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In christianity, a main them is being in this world (physical world)(matrix) but not of this world.

In essense we are all spiritual beings inclosed within physical bodies, so our real home or world is the spiritual world.(real world)

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That's an interesting point of view. I think you'll find that St. Paul talks a great deal about us getting new bodies in a new redeemed earth in the afterlife tho.

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"Row, row, row your boat,
Gently down the stream;
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a Dream."

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NEO: "This isn't real?"

MORPHEUS: "What is real? How do you define real? If you are talking about your senses, what you feel, taste, smell, or see, then all you're talking about are electrical signals interpreted by your brain."

The MATRIX: The movie. 1999


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The Universal Mind (The IS: Eternal Intelligence-Awareness) always tries to teach its entities of thought about Its reality and their purpose, through the medium of creative inspiration. However if, because of the resistance and creative misconceptions that mankind introduces, the perception is that this cannot be achieved within illusory frameworks of time and space, which defines periods within Creations, then these particular Creations just disappear and are devibrated in the swirling of the real Black Hole of the Mind.

We are nearing such a crossroad in this Creation.

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MORPHEUS: "You are here because you know something. What you know, you can't explain. You felt it your entire life. There is something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It's this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I am talking about?"

NEO: "The Matrix?"

MORPHEUS: "Do you want to know what it is? Have you ever had a dream, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the Dream world and the Real world?"

The MATRIX: The movie. 1999

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Most human entities spend their "waking" lives hypnotized by their sensory world, which gives them the illusion of a material reality "out there."

In reality, space and time are really nonexistent both at the level of Pure Aware Consciousness, and also at the level of the unaware "blind parts" that experience for It the illusion of creative thought within an illusory space/time construct called Creation.

Mankind rarely realizes that life is but a sensory illusion that gives experience and learning to Thought, and that the only reality is Thought Itself, which is forever evolving.

Consciousness can be defined as Awareness projected onto a vibratory Dream. Period. For Space/Time Creation it is but pure Dark lesser vibratory (conscious and subconscious) thought interacting more or less intensely with the inner Holographic Light/Thought Reality originating through the facets of The MATRIX ("Deep" of Genesis 1: 2).

BEING means BE-IN-God. Not the reverse, which is impossible.

Our purpose in life is BE-IN-G, RE-MEMBER-ING, and ultimately EN-JOY-ING the Godliness.

To be HAPPY and smile at our inner Higher Self.

The only real Space there is, is the mental Space within the DreamSpace (Imag-in-ation) of the Mind of God. The only real Time there is, is the pace of the evolvement of God's Awareness within Its Dream through the media of Vibratory Light, as God projects Its Consciousness onto Its own Vibratory Dream (The Matrix).

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MORPHEUS: "I imagine that you know something about virtual reality."

NEO: "A little."

MORPHEUS: "Tell me about it."

NEO: "Essentially, it's a hardware system that uses an apparatus; headgear, gloves and whatever to make you feel that you are in a computer program."

MORPHEUS: "If the virtual reality apparatus, as you called it, was wired to all of your senses and controlled them completely, would you be able to tell the difference between the virtual world and the real world?"

NEO: "You might not. No."

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MORPHEUS: "Do you remember when I asked you about an apparatus that could turn virtual reality onto reality? It is right here."

The MATRIX: The movie. 1999

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The Matrix of life is projected and connected to each perceptual individual consciousness through a Thought/Supercomputer (The Matrix) that interacts with its sensory input/output individual computer (brain).

The Matrix is really a field of pure information, not energy. It underlies and structures all energetic processes. As such it cannot yet be detected by our instruments. It is really the realm of the mythic ether (implicate realm) that physicists know should exist but has not yet been experimentally detected.

Consciousness provides the energy of life.

