»The K.I.S.S. Principle_M A X I M U M_A N S W E R S«

***KISS = Keep It Simple, Stupid***

I believe we’ll find either good answers to some of our questions or at least good leads… so walk with me.


PIECE 1
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Architect: I am the architect; I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions and though the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human .
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INDICATION: Neo was and continues to be HUMAN. He is not part-machine or total-code, only, his “consciousness” is “altered”----but, he IS human, and irrevocably so!


PIECE 2
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Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime, a triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it, based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps, a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another. An intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo: The Oracle.

Architect: Please, as I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution, whereby nearly 99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously, fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority if unchecked would constitute an escalading probability of disaster.
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Consider the above in conjunction with what the Architect said initially: “ You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts, I have been unable to eliminate…”

Also, recall from M-1 what Smith told Morpheus: “Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world.”

INDICATIONS:

1. The first two versions of the matrix were “monumental failures.” However, in their failures, there was no role of the Oracle or of any anomaly. The “plugged” people (the initial “crops”) simply “rejected” the “perfection of no suffering”—all of them died or had to be killed…”entire crops were lost”

2. The Oracle was not active in the first two versions of the matrix. It was not until the third version that she became involved and proposed an “almost perfect solution” where “99%” of all people tested “accepted” the matrix program. Though the Oracle’s solution helped avoid the “mass rejection” by the “plugged/grown humans” (“crops”) that happened in the first two versions, the solution was “fundamentally flawed” and this “flaw” or “anomaly” resulted in a “minority” of the crops (plugged and cultivated humans) continuing to reject the matrix program. This also means that NEO or THE ONE or THE ANOMALY appeared for the first time in the third version of the matrix.

CHEAT NOTE: Recall the Architect’s dialog: ” The matrix is older than you know. I prefer to count from the emergence of one integral anomaly to emergence of the next, in which case, this is the 6th version.” <-- Clearly, the architect prefers to count the versions from since when Neo or the anomaly appeared the first time---this is not a count of the actual version (which is more likely the 8th) but the number of times the anomaly has appeared (6th).


PIECE 3
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Architect: …The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program, after which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male to rebuild Zion…”
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INDICATION: The third version onwards (the same as the “first version featuring an anomaly”), the source code of the matrix is appended with the code carried by THE ONE, and this cumulative new source code is recompiled and run again---resulting in probably a more stable matrix. During such a process, the crops (plugged humans) do not get killed, only that 23 of these plugged humans are chosen for rebuilding Zion.

Why the recompilation?

There are two strong possibilities:

1. It could be that because the architect has not been able to get rid of the anomaly that is part-and-parcel of the Oracle’s solution, he prefers to simply get rid of the running “object” code (by guiding the One back to the source) at the time he feels the “minority” population rejecting the matrix is growing strong in numbers … and, after the recompilation of the source, things calm down in the matrix, the rebellion dies down till it starts again (when again the architect “guides” the One to the source for yet another new “run” of the program).

OR

2. It could be that the One keeps bringing “feedback” in codelet-form to the source that must be appended to the source and the source compiled and run again… a process of upgrading in an effort to eventually rid the system of the anomaly---in an effort to create a matrix that no plugged human would ever reject---all crop would be totally productive.


Also, after every recompilation of the source, the matrix program “blossoms” the same way, because, other than the small “upgrade code” or “patch” or “feedback” carried by the One AND other than the rogue programs “hiding,” everything is the same. So the agents (including Smith) whose codelets are already written in the source code, birds, cats, people’s projections, everything will load up like every time…

What was different this time is probably for the first time Smith “smithed” everything---including the exiles, the rogues, and all plugged humans and agents… everything… Probably in doing so, Smith brought every rogue, every exile back into a “connection” (not necessarily with the SOURCE though, only that now there was a definite connection existing amongst all in the matrix, which probably previously was not there)…


NOTE: the source code is never active as pointed by someone in a message here...

Further...

