»Another approach/perspective or view on the MwM theory (NEW)«

Oops! I posted this in the wrong spot so if you've read this already somewhere else, than forgive me.

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Hi guys,

First off, this is not a theory, its just me thinking out loud so don't reply with "Your wrong, your theory is flawed, no evidence blah blah" I'm not trying to prove anything here, its just something I believe hasn't been looked at yet ok from what I have read. I'm not trying to upset anyone here, it's just my opinion ok.

I've read almost all of the posts on the MwM theories, read both sides of the argument/debate and after a lot of thinking and re-reading I really don't believe there is a Matrix within a Matrix for some literal and real examples/points taken from "real life" and what the W. brothers are really like. I don't present any new "evidence" argueing one way or another - that has already been done to death but I believe this approach hasn't been looked at yet and needs too so bear with me.

Another movie (I think it was called "The 13th Floor" or the "23rd Floor", "The 13th Gate", something like that) was released prior to Matrix 1 where the main character finds out right at the end that there is another protecting world just like the MwM theory. While this movie was crap, the idea was brilliant and I thought to myself, this will and now has been used again ie The Matrix trilogy to make an incredible story. After reloaded, I remember all the geaks and hardcore fans all aggreeing on the forums and chatrooms that there was a MwM because of Neo stopping the squiddies. Everyone was so certain that this was going to be explained and that was going to be the ending. But this theory went out the window after the first 20 minutes more or less after it is explained that Neo seprated his mind from his body and touched the source and why he is in the Mobil Avanue which is a anagram for the word LIMBO which is where you go when you wait to go to heaven or hell in biblical texts.

So before I went to see Revolutions I thought to myself, that a MwM ending would be so corny, cheap and almost a little too easy and unispiring for the genious work of the W. brothers so far. Also this would be a complete ripoff of the above mentioned movie and for lack of a better word really "corny" and probably the easist way to end the movie, something the W. Brothers aren't known for. I think there is no way they wanted a MwM because everyone would guess that (and everyone did after M2) so they went for something different and unexpected and left it open (I knew they would leave it so open to interpration rather then finish it up in a nutshell)

So if you disregard all the facts or opinions in the others posts and just look at it from the W brothers view, I am almost certain that they wouldn't chose the MwM theory because it so easy to think of and almost everything in their movies are new and you don't guess until seeing it. How many times in the Matrix saga were you like "Whoa! I didn't see that coming or like that is so cool and original". They would have been like "Hey Larry/Andy, everyone's gonna think its a MwM, lets like shake it up and do something different to skrew with the minds of our fans". Think about it, are the W brothers known for simplicity and 100% understanding or do they like you to think for yourself and take away from it what you want. Sometimes I wonder if they even know the real truth. Another famous brother director duo, The Coen Brothers are also known for this approach, leaving endings open, letting you decide for yourself and when interviewed, they admit that they don't even completely understand their own movies and/or some of the endings of these classic films.

So don't flame this with "proof" of a MwM theory, I've read it all above and I must admit you guys present an amazing arguement both ways but I just don't buy it from the W brothers perspective and its also its a gut feeling that Zion is real and they are now saved. I guess time will tell as to who is right, maybe we are all wrong and its something completely different? Any thoughts?

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I just remembered that there is this great site that argues against the MwM theory amongst a whole lot of other things and is by far the best collection of thoughts and theories I have ever read on the Matrix trilogy. You might not agree with a lot of his thoughts, you may agree with it all (I found myself agreeing with most of it - he explains it so well) but it is worth a read for sure. Don't be sceptical, give it a read, it will take a while but it is well worth it. I'm sure many of you will have already read his thoughts and forgive me if someone has already posted this site but I found it to be incredible. Don't blame me, I'm just the messenger but this essay is mind blowing!

wylfing.net...

Ras.

all very credible thoughts. but what exactly is new in all those speculations?

Ummm....becasue no one has posted anything like this before on the whole MwM debate on this site and I haven't read it anywhere else so I thought it was worth a mention. I was sick of seeing too much anyalsis on every word, sentence, object etc on the movies to try and prove one way or the other, so I took an "outside the square" look at the whole thing and tried to think from the W. brothers perspective or point of view. I said right from the start, that this wasn't a theory and I wasn't trying to prove anything, I just wondered if anyone else had thought about this way so I decided to share it. I thought that was grounds to call it "new" but if you don't think so, well its no biggie. You tell me, have you seen anyone propose what I have said, I'm glad someone read it - feedback is most appreciated.

Ras.

i too beleive that the movies should not be over interpreted, in a CERTAIN sense. regarding allegory or plot lines i think u should wring them dry. i have presented my arguments argainst over-interpretation here -

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as i understand, what ur saying is, we shouldnt dig too deep into the movies, and MwaM isnt true bcuz its 'corny' (strictly within quotes), becuase its a rip-off, and in the matrix trilogy, things r not what they seem. those r the first thoughts that come to mind, rnt they? or if i've misunderstood, can u xplain more clearly?

Yes and no. I don't mind if other people want to delve into the Matrix triolgy with as much passion as religions but I think there is a limit. While the W. brothers have made an incredible story/film I think that we must admit that it is only a story. The last thing we want is nerdy fans combatting against Star Wars and Star Trek and Lord of the Rings fans using "special" matrix powers but I guess some people find this "fun" - not me. Given, it (the movie) has a million and one layers and some people can watch it and get 10 layers, some 100 layers and some 100,000 which is an incredible achivenment for a movie (and after all, this is a movie and not the truth). I don't beleive a film has ever done this with such an incredible focus on the films plot than the Matrix and I really don't think such an engading, kung fu packed, philosophy entense film will ever be made again unless the W. brothers are working on something new!

I'm not spefically saying that the Matrix within Matrix theory is a ripoff but it is certainly not a road I believe the W. brothers would not go down for the reasons I outlined earlier. Like you said, things arern't always what they seem and this couldn't be more true with the matrix and no one really knows the truth except the brothers so I think people need to get over this (at some times) heated debate over an issue that will never be solved in these forums. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the film, it has touched me in a way I never ever thought a film could and I love to study it but I find myself less enjoying the movie and more trying to solve everything which has ruined it a little for me. I think people wanted a clear cut film that answered everything and when it didn't deliver every answer to every mystery, people were like "Well that sucked, because I don't get it."

If you understand the W. brothers than you would know that they are heavily inspired by Japanese culture and Anime and if you (I'm not saying you specifically - just in general) watch these films they have the same endings - not everything is answered and you the viewer are meant to take away what you want. I am totally satisfied with the ending and am glad it ended that way for the above mentioned reasons.

So to summerise, YES people over-emphasise on the films and NO, there is no MwM and YES I agree with your post. Done and done. What do you think? Do you support, disagree, don't know, I would love to know what people think of my post. Cheers for your response.

Ras.