»The reason Seraph is gold«

The reason Seraph (the guy Neo meets before meeting the Oracle) had golden
code and was so spectacular is that he came from the first incarnation of
the matrix, which was heaven. "Seraph" is singular for the plural
"seraphim". The seraphim are the highest choir of angels and included
amongst others: Lucifer, Gabriele, Raziel and Malaciah, and they sit on the
8th level of Heaven just one below God.

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I think the reason Seraph has golden code is simplier than that. Gold code represents the machine world/programs. All programs that Neo sees are that same golden code. Agent Smith, Seraph, and the entire 0/1 city.

I have seen other posts that talk about Seraph playing a more important part in a past matrix, but i just don't see proof of that. His job was to protect the Oracle, and help Neo along with his journey. I think his name supports this hypothesis. Angels typically aren't of godly past, they are simply angels, or protectors, or another hundred words that could describe them.

Hope this is some help, let me know what you think.

I believe Seraph does play a major part in the story. He is a protector, unbeatable by anyone, but match by the Anomally/The One. That is why he had to fight Neo when they first met. He is old, part of the original Matrix and protected the Frenchman in the older version.

When the Matrix was revised and the Oracle took the promenant place, he went to protect her "I protect what matters most". The Frenchman calls him Judus for that.

Yes, i suppose that the job of protecting the Oracle isn't actually an un-important job, and i didn't mean for it to sound that way. I was refering to several posts where i saw where he was a past One, and i fail to see evidence for this.

Yes, battle wise he matches the Anomaly, but it takes more than that to play that sort of a role. If you were to ask me, who played a more important part, there are several characters above Seraph. He certainly is an intriguing character, don't get me wrong. Personally, my favorite fight scene in all of the trilogy is between him and Neo in Reloaded. But i'm not so sure that he stands for more than protection throughout the Matrix.

I just can't see any evidence in the Trilogy; hopefully some questions could be answered about him in a sequel to the Animatrix, but i can only hope we'll be lucky enough to have another series come out.

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Just to back the previous post, the gold Seraph is is not the same gold as in Neo sees the real world.

Personally, I think it has to do with the W Bros. giving "props", or an artistic salute, to Akira Toriyama. Seraph's gold aura makes him look like a Super Saiyan from DragonBall-Z. It would the first of two such DBZ references I noticed (the 2nd would be the final Neo-Smith battle). The W. Bros, made very clear references to (or borrowed story teller devices from) other cool stories.

As to how it translates into the story, I think it's caused by Seraph being so powerful, he radiates energy and Neo can detect it. Keep in mind, too, that we were not shown how the Merovingian the Oracle or the Architect appear in Neo's eyes. They may have a similar visual properties to Neo.

I agree, i think Seraph is very old and his code is powerfull and specific, not 'diluted' by being hacked and patched so to speak in the newer versions of the Matrix.

this is what i though, i thought it was either because he has touched the source somehow. or it's because all the exiles are gold...?

The source of long life is gold!
Eat gold!

I said it... now it's in your heart to find the answer!

I am the seventh One!

My name is Noe!

I can give you the answers...

I don't reckon that all exiles are gold, we only see Seraph as being gold (I think)

Maybe I'm nieve but I thought that Seraph was gold because of Neo's growing ability to see things that other people can't. Afterall, he couldn't even see green when he was first unplugged. I get the feeling that he is gold because he has ties to the real world. When Neo sees the machines in the real world later he sees it in gold too.

One other thought for ya

The computer game, Enter the Matrix, was made to tie the Animatrix with the Trilogy so anything in the game is worth considering. Both Neobi and Ghost are able to defeat Seraph.

Oh, one other thing, as far as I can see, Neo is the only one to be able to "see" the matrix code at all without a computer (green or gold).