The Oracle's solution "worked" but as mentioned by the Architect, her solution was "fundamentally flawed," and therefore, the anomaly has been appearing since the time the Oracle's solution was implemented. From the third matrix onwards, every version has had "one integral anomaly," as mentioned by the Architect.

How Is Neo Different (from the previous 5 anomalies)?

Let's first look at what Merovingian had to say about Neo: "...You know, your predecessors had much more respect..."

First conclusion: This anomaly is "willing to be disrespectful of the system" or is "irreverent..." This irreverence is what keeps him the edge to take risks without being afraid of the powers that be.

Now let's look at the Architect-Neo scene again:

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Neo: You haven't answered my question.

Architect: Quite right. Interesting, that was quicker than the others.
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Here's our second conclusion: Neo is "quicker" than the previous "anomalies."

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Architect: ...It is interesting reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the One, while the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific, vis-à-vis love.

Neo: Trinity.
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This is our third conclusion about Neo: It's the first time that the anomaly (or the ONE) has fallen in love. The previous anomalies (5 of them) never fell in love, and it appears that ALL 5 previous anomalies (or ONEs), after entering the Architect sector, went to the source. There, they facilitated the "reinserting of the prime program" and "selected 16 females and 7 males" to "rebuild Zion." Our Neo, the sixth anomaly, chose NOT do follow suit.

Extremely interesting question: None of the previous ONEs (or anomalies) fell in love. Therefore, do you think any one of the previous 5 anomalies would have been told about the "two doors" available? The reason I ask this is that without anyone to be in love with, wouldn't all the previous ones have had nothing to "go back to" after entering the "non-Source" door? In other words, do you think any of the previous ONEs were even presented two doors? I think this the first time there are two doors in the Architect sector. And if this is true, then this is the FOURTH thing that is different about Neo--he's the first ONE to be presented a choice between "Source" and "Love."

And, if that is true, then probably, this is the "dangerous game" the Oracle played ;--)

I have to say, of all the explanations I’ve read so far, this one makes the most sense.


So the Architect allows the people who reject the program to re-group in Zion. After all, it is much easier to wipe out the inhabitants of an entire city (especially when you know where the city is and how it was built), than to hunt down scattered (unpredictable) humans all over the place. It also gives the system a chances to study these people (job of the Oracle?), find out what went wrong and use that info to improve the Matrix. It’s kinda like pushing all the dust on your table together before you wipe it away.

So...the coming of the One is not just allowed, but maybe encouraged. The One gives people hope and something to believe in (exploiting their weakness). By the time the One reaches the Architect, the people of Zion are desperate. He is their last hope. Unfortunately, there isn’t much he can do. Zion is destroyed each time... but the One survives (until he dies of natural death) and he “chooses” to rebuild Zion (with the 23 other people) hoping that eventually someone will rise again (with better success). He may or may not be able to manipulate the system the way he has done. After all, the system has now learnt from him. In return, this has made the system stronger. Since the Zion is destroyed, the system no longer needs the One. The Matrix may no longer LET itself be manipulated... at least not until another One comes along.

And another One did come: Neo.

Yes Orbs! Thx!

It's a COMPELLING theory!

The function of the ONE is to select 23 humans (16 females, 7 males) and rebuild Zion... right?

Now, for every new version of the Matrix, these 23 could be said to be the "first few free people"... right?

And so, to the 23 freed people (for every version of the Matrix), the person freeing them could seem to be "the man born inside Matrix who could change things and who freed the first few"... right?

And we are also saying that ONE is a code that is attached to a human in every version of the Matrix...

So where does this lead us... yes you got it Orbs!

The human who is selected to carry the ONE code (and rebuild Zion with 23 humans) in Matrix Version Number X is "seen" as the MAN BORN INSIDE THE MATRIX in Matrix Version Number X+1---makes a lot of sense don't it ;--)

This person is already old and eventually dies.

And then, according to the prophecy in each version, this person is supposed to be reborn----YES! All that is done is that a new human is identified from the CROPS to carry the ONE code---and he's labeled the new ONE---or the reborn ONE!