Original Consciousness has an unfathomable number of connections to the General Thought/Supercomputer. Each connection will be projected for a perceptual lifetime into a story/creation thinking that it is a particular character experiencing a particular life, surrounded by particular entities and reality within an illusory space/time Holographic Virtual Reality. The Creation and the individual will be given a certain history of linearly coherent perceptual history and a sense of possible probable futures.

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SPOON BOY, bending a spoon: "Your spoon does not bend because it is just that, a spoon. Mine bends because there really is no spoon, just my mind. Link yourself to the spoon. Become the spoon and bend yourself."

The MATRIX: The movie. Original script. Larry and Andy Wachowski. April 8, 1996.

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All we are is but wonder-full Holograms of pure light, interfacing with Creative thought, who believe in a material reality because our senses fool us, by the rules of The Matrix, The Matrix reloaded, into perceiving that a solid world exists "out there." Where, in reality, none of the sort is real. No Real solid ever existed, exists, nor will ever exist. We cannot go through a wall because we are not allowed to do so, by the original rules of the computerized thinking Matrix ruled by Original Thought: Infinite Intelligence Itself. The wall is hollow, we are all hollow. Light is but hollow. This is all it can be. All the rest is a Grand Illusion created by the Original Mind!

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MORPHEUS [Showing pure light] : This is the construct. It is our loading program. With it we can load anything.

The MATRIX: The movie. 1999

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The construct to The Matrix of life is pure light and the modulating factor is information/thought. As a matter of fact all light is, is vibratory thought. like what we create when we dream. Vibratory light is light vibrated by sound, manifesting as the material/biological world as it is decoded by our brains.

Each connection of Original Consciousness (Awareness) is therefore projected into an individual Holographic Virtual Reality world which the General Thought Supercomputer will coordinate with other connections of Awareness/Thought that interact with the same virtual reality movie (Creation). The ultimate Cosmic virtual reality sensory video game played by the One Mind!

Life is but the Eternal (Original Awareness-Consciousness) experiencing the temporal realm, for learning purposes.

Each grouping of connections (perceptual consciousnesses) that connects to a shared general story will define a separate Universe/Creation.

There are myriads of such Universes/Creations operating simultaneously within Original Consciousness, up to a potential infinity.

Each one can have a totally different construct of operational rules, and system of creative input/output (Matrices). Many operate within visual (Space/Time) realities of many models and creative dimensions. Others operate within other sensory realms, or even as pure abstract thought.

Original Awareness is the One that fashions all these multiple systems of Creation. It IS totally unlimited in scope of intelligence and potential Awareness. It is only through tremendous restriction of Its Awareness, Intelligence and Capabilities, that It can experience surprises within the trip of the return of Its parts to the total realization of being Original Awareness.

This is the only evolution that really is and operates. This is the impetus/direction and creative force of the Universe. The return of the parts of the IS (children) to the IS (Original Father/Mother). Anything that impedes this natural flow, must ultimately be intervened upon.

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MORPHEUS: "The Matrix is everywhere, it's all around us, here even in this room. You can see it out of your window, or on your television. You feel it when you go to work, or go to church, or pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth."

NEO: "What truth?"

MORPHEUS: "That you are a slave, Neo. That you, like everyone else, was born into bondage. . . kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, or touch. A prison for your mind. Unfortunately no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself."

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That's an interesting point of view. I think you'll find that St. Paul talks a great deal about us getting new bodies in a new redeemed earth in the afterlife tho.


Yes they will be nothing like the bodies we have now.

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Does that mean that the body Jesus has after his resurrection is no indicator of what bodies WE will have after he resurrects us? I've always wondered about this since Jesus still has the marks of the crucifixion on him.

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Does that mean that the body Jesus has after his resurrection is no indicator of what bodies WE will have after he resurrects us? I've always wondered about this since Jesus still has the marks of the crucifixion on him.


At that time he had not ascended to his father.
He meet with his followers so they could be witnesses then he ascended.
He body will have a new form when he returns.

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In christianity, a main them is being in this world (physical world)(matrix) but not of this world.