I was reading on another website the theory that the Marovingian was the remnant code from a previous "one" that the architect spoke of in reloaded. This was backed up by the point that the marovingian can see the code as Neo sees it and his apparent affinity for casaulity as one might feel after getting the lecture from the archetect in Reloaded and choosing the other door leading back to the matrix. We know the code that Neo carries was re-injected into the matrix all the previous times. Could this lead to characters in the matrix that are representation of previous code from the "One"? For example, is this why seraph is gold? Is he a previous One? It would explain how despite the fact that agents cannot beat or stand up to Neo, Seraph can at least stalemate him. If this theory is true though, that would mean there are four other characters representing Neo? Theories anyone? (and possibly a new thread)

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I think the reason Seraph has golden code is simplier than that. Gold code represents the machine world/programs. All programs that Neo sees are that same golden code. Agent Smith, Seraph, and the entire 0/1 city.

Just something about that... Agent Smith isn't seen in gold code, we do get to se him in green code in Matrix 1 and 3. There is no-one else that we get to see in gold short of being in The Real.

I don't think he's a remnant code of the one, Neo doesn't glow gold(end of M2), surely if the one doesn't glow a part of the one wouldn't be able to glow either. And you're all forgetting that the oracle is gold aswell, until she gets taken over by Smith. It is a pickle indeed, alot of the matrix is, perhaps he's made of 'pure' code or something, or perhaps it's because he's so important. The cinematic effect is to show his importance and his name, meaning, in or around, God's warrior or god's protector, because he protects the oracle, who is seen as god in a number of the sub-meanings the wachowskis stuck in.

cheeky_girl5748 wrote:

The reason Seraph (the guy Neo meets before meeting the Oracle) had golden code and was so spectacular is that he came from the first incarnation of the matrix, which was heaven. "Seraph" is singular for the plural "seraphim". The seraphim are the highest choir of angels and included amongst others: Lucifer, Gabriele, Raziel and Malaciah, and they sit on the 8th level of Heaven just one below God. hey people can i have your thoughts on this plz? if anyone would like to speak to me add me to msn Stupid email address thx

this is exactly right except for 1 thing which makes it relevant

these angels love for god was said to "burn like fire"

this is the reason for the gold code and in turn makes the reference that the oracle is god...or even that she is another angel who also serves god who in turn is the architect

then she would be the angel who came down to guide the three wise men to christs birth place

the three wise men would in turn be morpheus trinity and neo and she was trying to guide them to the "birth" of sati as the one

im just jabbering crap by the way cause im a bit drunk but it makes sense to me and thats what counts....hehehe

seraph can't be a past one. he is a programm and his purpose is to protect the oracle. all past ones were humans. and will be humans.

architech ---> God (machine)
oracle ------> Virgin Mary (programm)
merovingian---> devil (human,past "one")
seraph---->angel (programm)
neo ---> Jesus (human)
little girl--->?(maybe the 7th matrix's "one")

last scene of M3--->seraph,oracle,architech,little girl are in paradise
marovingian's place ---->hell
both of the above are inside matrix (that's how we can't find hell and heaven)

zaion and city of the machines--->earth,space etc.

good to meet you kots...

i noticed a little contradiction in your post...you say that all the ones were and will be human and then you say that sati might be the next one....she is a programme so your theory is completely flawed

[quote="kots"]
merovingian---> devil (human,past "one")
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There are two problems with this.
1) Merovingian is a program. This clearly stated by the oracle when she says that the key maker is being held prisoner by a dangerous program, the Merovingian.

2) Merv doesn't represent the devil and its obvious who does. Start with the first version of the matrix, a perfect world (Eden). The humans won't accept it and are condemned to live in a world of suffering (the matrix we know). To establish order in this new world, agents are created. Agents are programs designed to keep order in the matrix just like angels keep oreder on earth. Ergo, agents represent angels. Smith betrays the system and tries to control it, just like lucifer, the morning star (aka the devil). Smith is the devil.

[quote="anomaly6"][quote="kots"]merovingian---> devil (human,past "one")

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There are two problems with this. 1) Merovingian is a program. This clearly stated by the oracle when she says that the key maker is being held prisoner by a dangerous program, the Merovingian. 2) Merv doesn't represent the devil and its obvious who does. Start with the first version of the matrix, a perfect world (Eden). The humans won't accept it and are condemned to live in a world of suffering (the matrix we know). To establish order in this new world, agents are created. Agents are programs designed to keep order in the matrix just like angels keep oreder on earth. Ergo, agents represent angels. Smith betrays the system and tries to control it, just like lucifer, the morning star (aka the devil). Smith is the devil.