OPEN SEASAME!

"...he freed the first of us!" Of course....self perpetuating prophecy! Excellent!

... and the creation of the prophecy of the One makes sense too. His legend brings not just hope but faith (opium of the masses?). It lets humans believe that their’s a key to their salvation. It keeps them busy, looking, searching. Their faith in the prophecy is perpetuated because some people do seem to be able to bend the rules (bending the spoon, etc.). This also means that while the people of Zion continuously attempt to rescue others from the Matrix, their efforts are slowed since they’re also searching for particular people.... they’re also unlikely to mount a major attack (every couple of hundred years?) until a gifted One comes along. By then, the system is ready for them (besides, by then the system is losing “crops” at an increasing rate since humans are getting more aggressive with their rescues), ready to destroy them and ready to learn how this new One has managed to find a way to break the rules (found new bugs with the program?).
Once Zion is destroyed, the One has no incentive to tell the people he has “rescued” that their race may never be freed. He has seen what he can do within the Matrix, has seen Zion as it used to be and this gives him hope. Maybe this time around things will be different. He needs to provide people with a sense of purpose...

The system is ok with this because it knows that it has the firepower to defeat Zion before it reaches a certain size. Zion is never really much of threat. But just in case, while the humans regroup, so does the system. Sure, it could hunt and squish all humans that unplug on a daily basis but that may be inefficient. Additionally, the system would have no way to learn from them, to study them (fight them?). One goal of the system may be to achieve a form of perfection, so it needs to “facilitate” failures so that its flaws become more apparent and easier to learn from (and to eventually permanently eliminate).

Does my title sound like Smith wrote it ;--)

Yes Orbs, I agree, and here are more insights:

1. All this will continue as long as the Oracle's "working" but "fundamentally flawed" solution continues to be implemented.

2. Our theories also help us significantly disprove the popular theories that Seraph or Merovingian are former Ones! This is how:

The human carrier of Version X dies and the code "One" is attached to a new human in Version X+1. Therefore, the code or program ONE is not a rogue code or program... and therefore has no reason to live in exile... and therefore, cannot be the same as the Merovingian or Seraph (or any other entity)! Therefore, it's extremely improbable that Merovingian or Seraph are in any way former ONEs!

Way to go!

Deep wrote:

And then, according to the prophecy in each version, this person is supposed to be reborn----YES! All that is done is that a new human is identified from the CROPS to carry the ONE code---and he's labeled the new ONE---or the reborn ONE! OPEN SEASAME!

I read your posts and I like your theory, but it is missing something as to how it pertains to The Prophecy. The Prophecy states that The One will end the war. It doesn't say how, but it does say that it will END.

The cycle kept repeating it self because the war never really ended. A new cycle was started each time The Ones previous to Neo chose reinsertion. Each new cycle brought about another war in which Zion was destroyed.

In order for The Prophecy to be fulfilled, the cycle would have to come to an end. The cycle FINALLY did come to an end when Neo's incarnation of The One decided to choose the door of which the previous Ones did not. This door (the one Neo chose) is the ONLY possible way for the Prophecy to be fulfilled and at the same time is the ONLY possible way for the humans in Zion to be destroyed once and for all. No repopulation via reinsertion.

At the time, Neo didn't realize he was choosing the door which leads to the possible fulfillment of The Prophecy because his mind was not ready for it. He was still of the mind that The Prophecy was bogus when in reallity it was true all along. He finally realized that he was infact The One and that his true purpose was to end the war. He did so via a peace accord. However, it cost him his shell(body). Prophecy fulfilled. There are to be no more anomolies because the code was never reinserted.

What I'm saying above is that there most likely was supposed to be ONLY one... One, hence the title - The One. Since choice is the rule, there would still have to be a choice of doors given. So, I feel that even the first One had to make a choice of the same two doors.

Your thoughts?


