»M1 and M2 are not well connected«

I found a lot of inconsistence between M1 and M2. In the end of M1 Neo was going to free all mankind, not just some people. That's why he is flying to the sky at the end of M1. And I thought M2 and M3 would be about humans resisting the idea of freeing themselves from Matrix, choosing the Blue pill so to speak. Also in M1 the Neb's crew was wearing very simple clothes (looking like rags sometimes) and eating very basic food. And what we see in M2: party? People are dressing up, having nice food and stuff, even some musical instuments! Big contrast with fighters/hackers atmosphere of M1... Anyways, maybe Brothers were in another mood while filming M2 + M3.

It's not suppose to link up, M1 is completely separate from M2 + M3. M1 is sort of out there to see if the viewers like it or not, and M2 + M3 are the sequels. It just tries to explain more in depth... Do i know what im talking about?

I heard that they weren't planning to make the Reloaded and Revolutions until the first one gained a lot of popularity. Why do you think that the first one is made in 1999 and the other two are both made in 2003. I also don't think they did the right thing in releasing the last two so close together, but I couldn't wait for the last one so I guess I can't complain.

YO giantblob and aced! what you are talking about is flatly contradicted in the DVD "the matrix revisited"! the head dude at Wb said that the w.bros. always presented the story as a trilogy. the other two were not both made in 2003! where are you getting this false info! they started pretty soon after the first one came out in theatres buddy. resarch your topics better!

According to the Wachowskis, M1 had to be designed so that it functioned as both a single film and the first installment in a trilogy. Although the concept was originally designed as a three part saga, WB had to see whether audiences reacted well to the first film. If they had made M1 straight away as part of a trilogy, and audiences had rejected it, then it would be economically rediculous to make M2 and M3 and M1 would have appeared as an unfinished story.

However, I believe that M1 and M2 were only conceived shortly after M1 was finished. The concept of designing the whole thing as a trilogy is just for finesse and polish.

Reloaded and Revolutions are not traditional sequels. They exist for those who choose to continue the story of M1.

Its like watching any film and being totally content with the ending, but afterwoods, you wonder "Hey, I wonder what happened after all that stuff".

The brothers are simulaing a universe where not everything shapes up nicely in a little package for everyone.

the idea was ALWAYS a trilogy.. the brothers always had the idea in their heads, like Asian Smith says.. they tried to sell it to WB as a trilogy, but they didn't really trust them enough cuz they didn't know how successful it was going to be...

i really don't understand why everyone makes such a big fuss about how different Reloaded was to the 1st Matrix.. and how lots of people think it wasn't supposed to be a trilogy in the beginning.. but that's just not true. what i think is BRILLIANT about the trilogy, is that the first one was tied up in such a neat and tidy way and that's partly why people loved it.. but if anything.. the story of it is actually quite linear and predictable.. the really clever bit is how we didn't realise how small a part of the overall story that really was. Reloaded is DESIGNED to sweep the rug from under our feet, so to speak.. its supposed to be completely different.. its supposed to surprise you by changing a lot of the things you thought after the first movie!

you are dead right angel

there are too many inconsistencies between the movies.
the original movie of any saga is the most important. it is usually the best movie of any epic, and the first matrix movie makes the most sense.

if the wachowskis already had the sequels made, then you will find that they would piece together properly.

why would the wachowskis put the idea of a trilogy on the table if it hadnt already been written.

the answer is.
anything to do with m2 and m3 dont make sense

talk of inconsistency between M1 and it's sequels is just absurd. in most general terms, Reloaded and Revolutions would be (and are) more similar than M1, but that obviously just stems from the fact that they were filmed at the same time, while M1 was filmed independently. But these are minimal surface inconsistencies that don't have anything to do with the plot. for instance, i've noticed that Neo's clothing is different at the beginning of M2 than it was at the end of M1. Also, the cover of the M1 dvd is green tinted. But as i said, these are surface inconsistancies.. which would be pretty much expected from two different filming sessions.

DigiAngel wrote:

In the end of M1 Neo was going to free all mankind, not just some people. That's why he is flying to the sky at the end of M1.

Freeing everyone is obviously an ultimate goal, but how were you expecting them to do this? All at once? This type of thing would obviously take time for each person they freed. In M2 we learn that more people are freed and they are on their way to their goal, but they are suddenly preoccupied with the machines attacking in response and also smith's army.