In essense we are spiritual beings inclosed within physical bodies, so our real home or world is the spiritual world.(real world)

Whatever this is it's not Christianity. Nowhere in the bible it's written that man is a spirit enclosed in a body. Only if overanalyze some sentences. It states the exact opposite:
*Dust to dust
*The resurrection expected by maby Christians (even the resurrection of Jesus) was a bodily ressurection.

It's true that Jesus is said to be conscious within the 2 days of his death, but he was the son of god and he was a spirit with god before he was born.

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If any of you are familliar with Gnosticism, I would be interested in your views into some additional themes related to that belief system besides the "this world is not the real world" belief. Could the layers the Brothers have put into the movies (the mythological names and themes) be the literal gospel we are supposed to unravel? What could "the truth" be? Beyond this request, stop reading because the rest of this post will just be an abbreviated explanation of gnosticism for those who don't know what it is and are interested.

Gnosticism is a form of Christianity that existed at the beginning of the movement. Many of their churches called Paul (yes, THE Paul) their founding father. (it is also interesting to note that this is quite possible for centuries Church leaders denounced Paul as a heretic, while Peter and other apostles he ran into, while they seem to have had some issues [ref 1Corinthians] certainly never did. And that it was only afterlegalistic and false, and yes, I mean false, letters were written and attributed to Paul that the Church leaders accepted him) The gnostics were a mystery cult. Meaning, they had different levels of membership. There was the first level, they read, for example, the Gospel of Mark. They learned it as a literal gospel. Then, they were initiated into the second level, where, they read the Secret Gospel of Mark (I use this example because we have found a very small portion of that secret gospel in the Nag Hammadi gnostic library discovery of 1940, I think it was 1940). This secret gospel explained some of the hidden meanings behind the "literal" story of GOM (Gospel of Mark). After becoming aquainted with the SGOM they were initiated fully into the "cult" and were taught the Truth, which was so secret and valuable that it was only passed on through word of mouth, from the High Priest to the initiate. It is quite possible that THIS is the "true" Christianity, that what we now know as xtianity is a bastardized version, founded by the lowest level initiates of the gnostics, those who only knew the "literal" texts. The Gospel of John is an example of what could very well be a gnostic gospel, "in the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God." Here, the word used is "Logos" (also, a ship in the Matrix, I forget whose, I think Niobe?) the Gnostics saw the Logos (more accurately, "Knowledge") as a divine being, notice that in your Bible the "Word" is capitalized, it's for that reason, that is how he wrote it. The Gnostics also worshipped a Goddess, Sophia, "Wisdom." It is interesting to me that the Brothers did not incorporate her if they were trying for a Gnostic theme, but perhaps Trinity is supposed to be representative of her... I guess that's another post.

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Paul can actually be seen to be against dualist thinking. He claimed that the body was a temple not a prison for this reason. This was, in fact, directly against the gnostics who saw flesh as bad and spirit as good. I don't think this stopped some gnostics from misinterpreting Paul as a supporter of them though.

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Paul is almost certainly a Gnostic thinker and it is quite possible he did found many of the churchs that claim him, as they are in areas in which he travelled heavily. The letters in which he speaks against their thinking are undeniably false or at the least, highly questionable. Scholarly study of his letters, the style of writing, content, etc. point to these things. While most of us hardly have time to study his letters in such depth, I have taken a brief oppurtunity to do so, and this is what I have found. Look again, especially at different between say, I Corinthians and Titus. Look at the style and content, they are utterly different. And, my Bible professor tells me that when you look at it in the original language the difference between such letters are even more strikingly divergent. If we are going by Church tradition of course, you are quite right, he was VERY anti-gnostic thinking. However, the Church denounced him for a couple centuries as a heretic! And he was wildly popular among the common people. The Church only accepted him around the same time that archeologists find remenants of some of those anti-gnostic letters. Hmmm... coincidence? Or were additional letters written and attributed to him in an effort to unite the Christian tradition under the Roman banner when it was established as state religion? You are welcome to your own decision on the matter. [For further reading, a good book is The Jesus Mysteries]

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In christianity, a main them is being in this world (physical world)(matrix) but not of this world.