What is the Matrix

What is the Matrix wrote:

In order for The Prophecy to be fulfilled, the cycle would have to come to an end. The cycle FINALLY did come to an end when Neo's incarnation of The One decided to choose the door of which the previous Ones did not. This door (the one Neo chose) is the ONLY possible way for the Prophecy to be fulfilled and at the same time is the ONLY possible way for the humans in Zion to be destroyed once and for all. No repopulation via reinsertion. What is the Matrix

Questions for you:
1. Don't you think that the prophecy was not one prophecy, but that there was a prophecy in each vesrion of the Matrix? That the war ended at the end of each cycle of the Matrix?
2. Don't you think that the end of the war can also happen without peace--that it can also happen with one side winning--that perhaps, all the previous 5 times, the prophecy had come true by the war ending when machines won and 23 humans were selected to rebuild Zion (each of the five times in the past)? And that this time, the war ended by virtue of a truce?

While you ponder over the questions in the message immediately above this one, here's a special:

K.I.S.S.ING SMITH GOODBYE--A New Perspective

1. The ONE is a reset program.
Why?
The Architect's dialog:
Architect: …The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program…

2. "Resetting" involves "diffusion" or "broadcast" of the ONE code.
Why?
The Architect's dialog:
Architect: …The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program…

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Question: How was this dissmination supposed to happen at the Source, if at all Neo had chosen the non-Trinity door? (Neo's predecessors disseminated their respective codes... right... how?)

Was this something similar to what happens to the Smithed Neo in the matrix and to the real Neo lying in front of Deus Ex Machina---that is---"light/code" glows or is "broadcast" from Neo's virtual and real selves?

If yes, then do you think that Neo's "residual image" or his "digital projection in the matrix" needed to be absorbed by the Mainframe/Source for the dissemination to happen?

Then, do you also think that the ONE was a universal reset program/code that would reset anything it was "absorbed" by?

And if still yes, then do you think why Smith was eradicated was because once the ONE was absorbed by Smith, the ONE (inside the matrix) broadcast/disseminated his code NOT to the SOURCE, but to SMITH, resetting SMITH and thus "destroying him?"

Meanwhile, outside in the machine city, at the very same time, the real body of Neo broadcast/disseminated the light carrying the reset code to Deus Ex Machina, thus resetting the Matrix to a new version?

What sez you?

(Note that Smith was a free-thinking program now, not connected to the Mainframe anymore, and therefore would "hide" and "survive" any resetting/rebooting of the Matrix/source--exactly like Merovingian--so if only the Matrix was to be reset, Smith would have lived on in the new version---so Smith too had to be destroyed in a process separate and distinct from the process of resetting the matrix.)

Deep wrote:

What is the Matrix wrote: In order for The Prophecy to be fulfilled, the cycle would have to come to an end. The cycle FINALLY did come to an end when Neo's incarnation of The One decided to choose the door of which the previous Ones did not. This door (the one Neo chose) is the ONLY possible way for the Prophecy to be fulfilled and at the same time is the ONLY possible way for the humans in Zion to be destroyed once and for all. No repopulation via reinsertion. What is the Matrix Questions for you: 1. Don't you think that the prophecy was not one prophecy, but that there was a prophecy in each vesrion of the Matrix? That the war ended at the end of each cycle of the Matrix? 2. Don't you think that the end of the war can also happen without peace--that it can also happen with one side winning--that perhaps, all the previous 5 times, the prophecy had come true by the war ending when machines won and 23 humans were selected to rebuild Zion (each of the five times in the past)? And that this time, the war ended by virtue of a truce?

Answers for you:

1. I feel that The Prophecy was just that - THE Prophecy. "THE" signifying one.

2. Yes, I agree that the war COULD have ended without peace -- that any of the following could have happened at the end of Revolutions:

a) Humans win. THE end of the war.

b) Machines win. THE end of the war.

c) Peace/Compromise between Humans and Machines. THE end of the war.

In Revolutions we saw outcome c.

There is outcome d - Cycle resets itself. THE end of the war?

No. It is a new beginning which leads down the path to yet another war which has AN end.