Everyone has their own way to interrpret the story. Some will relate it to religion, using religious figures as a way to describe what KIND of character each person (or program ) represents in the movie.

Program, like love, is merely a word, my friends. Describe what it is to be a program. Would it be something close to "an intelligent (considering machines have developed A.I.) consciousness that exists without a physical body inside of an artificially crafted computer simulation?" Something CLOSE to that (I'm not trying to be exact here)? Could it be possible then, that Neo may continue to exist, without his body, inside the matrix? Suppose machines have the technology to somehow input only Neo's mind into the matrix, without a body. If ONLY his mind existed in the matrix, would you call him a program, according to the above outlined definition?

kots wrote:

merovingian---> devil (human,past "one")

cmon kots...pay attention to what ppl are sayin in the movie.
Merovingian is a program. here's a direct quote from the movie:

Neo: The Keymaker?
The Oracle: Yes, he disappeared some time ago. We did not know what happened to him until now. He's being held prisoner by a very dangerous program, one of the oldest of us. He is called the Merovingian, and he will not let him go willingly.

the anomaly wrote:

i noticed a little contradiction in your post...you say that all the ones were and will be human and then you say that sati might be the next one....she is a programme so your theory is completely flawed

that was i thought i made while i was writting those lines. i had a flash . i mean the suggestion "the little girl will be the next one". and obvioucly its wrong.

Merovingian is a program. here's a direct quote from the movie:

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Neo: The Keymaker? The Oracle: Yes, he disappeared some time ago. We did not know what happened to him until now. He's being held prisoner by a very dangerous program, one of the oldest of us. He is called the Merovingian, and he will not let him go willingly.

i know but...
the oracle said as well: sorry boy you are not the "one" in matrix1. (catch it?).

if this point (the one you say) is true, answer me the following questions:
how merovingian was the 1st matrix's "one". is that possible?

which is merovingian's purpose?

which is the devil? smith?

merovingian decided to remain roaming inside the matrix. just as the traitor of M1. he was a human of zion. he decided to give morpheas to agent smith and as a reward he would become a rich actor or a singer(that is what he wishes) inside the matrix. in other words after the betrayal he would become system's part (system's part is the translation of a greek terminal given in the movie and i can't find the correct word. i think you can understand what i mean). system's part means become a programm.

in conclusion. i am saying that oracle said a lie to neo. or maybe it was a movies bug. i don't refuse that maybe the bug is in my theory. but merovingian was sometime a human. it can't be different in my head. the merovingian was sometime a human and because he didn't fulfill his purpose he became a programm inside the matrix. he became a system's part. maybe the oracle is the 0,333333...3 and merovingian is her oposite 0,000...1 to close the balance. something like smith and his opposite neo.this is a controlled theory. what do you think?

i am convinced that the reason why seraph is gold is becuz of what he said"i protect that which matters most." and he tests those who are legit to meet the oracle by fighting them. so , it's the ovious, seraph is a firewall for the oracle to protect her. that's why he's gold, she's using him as protection.

there is no plot reason why seraph is gold...it is pure symbolism of the seraphim angels

as for kots saying that no programme can be "the one"

no one has been the one...human or programme...until the emergance of sati...she is the fullfillment of a false prophecy that was designed to control the anomaly)neo and his ancesstors)

All that is connected with the older versions of the Matrix is gold.

An older version matrix is a version not of heaven exclusively, but a world created around the various religions/superstitious beliefs know at the time, supported by the oldest programs being various figures in Chrisitanity, Greek/Roman mythology etc. (e.g. Merovingean who is Hades, and his wife persiphone, Oracle, Seraph, the vampires and warewolves.) The portions of the script surrounding each of these characters will support this

Seraph is an exile because he is supposed to be deleted with all of the other major players from that version of the Matrix, thus having defied god (deus ex machina) by choosing to help the Oracle in her quest for peace and an end to the war, he is "wingless" as the demon at the gates of club hell calls him.

"what matters most," is not so much the oracle, but life which the oracle seeks to protect.