, while far beyond our current abilities, still is scientifically consistent. But I'm having a hard time finding an explanation for the second and third ones that does not need the introduction of a Deus Ex Machina of the (weaker) old Greek dramas.

It would seem that this time has been different from every other time, and that Neo has got through a lot quicker than anyone expected. Thus, he can do things that no one has seen before, because he is doing everything quickly and is able to do more in a smaller amount of time. This would mean the machines wouldn't be able to prepare for several things he does and makes happen in the movie, such as when he flies to the machine world.
What I meant by 'make happen' is Smith. We are told that Smith is there because the Architect is trying to balance the equation, and if Neo becomes stronger, then Smith must also.
Neo = Smith
Of course, the Architect underestimated the power of which Neo had, and just let Smith grow as strong as Neo. If Neo had not defeated Smith, what state would the Matrix have been in?

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Im looking at this through metaphors.

Neo is the one ....as in one with everything, no separation.one with the machines.
(does your body end and begin with your skin?)

When neo sees himself as separate (duality) then there is conflict, him against the machines.(two separate entities).

Neo, Agents, oracle in fact all the characters are the same thing, all one .

My theory is that in the first movie when Neo hacked agent smith the two of the were joined as one briefly, then they were ripped apart causing them to lose parts of themselves to each other, they each gained qualities of each other that is not fully realized until the third movie. Agent Smith becomes in his own words like a human such that he becomes a virus spreading across the world (he describes humans like this to Morpheus) also he appears to become bound to the world in the matrix, like neo was in the moment the divide happened. Meanwhile Neo becomes partly machine or smith program (not to the extent of Bane obviously) he can now save souls easier than anybody else, change the matrix and go into it like a machine can and feel/see machines in the real world.