This outcome has happened several times before as we found out in Reloaded. However, outcome d doesn't fulfill The Prophecy - THE End of the war. Outcomes a, b and c do. Outcome d technically isn't really an outcome becuase it leads down the path to yet another war.

As I mentioned in my other post, I feel that the cycles were not really supposed to happen and that there really was supposed to be only one "The One". If you really think about, this is very plausable. The same or similar events that transpired in Revolutions could have taken place IF the first One had chosen the door to his/her left (since choice the rule, even the first One would have to make the choice of doors). For all intents and purposes, Neo's incarnation of The One could have been the second, third, fouth or even fifth incarnation. The only reason why we know that this isn't true is because Neo is told differently by The Architect. The Merov told Neo that there were others, but he didn't say exactly how many.

Continuing on the subject of cycles, the ONLY reason why the cycles occured is because each of the previous Ones chose the OTHER door. They chose the OTHER door because they did not have the same connection to an individual that Neo did. I would think that if one of the previous Ones had a similar connection, that he/she would have chosen the same door that Neo chose. Then there wouldn't have even been a sixth version of The One. Everything would have been done and taken care of by one of those others.


What is the Matrix

So are you saying that:

1. There won't be another ONE?
2. There won't be another version of the matrix?
3. The anomaly problem is finally solved? That there will be no more people wanting to reject the matrix?

I'd like to think that the cycle is finished and the anomoly finally resolved within the Matrix however, Seti asked the Oracle at the end of M3 if they would see Neo again? and the Oracle replied 'Yes, I think we will at some point'

Given that statement, surely the anomoly will re-occur? Any thoughts?

Nothing actually changed. A few trees changed but the forest is still a forest.

Deep wrote:

So are you saying that: 1. There won't be another ONE? 2. There won't be another version of the matrix? 3. The anomaly problem is finally solved? That there will be no more people wanting to reject the matrix?

Keeping it simple:

1. I feel that there will not be another One because Neo's incarnation fulfilled what The Prophecy states to be The One's TRUE purpose - END the war. Not start yet another cycle which leads to another war which has AN end. To me, starting a new cycle isn't ENDING the war.


2. There may be bugfixes and/or upgrades to the NEW version of The Matrix we saw at the end of Revolutions, but I don't feel that there will be an entirely different version after that.

Incidentally, I feel that the versions of The Matrix that each One spawned from were revisions of the same Matrix software. They weren't entirely different versions.


3. Yes, the systemic anomoly problem has been solved because Neo's incarnation of The One made the choice that the Ones previous to him did not, walk through the door to his left.

There will always be those within The Matrix who will question the world around them, just as there are those in OUR world who do. Those within the Matrix who question enough and find out enough on there own, will be allowed the privilege of being shown the answer.

Once they have been shown the answer, they will then be given the choice to stay living within the virtual world of The Matrix or to be unplugged and live in the real world.

There may even be more like The Kid (The Animatrix: Kid's Story) or The Track Athlete (The Animatrix: World Record) who are somehow able to eject themselves.

Now, I am not saying that the above is THE difinative answer, it's just my take.


WitM

There is no spoon wrote:

I'd like to think that the cycle is finished and the anomoly finally resolved within the Matrix however, Seti asked the Oracle at the end of M3 if they would see Neo again? and the Oracle replied 'Yes, I think we will at some point' Given that statement, surely the anomoly will re-occur? Any thoughts?

From that statement, I would feel that Neo's incaration of The One, not an entirely different incarnation, MAY return at some later point in time. IF he does return, it won't be in bodily form because his body is now for all intents and purposes, an empty shell.


WitM

Thanks for your answers WITM.

I'd like a fresh look at your answer in point 3:

"Yes, the systemic anomoly problem has been solved because Neo's incarnation of The One made the choice that the Ones previous to him did not, walk through the door to his left."

I'm not sure why or how the choice of the Trinity-door has rid the system of the anomaly. I think it still exists. Here, let's recall what the anomaly is actually: The anomaly is that 100% of all the plugged humans do not accept the matrix system -- there is still 1% of the plugged population that continues to reject it.