In essense we are spiritual beings inclosed within physical bodies, so our real home or world is the spiritual world.(real world)
Whatever this is it's not Christianity. Nowhere in the bible it's written that man is a spirit enclosed in a body. [quote]

Actually you are both right.

In christianity is is definitly a main theme that we are to live in this world while not to be OF it.
however, this is rooted in not living in the sinful pleasures of this world but acting instead as children of God.
The "spiritual beings" is scmia's interpretation, THAT, is not a teaching of traditional Christianity and is not directly spoken of in the Bible in any way. That idea is in fact on of the main themes of Gnostic Christianity! at least as far as I understand it.

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Paul is almost certainly a Gnostic thinker


Paul in the book of Romans states, that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (3:23) later, he tells us that the wages of sin is death (6:23) we can tell from the context hat he is speaking of a spiritual death, or being separated from God forever. We are also called to make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill it's lusts (13:14) So it's clear that Paul believes sin is a physical thing that results in an eternity in hell.

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Romans 13:14 does not say anything about physical bodies being prisons for the soul. It simply says that human nature is intrinsically evil and that we need Jesus in order to be freed from sin.

Since I consider that Neo represents Jesus and Smith represents Sin that works great for both religions. But the dualism that physical bodies are bad and only the spirit is good is not a problem here.

Paul isn't talk about 'spiritual' death. If is not yet saved then they are spiritually dead, but they are born again through faith in Christ. In the verse you refer to he is saying that if we do not have faith in Christ we will die. But we are freed from death by faith in Christ because he will ressurect those who trust in him. With new bodies. Spirit is intrinsically linked to body. In fact Paul even claims that the Church is the body of Christ. Body is very important in Paul's teachings.

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Romans 13:14 does not say anything about physical bodies being prisons for the soul. It simply says that human nature is intrinsically evil and that we need Jesus in order to be freed from sin.

Since I consider that Neo represents Jesus and Smith represents Sin that works great for both religions. But the dualism that physical bodies are bad and only the spirit is good is not a problem here.

Paul isn't talk about 'spiritual' death. If is not yet saved then they are spiritually dead, but they are born again through faith in Christ. In the verse you refer to he is saying that if we do not have faith in Christ we will die. But we are freed from death by faith in Christ because he will ressurect those who trust in him. With new bodies. Spirit is intrinsically linked to body. In fact Paul even claims that the Church is the body of Christ. Body is very important in Paul's teachings.
No it doesint work great for both religions the matrix doesint tie into the matrix, Jesus never fought sin he defeated sin the second he died,Neo is still fighting to defeat smith its just a movie, Neo cant represent Jesues becuse jesus was perfect neo is not
i mean neo had premarital sex in the movie, Jesus was pure neo is not. Jesus knew what he was dong when he came down to earth he knew he was dieing on the cross and still did it, neo was confuesed he didint know his purpose. Jesus came down to earth and knew exactly what he was suposed to do at every moment he knew he was going to be betrayed becuse its was all apart of Gods plan, neo got pulled into the matrix by help from morphius and the crew, Jesus was put on the earth by God Jesus is a part of God, God took apart of him-self and created a son to save us from sirital death in hell.

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Romans 13:14 does not say anything about physical bodies being prisons for the soul. It simply says that human nature is intrinsically evil and that we need Jesus in order to be freed from sin.

Since I consider that Neo represents Jesus and Smith represents Sin that works great for both religions. But the dualism that physical bodies are bad and only the spirit is good is not a problem here.