DigiAngel wrote:

And I thought M2 and M3 would be about humans resisting the idea of freeing themselves from Matrix, choosing the Blue pill so to speak.

this would have just gone way off track and would have taken the philosophical point away from the movie as a result. not to mention it would have just been boring watching half the planet blue pilling it for the length of two movies.

DigiAngel wrote:

Also in M1 the Neb's crew was wearing very simple clothes (looking like rags sometimes) and eating very basic food. And what we see in M2: party? People are dressing up, having nice food and stuff, even some musical instuments! Big contrast with fighters/hackers atmosphere of M1.

M2 & M3 both featured the same basic raggedy clothing on board ships. And what's wrong with them having a party of tribal nature? too modern for you? and them being 'dressed up' at the party is just stupid. it's not like they were wearing old navy fleeces, they were all dressed pretty poorly there too. many crew members had changed their clothes somewhat at home... but isn't that pretty much how it goes in life? you go on a journey, and on it you dont bring nightly fine dinning feasts and your entire wardrobe... you bring whatever you can scrap up for food and minimal clothing. also, whats wrong with them having drums? they arent playing electric guitars here man... drums are of the oldest forms of instruments. having them at their level is reasonable and expected. they have huge factory floors in zion which produce all of their electrical equipment throughout ALL movies, but according to you a couple of wooden drums are just way above their technological and mental levels. i get it.

M1 was all about the philosophy, what was this thing called the matrix, and it was about find the truth. and freeing your mind.

In M2 and M3, we know what the matrix is, these movies are about the war and zion.

But even though that these are all contected together is some way or another. really it is two stories playing at the same time. making the trilogoy come together.

conetcted via the animatrix and the enter the matrix game

The movies were written to be made as a trilogy (one source said in comicbook or graphic novel fashion - any truth to that?). The second two were intentionally created differently, cinematically-speaking, thanks to greater technology four years later, bigger storylines to connect, and characters having been already introduced -- like many sequels these days. Consider too that M2 begins a whole 6 months after the end of M1.

On a storyline level, you're right. Neo is in fact trying to save humanity. But considering what Morpheus tells Counselor Hamann, it isn't that easy to free people, probably both because they don't wish to be freed and because it isn't just a piece of cake to slip incognito into enemy territory to them of their crops. He was indeed trying to save all mankind -- just wasn't that easy.

The great thing about the series for those who don't like the sequels is that they can be pretty-much totally satisfied by the original in the case they don't want to see any more.


P.S. I remember no instrument-playing nor good-eating on the Neb in Reloaded, nor on the Hammer in Revolutions.[/i]

DigiAngel wrote:

I found a lot of inconsistence between M1 and M2. In the end of M1 Neo was going to free all mankind, not just some people.

No, he never actually said that. He said that he's "going to show these people what you don't want them to see". He is a nweborn messiah, drunk on power, and convinced that the fanatical Morpheus is right in his interpretation of the prophecy.

What we see is that after six months of freeing minds at an accelerated rate, while Morpheus is now convinced that Neo will end the war, Neo himself feels that there is something missing, that there must be something more. He wants guidance from the Oracle and even attempts to seek her out.

DigiAngel wrote:

That's why he is flying to the sky at the end of M1. And I thought M2 and M3 would be about humans resisting the idea of freeing themselves from Matrix, choosing the Blue pill so to speak.

That's an interesting idea, but I doubt it would hold the foam of two feature-length movies.

Plus, there's much more to discuss than just repeating and reguritating the themes from the first movie.

DigiAngel wrote:

Also in M1 the Neb's crew was wearing very simple clothes (looking like rags sometimes) and eating very basic food. And what we see in M2: party? People are dressing up, having nice food and stuff, even some musical instuments! Big contrast with fighters/hackers atmosphere of M1... Anyways, maybe Brothers were in another mood while filming M2 + M3.

Actually, the only time you see them dress up and have a good time is in Zion. Heck, even in the tunnels of the real world, Cypher and co. still find time for a drink. I'm sure that if 250,000 of us were in an underground cave, we'd find ways to entertain ourselves.

On the note of the alternative clothing, yes, there are uniform colours depending on rank (mostly that of the captains wearing red). But this is an addition that was needed given the expanded scope of the second film. Communications from Zion and other ships are referenced in the first film, but it wasn't a visual concern until Reloaded. It's still not a huge change, mind, and certainly not big enough to be classed as an "inconsistency".

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