Where does this anomaly (originally) stem from? The first matrix was "pain-free" and the plugged humans (even at an unconscious level) simply rejected it en masse. The next matrix too was a complete failure. It was only in the third version that the Oracle suggested that all the plugged humans be given a choice to "stay or leave," even at a "near-unconscious" level.

This solution worked in that 99% of the plugged humans stopped rejecting the matrix--they wanted to continue inside---however, the Oracle's solution was "fundamentally flawed" in that there was still a small 1% who would "want out."

At this point, recall the Oracle and the Architect's final conversation in M-3: Even after the Smith-Neo final battle and the loading of a brand new version of the matrix, there are people who will "want out"--this is nothing but the anomaly. So the anomaly is there. The day no one rejects the matrix, the anomaly would be gone.

Deep wrote:

Thanks for your answers WITM. I'd like a fresh look at your answer in point 3: "Yes, the systemic anomoly problem has been solved because Neo's incarnation of The One made the choice that the Ones previous to him did not, walk through the door to his left." I'm not sure why or how the choice of the Trinity-door has rid the system of the anomaly. I think it still exists. Here, let's recall what the anomaly is actually: The anomaly is that 100% of all the plugged humans do not accept the matrix system -- there is still 1% of the plugged population that continues to reject it. Where does this anomaly (originally) stem from? The first matrix was "pain-free" and the plugged humans (even at an unconscious level) simply rejected it en masse. The next matrix too was a complete failure. It was only in the third version that the Oracle suggested that all the plugged humans be given a choice to "stay or leave," even at a "near-unconscious" level. This solution worked in that 99% of the plugged humans stopped rejecting the matrix--they wanted to continue inside---however, the Oracle's solution was "fundamentally flawed" in that there was still a small 1% who would "want out." At this point, recall the Oracle and the Architect's final conversation in M-3: Even after the Smith-Neo final battle and the loading of a brand new version of the matrix, there are people who will "want out"--this is nothing but the anomaly. So the anomaly is there. The day no one rejects the matrix, the anomaly would be gone.

The Prophecy states that the purpose of The One is to END the war. Neo's incarnation of The One fulfilled this purpose. The choice of the door to his left allowed him to do this. If he had chosen the OTHER door like the previous Ones did, there would have been yet another cycle started in which a new One would have eventually appeared. So, since the TRUE purpose of The One has been fulfilled, there is no longer the need for another One. That's how I see it, anyway.

Is it really safe to assume that ALL of the 1% were minds that WANTED to come out? That's what I've been thinking all along, but now that I think about it more, I'm not entirely certain that this was the case. It could very well be that the 1% was a random "flushing" which ejected even those who didn't want out. Randomness sounds more like a process that would result in an anomoly.

If the above paragraph is true and since the anomoly has served it's purpose, then there should be no more random "flushings". From here on out, ONLY minds who want to be freed will be freed. Such was the agreement between The Oracle and The Architect. Of course, there could still be those like The Kid and The Athlete who can self-eject themselves somehow.

As I said before, this is just my take. ONLY the W. Brothers know the real answers.

Side note:

Has there ever been such a more thought-provoking story than The Matrix? These movies will be talked about and spoken of until the end of time or at the very least until The W. Brothers come out and say - Ok everyone, here is the REAL deal concerning what went on in The Matrix story.

Man, look at the time. I've got to get some sleep.


What is the Matrix

Copy of my message I posted on another board...

A major area of discussion and counterpoint is the "gold/yellow" "aura" perceived by Neo several times...

It is extremely interesting to note the verbiage used in the movie--only at a couple of places in the entire trilogy do the characters actually "talk" about this phenomenon:

Oracle (to Neo, apropos the source): "...Where you must go. Where the path of the One ends. You've seen it, in your dreams, haven't you? The door, made of light."

"Made of light..."

Neo (to Trinity, describing how he perceives the machine city):"It's unbelievable, Trin. Lights everywhere. Like the whole thing was built with light. I wish you could see what I see."