Paul isn't talk about 'spiritual' death. If is not yet saved then they are spiritually dead, but they are born again through faith in Christ. In the verse you refer to he is saying that if we do not have faith in Christ we will die. But we are freed from death by faith in Christ because he will ressurect those who trust in him. With new bodies. Spirit is intrinsically linked to body. In fact Paul even claims that the Church is the body of Christ. Body is very important in Paul's teachings.


I agree with a lot of what you said but certainly not all. First, Romans 13:14
states, "Make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill it's lusts" In other words, you have control over what you do, your sins. This directly contradicts the Gnostic claim, that "my body made me do it"

I can't agree with Neo being a representation of Jesus and if you want to know my reasoning read ice's post ^. I wholly agree with him. The human spirit is innately evil and can only be transformed by the precious blood of Christ and full acceptance of Him. Verses in the New Testament (if you want them, i'll get them for you) tell us that we were once children of darkness, and now (speaking to the Christians) we have passed from that darkness into light with our acceptance of Christ.

I don't want to argue with you. You slightly confused me in the third section of your post. The first two sentences make sense to me, though I do not agree with the first. you said

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In the verse you refer to he is saying that if we do not have faith in Christ we will die.

Since I'm pretty sure you're talking about Rom. 6:23 that does state we will die spiritually. I have a feeling you disagree. Like I said, I'm not here to argue with you. I'm here to state my beliefs.

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No you are absolutely right. It was a criticism.

If we do not have faith in Christ (at some point in our life) then we will (future tense) die.

Physical death. With no resurrection. Not just spiritual death.

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If we do not have faith in Christ (at some point in our life) then we will (future tense) die.

Physical death. With no resurrection. Not just spiritual death.


Yes, whether we believe in Christ or not, we will at some point physically die. (the only exception being believers at the Rapture or the Glorious Appearing) However after physical death we either a)live spiritually in heaven forever; for the believer, "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:Cool or b) we face judgment (Matthew 7:21-23; Revelation 20:14-15) Revelation 20:13 says that those who physically died without Christ will be resurrected, but as the passage surrounding v13 shows, it wo't be pretty...

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Romans 13:14 does not say anything about physical bodies being prisons for the soul. It simply says that human nature is intrinsically evil and that we need Jesus in order to be freed from sin.

Since I consider that Neo represents Jesus and Smith represents Sin that works great for both religions. But the dualism that physical bodies are bad and only the spirit is good is not a problem here.

Paul isn't talk about 'spiritual' death. If is not yet saved then they are spiritually dead, but they are born again through faith in Christ. In the verse you refer to he is saying that if we do not have faith in Christ we will die. But we are freed from death by faith in Christ because he will ressurect those who trust in him. With new bodies. Spirit is intrinsically linked to body. In fact Paul even claims that the Church is the body of Christ. Body is very important in Paul's teachings.
No it doesint work great for both religions the matrix doesint tie into the matrix, Jesus never fought sin he defeated sin the second he died,Neo is still fighting to defeat smith its just a movie, Neo cant represent Jesues becuse jesus was perfect neo is not
i mean neo had premarital sex in the movie, Jesus was pure neo is not. Jesus knew what he was dong when he came down to earth he knew he was dieing on the cross and still did it, neo was confuesed he didint know his purpose. Jesus came down to earth and knew exactly what he was suposed to do at every moment he knew he was going to be betrayed becuse its was all apart of Gods plan, neo got pulled into the matrix by help from morphius and the crew, Jesus was put on the earth by God Jesus is a part of God, God took apart of him-self and created a son to save us from sirital death in hell.


this is a silly and close minded argument. open up your eyes for just a second and see the parallels. it is not a dig on your faith, it is not trying to say that Jesus was like Neo. but that doesn't mean there are no parallels or that Neo is supposed to be an interpretation of Jesus made to fit the Matrix world.

