»MY last try«

Regarding some replies to my posts which has been promptly shifted to the too many words, very little meaning forum by our esteemed administrator:

I am extremely sorry that we could not see eye to eye but I did not say anything vulgar or worthless ( as far as i can see) for my post to be dumped in a place nobody can view. I thought we can express free thoughts here. Which is why i asked in the beginning if this was a forum for making fun or to really try to understand the movie.

About Neo being connected to the matrix without being jacked in, It is just like a person being in another person's dream.
It has already been stated and accepted that the Matrix is like dreaming so when neo was in a coma he unknowingly intruded into the matrix.
Maybe he cant influence the people in the matrix but he is strong enough to make himself be seen.

And about the MwM thingie, ARE THE MACHINES PLUGGED IN TOO?

I find that most of the things in the trilogy are understandable and accountable for (except a very few like beams of light coming out from Neo)
The only thing i dont understand is that :
Was the ARCHITECT lying when he told that if Neo took the wrong door, the system would crash and everyody withiin the matrix would die?
I f wasnt lying what happened to the system crash?

And what will happen to the relationship between man and machine after this?
Will they come together or start another war?
These are the only issues bothering me so please can somebody be kind enough so as to provide answers to my questions(in the proper sense) and not render my post redundant?
Thnak you very much

If Neo went through the door the architect wanted him to go through that would have done the same thing as Neo did later. His program would be spread through the matrix again and Smith would have been cancelled out. However, this would have meant that the war would not stop and another Zion would be created on the dust of the old one only to share its fate.

probably got put in the REDUNDANT forum because the same thing was posted in more than one place.

like this thread, for example.

thestormweaver wrote:

Was the ARCHITECT lying when he told that if Neo took the wrong door, the system would crash and everyody withiin the matrix would die? I f wasnt lying what happened to the system crash

The architech never gave a time limit on the crash. I think in the past it would have been a matter of several days or even months before a crash occured. The crash would come in the form of more and more humans not accepting the program until a crash occured just as in the first version of the matrix.

This last version of the matrix was different in that smith was running out of control unlike the last versions of the matrix. I think the architect saw a crash coming no mater what door Neo choose because of smith. If the left door was chosen the humans rejection would crash it. If the right door was chosen smith would evenutally crash it. I dont think the architect forsaw that Neo could save the matrix as he did. He thinks in logical terms and not emotional ones as the Oracle does.

thestormweaver wrote:

And what will happen to the relationship between man and machine after this? Will they come together or start another war?

Who knows. that is the unknown. I got that humans would be aware of their existence in the matrix and would be given a choice to leave if they wanted. some will choose not to leave as Cypher did. some will leave and possibly begin to rebuild the world. I would say in a seperate place from the machines. they would in effect share the planet but not interact very much. but who knows.

Starbuck

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Was the ARCHITECT lying when he told that if Neo took the wrong door, the system would crash and everyody withiin the matrix would die? I f wasnt lying what happened to the system crash?

The system will crash if the anomalies are not restrained and are freely roaming in the matrix. It does not happen in a minute...it could take days,week,months or even years for that to happen. Note that M3 got over in 24 hours...so its not possible for people living inside the matrix to discover the flaw in choice mechanism in such a short time. The architect was'nt lying

scienthiest wrote:

The system will crash if the anomalies are not restrained

There was only one anomaly - Neo. What do you mean by anomalies?

S

starbuck wrote:

There was only one anomaly - Neo. What do you mean by anomalies? S

There are levels of anomalies... Read this, u'll understand...

scientheist wrote:

There are levels of anomalies. Level 0 : Full acceptance Level 1 : People who believe that there is something wrong with the world and who believe in ghosts, vampires, aliens etc. Level 2 : People who can bend the rules Level 3 : People who can break the rules, there is only one who can do it So Level 2 and Level 3 are dangerous to the system. So they must be quarantined in a seperate place so that their "disease" will not spread to others

On what basis do you arrive at this?

Starbuck

More explanation here...

I thought all the ones were the "eventualities of an anomaly". In other words if Neo is an anomaly then they were all anomalies.

So sure you can have anomalies and not just one anomaly, but that stuff about levels of anomalies is just bullshit. Scientheist! The matrix is a fictional movie! Not an excuse to smoke lots of pot!

wow, pretty far out stuff man. Unfortunatly you are making several wild claims and leaps of faith not grounded in any evidence.

I see your point about trying to create and all encompassing theory. I see several flaws in yours just at a glance. I will spend some time on it and maybe start a seperate thread so we can discuss it.

just give me a little time.



Starbuck

if it is a fiction then why do u seek forums to discuss it ? everything is possible in a fiction...see what u want and believe what they show and forget it when u leave the cinema hall !

If accepting that it is fiction meant you couldn't discuss it then no one would ever be able to study "english literature". Stories often have hidden meanings. What they don't have is hidden mathematical formulas for enlightenment. What is it with all this layers of anomaly crap?

I don't what to be mean...it your opinion and I can respect it...but I do not know where you get the "levels of..." theory at all. It makes no sense to me, and to my knowledge I have no idea where you are backing this theory.

The is only ONE anomaly...The One. People who accept the program walk the Matrix blind to it's existence and leave like normal people. People who do not accept the program and have a teacher (Oracle in M1 teaching the children) or are jacked in with the knowlegde of what they are in can do things because they know it isn't real, and unlike the Programs are not bound by a programming formula.

Only the One can control actual aspects of the Matrix.

I realy do not know where you're come from...not to be mean.

Fatpie42 wrote:

If accepting that it is fiction meant you couldn't discuss it then no one would ever be able to study "english literature". Stories often have hidden meanings. What they don't have is hidden mathematical formulas for enlightenment. What is it with all this layers of anomaly crap?

Oh you think that people dont use maths to explain truth ? Have u ever read Plato's philosophies ? Dont they come under "English literature" ? Most of the philosophers (like Plato, Aristotle, Rene Descartes) were well versed in Mathematics and contributed a lot for its developement besides philosophy. Note that mathematics is also one of Plato's truth ("truths are eternal").

Just because you dont understand computer science or mathematics dont mean that the movie has no "hidden" references to explain them. If all you care for is "enlightenment" then you should be confining yourself for philosophical and allegorical discussions and not the technical aspects of the movie.

Also note that science fictions do become science facts. You know who proposed the idea of satellites ? It was given by Sir Arthur C Clarke in his "2001 A Space Odyssey". May be all you care is literary aspects of the "fiction", but I'm a programmer and I'm exploring the possibilities of writing an AI program which could replicate human intelligence, so I care abt this "mathematical crap".

Neil wrote:

It makes no sense to me, and to my knowledge I have no idea where you are backing this theory

I've explained that in detail in this post