"Built with light..."

Photon? Light energy?

Nowhere does any character refer to this phenomenon as "code" or "aura" or "spirit" or "soul"... simply "light."

Just the verbiage folks... and probably the verbiage will lead us to what the Wachowskis intended... shedding "light" on the issue?

Is it actually nothing but light?

"Lead me from darkness to light." == "Tamso maa jyotirgamayah."
--One of the stanzas... the final Neo-Smith battle and the credits...

***KISS = Keep It Simple, Stupid***

Where would have Smith (a program) wanted to go... when he said he wanted to leave the Matrix. Did he mean the same place Ramakandra and Kamala were from? If yes, in what way would these "programs" written for the Matrix, exist outside the Matrix? Do you mean when someone writes a program such as Smith or Merovingian or Oracle for the Matrix, the program "lives" somewhere in machine (or other tangible) form? How's that possible? How is the mapping done?

Or is it that apart from the Matrix, the Source or DEM actually has other places in the machine city which also need software and programs---the Matrix won't be the only place where programs are needed in the machine city... right?---so it's actually a question of lifting a piece of code from another software running at a non-Matrix place within the machine city, and putting it into the Matrix---probably temporarily--like Smith, who then could go back, in code form only, to the original software or application (non-Matrix) running in the machine city.

So this could also mean an end for all those theories that say programs have a tangible existence in the real world... this would then mean a simple transfer of code (of programs such as Smith) from one software to another. And when Smith infects Bane, at that moment, Smith "changes" the residual image of Bane projected inside the Matrix, thereby changing Bane's outlook in life--"brainwashing him"--and triggering him to act with Smith's goal of destroying Neo.

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K.I.S.S. = Keep It Simple, Stupid

the place that Smith is trying to get to (where the Rama-Kandra is) is the source. The source is the place that is connected to the matrix by the trainline. The source contains the information from all the dead programs and gives information to improve the matrix on the next reload. I think all programs are programed to go to the source to be deleted, unless something 'compells' them to stay. Smith was compelled because he was part of an equation, and the Rama-Kandra's love for his child made them send their daughter away. I think most programs dont want to go to the source and attempt to go against their programming, but most cannot fight it.

Thank you Manta, but the trainline is not a "legal" channel... It is used only as a smuggling line... for getting things in and out of matrix the smuggler's way... not legally.

This is a continuation and further fine tuning of

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...in addition to the Matrix, there are other places in the machine city where other programs (and software) are running---the Matrix won't be the only place software environment in the machine city... right?---so it's actually a question of lifting a piece of code from another software running at a non-Matrix program within the machine city, and putting it into the Matrix---probably temporarily--like for Smith, who then could go back, in code form, to the original software or application (non-Matrix) he was from.

What fine tuning? The following:

1---The Machine City is the metal and body and machine manifestation of the very same AI that created the Matrix and which is at war with NI or humans or Natural Intelligence. The Machine City is tangible and exists in the real world along with Zion the last human city (underground).

2---The Machine City needs software and programs and code to "run" its various mechanisms--there is probably software that controls the sentinels too... and where is all this software/program running--no not in the Matrix, but in the Machine World--this is not the same as the Machine City or the Matrix--but another software environment where all the programs necessary for keeping the Machine City in shape and safe, reside! These programs in the Machine World are not similar to the residual images in the Matrix (which is more of a dream)... these are programs, very much awake and AI-conscious--hence also "evolving"--and without any external body or tangible form in the real world (of the Machine City).

So I am actually proposing that "Machine City" is NOT the same as "Machine World. And that Rama and Kamala and Sati probably never had any tangible real body in the real world.