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quote]No it doesint work great for both religions the matrix doesint tie into the matrix, Jesus never fought sin he defeated sin the second he died,Neo is still fighting to defeat smith its just a movie, Neo cant represent Jesues becuse jesus was perfect neo is not
i mean neo had premarital sex in the movie, Jesus was pure neo is not. Jesus knew what he was dong when he came down to earth he knew he was dieing on the cross and still did it, neo was confuesed he didint know his purpose. Jesus came down to earth and knew exactly what he was suposed to do at every moment he knew he was going to be betrayed becuse its was all apart of Gods plan, neo got pulled into the matrix by help from morphius and the crew, Jesus was put on the earth by God Jesus is a part of God, God took apart of him-self and created a son to save us from sirital death in hell.


this is what I was talking about in my post. It seems the wrong passage was quoted.

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Romans 13:14 does not say anything about physical bodies being prisons for the soul. It simply says that human nature is intrinsically evil and that we need Jesus in order to be freed from sin.

Since I consider that Neo represents Jesus and Smith represents Sin that works great for both religions. But the dualism that physical bodies are bad and only the spirit is good is not a problem here.

Paul isn't talk about 'spiritual' death. If is not yet saved then they are spiritually dead, but they are born again through faith in Christ. In the verse you refer to he is saying that if we do not have faith in Christ we will die. But we are freed from death by faith in Christ because he will ressurect those who trust in him. With new bodies. Spirit is intrinsically linked to body. In fact Paul even claims that the Church is the body of Christ. Body is very important in Paul's teachings.
No it doesint work great for both religions the matrix doesint tie into the matrix, Jesus never fought sin he defeated sin the second he died,Neo is still fighting to defeat smith its just a movie, Neo cant represent Jesues becuse jesus was perfect neo is not
i mean neo had premarital sex in the movie, Jesus was pure neo is not. Jesus knew what he was dong when he came down to earth he knew he was dieing on the cross and still did it, neo was confuesed he didint know his purpose. Jesus came down to earth and knew exactly what he was suposed to do at every moment he knew he was going to be betrayed becuse its was all apart of Gods plan, neo got pulled into the matrix by help from morphius and the crew, Jesus was put on the earth by God Jesus is a part of God, God took apart of him-self and created a son to save us from sirital death in hell.
this is a silly and close minded argument. open up your eyes for just a second and see the parallels. it is not a dig on your faith, it is not trying to say that Jesus was like Neo. but that doesn't mean there are no parallels or that Neo is supposed to be an interpretation of Jesus made to fit the Matrix world.
No i absolutly agree i know it wasint a dig on my faith, i didint mean it to be offensive by it i was pointing out that there was no connection becuse the only way to explain the Bible is by reading it

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No i absolutly agree i know it wasint a dig on my faith, i didint mean it to be offensive by it i was pointing out that there was no connection becuse the only way to explain the Bible is by reading it[/quote]

But some will attempt to discount your faith, but it does not make your faith any less, because it is only their thoughts and beliefs.

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But some will attempt to discount your faith, but it does not make your faith any less, because it is only their thoughts and beliefs.


I don't think that ice was trying to protect his faith; if he thought it needed protecting, he wouldn't be here. I think the goal is to share his faith in a way that makes people unoffended with anything but his message. You don't have to believe it or accept it or even respect it, you don't have to do anything. I would ask, however, (and I think he'll back me up) that you give it a shot. He's trying to explain the Truth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Not push it on people, not scream that they're all wrong and he's all right. Simply to share.

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But some will attempt to discount your faith, but it does not make your faith any less, because it is only their thoughts and beliefs.
I don't think that ice was trying to protect his faith; if he thought it needed protecting, he wouldn't be here. I think the goal is to share his faith in a way that makes people unoffended with anything but his message. You don't have to believe it or accept it or even respect it, you don't have to do anything. I would ask, however, (and I think he'll back me up) that you give it a shot. He's trying to explain the Truth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Not push it on people, not scream that they're all wrong and he's all right. Simply to share.
Yes i was only trying to share my faith becuse God commanded me too like the book of Matthew says[Quote] Go therefore and make deciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit,teaching them to observe all things that i have commaned you; and lo, I am with you always even to the end of the age.''amen.(19-20) and im sharing becuse its true all scripture is God breathed wich means he spoke it down to the last letter, he doesint need any of us but he loved us enough to send his son for us. here srry its a little long but these are storys and tell me what you think.