3---The Matrix, as we all know, is the dream world for keeping the human crops uncorrupted... and whenever required, programs from the software environment Machine World (not the same as Machine City) are jacked or plugged into--or POSTED to--the Matrix... Smith (a program without any tangible form in the real world) has been jacked/plugged/POSTED too... and he knows in M-1 that he can return to the Machine World once he gets access codes to the Zion mainframe and destroys it and Zion... Where Smith is from, everything has a purpose... whatever does not have a purpose is deleted... this is the same software program/environment called the Machine World (not the same as Machine City) where Rama, Sati, and Kamala are from... and they share with Neo that "from where they are, purposeless programs are deleted." The trainman "smuggles" those programs from the Machine world to the Matrix which cannot cross over through a legal jack-in, in fact, those programs that are facing deletion in the Machine World program want to "hide in the simulated world Matrix."

Therefore, we have:

. (i) . Machine City and Zion

. (ii) . Machine World--a software environment (not the same as the Matrix, and not the same as the Machine City)

. (iii). Matrix--another software environment which is more of a "simulation" unlike Machine World.


Take a look at the Sati-Rama-Kamala-Neo conversation:

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Sati: Are you from the Matrix? Neo: Yes. No. I mean, I was. Sati: Why did you leave? Neo: I had to. Sati: I had to leave my home too.

This we all know--Sati had to leave her home, and she was now heading for the Matrix.

Next piece:

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Neo: You're programs. Rama-Kandra: Oh, yes. I'm the power plant systems manager for recycling operations. My wife is an interactive software programmer, she is highly creative.

This too we all know--both Rama and Kamala were programs-- nowhere they say that they are "machines" or anything having a "tangible" existence or a "body" in the real world... where the war wages...

Another piece:

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Rama-Kandra: Everyone knows the Oracle. I consulted with her before I met with the Frenchman. She promised she would look after Sati after we said goodbye. Neo: Goodbye? You're not staying with her? Rama-Kandra: It is not possible. Our arrangement with the Frenchman was for our daughter only. My wife and I must return to our world.

This shows Rama and Kamala have to return... to their world... the same place Smith in M-1 wants to go back too... he does not like the Matrix environment at that time...

More:

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Rama-Kandra: ...The answer is simple. I love my daughter very much. I find her to be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. But where we are from, that is not enough. Every program that is created must have a purpose; if it does not, it is deleted. I went to the Frenchman to save my daughter. You do not understand. Neo: I just have never... Rama-Kandra: ...heard a program speak of love?

This is clear proof that where Rama is from, (the software environment called the Machine World) Sati, being purposeless in that Machine World, would be deleted... and therefore, Sati is being EXILED out of that Machine World INTO the MATRIX! Recall that Smith says "the last EXILE" when he meets Sati! The "last" exile from Machine World (separate and distinct from Machine City) was smuggled into the Matrix.

And if all the above is true, then the Architect too is from the Machine World program--the "software" manifestation of the AI that NI is at war with, and which is separate and distinct from Machine City--the tangible manifestation of the same AI.

And where does all this lead us... I have a feeling it will give us good leads to why Neo was able to stop Sentinels in the real world, why Neo landed up at Mobil Ave, why Seraph and some others have a gold aura, and what the Source is... Put on your thinking caps dear folks... we might be in Mobil Ave already ;--) and just a train away from the source...?

Appendix (some more "motivation" for you):

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Neo: You're not human, are you? Oracle: Well it's tough to get any more obvious than that. Neo: If I had to guess, I'd say you're a program from the machine world; So is he ("Seraph"). Oracle: So far, so good.

This is something that I can agree with. In fact, I remember bringing up something like this in a post somewhere on these boards.

I brought up the same scene when Neo said - built of light - to say that the yellow/gold we are shown at the end being given off by the machine city was energy (which is similar to what you said since light is energy) and not code.

I like it.

Although, I believe that on the inside of The System, the yellow/gold is machine-code. The machine-code of the part of The System which runs The Matrix. I'm refering to what we saw at the very beginning of Revolutions.

You're thoughts on this?


WitM

This is something else that I can agree with.

Although, I really wish they had shown us what The Keymaker, Merov, The Oracle, The Architect, etc. looked like through Neo's eyes. The ONLY sentient program they actually show us through his eyes, other than Smith, is Seraph.


WitM