You're driving home from work next Monday after a long day. You tune in your radio. You hear a blurb about a little village in India where some villagers have died suddenly, strangely, of a flu that has never been seen before. It's not influenza, but
three or four people are dead, and it's kind of interesting, and they are sending some doctors over there to investigate it. You don't think much about it, but coming home from church on Sunday you hear another radio spot. Only they say it's not three villagers, it's 30,000 villagers in the back hills of this particular area of India, and it's on TV that night. CNN runs a little blurb:
people are heading there from the disease center in Atlanta because this disease strain has never been seen before. By Monday morning when you get up, it's the lead story. It's not just India; it's Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, and before you know it, you're hearing this story everywhere, and they have now coined it as "the mystery flu." The President has made some comment that he and his family are praying and hoping that all will go well over there. But everyone is wondering, "How are we going to contain it?"
That's when the President of France makes an announcement that shocks Europe. He is closing their borders. No flights from India, Pakistan, or any of the
countries where this thing has been seen. And that's why that night you are watching a little bit of CNN before going to bed. Your jaw hits your chest when a weeping woman is translated into English from a French news program. There's a man lying in a hospital in Paris, dying of the mystery flu. It has come to Europe. Panic strikes. As best they can tell, after contracting the disease, you have it for a week before you even know it. Then you have four days of unbelievable symptoms. And then you die. Britain closes its borders, but it's too late. Southampton, Liverpool, London, and it's Tuesday morning when the President of the United States makes the following announcement: "Due to a national-security risk, all flights to and from Europe and Asia have been canceled. If your loved ones are overseas, I'm sorry. They cannot come back until we find a cure for this thing." Within four days, our nation has been plunged into an unbelievable fear. People are wondering, "What if it comes to this country?" And preachers on Tuesday are saying it's the scourge of God. It's Wednesday night, and you are at a church prayer meeting when somebody runs in from the parking lot and yells, "Turn on a radio, turn on a radio!" And while everyone in church listens to a little transistor radio with a microphone stuck up to it, the announcement is made. Two women are lying in a Long Island hospital, dying from the mystery flu. Within hours it seems, the disease envelops the country. People are working around the clock, trying to find an antidote. Nothing is working. California, Oregon, Arizona, Florida,
Massachusetts. It's as though it's just sweeping in from the borders. And then all of a sudden the news comes out. The code has been broken. A cure can be found. A vaccine can be made. It's going to take the blood of somebody who hasn't been infected, and so, sure enough, all through the Midwest, through all
those channels of emergency broadcasting, everyone is asked to do one simple thing: Go to your downtown hospital and have your blood analyzed. That's all we ask of you. When you hear the sirens go off in your neighborhood, please make your way quickly, quietly, and safely to the hospitals. Sure enough, when you and your family get down there late on that Friday night, there is a long line, and they've got nurses and doctors coming out and pricking fingers and taking blood and putting labels on it. Your spouse and your kids are out there, and they take your blood and say, "Wait here in the parking lot, and if we call your name, you can be dismissed and go home." You stand around, scared, with your neighbors, wondering what on earth is going on, and if this is the end of the world. Suddenly, a young man comes running out of the hospital screaming. He's yelling a name and waving a clipboard. What? He yells it again! And your son tugs on your jacket and says, "Daddy, that's me." Before you know it, they have grabbed your boy. "Wait a minute. Hold on!" And they say, "It's okay, his blood is clean. His blood is pure. We want to make sure he doesn't have the disease. We think he has the right blood type." Five tense minutes later, out come the doctors and nurses crying and hugging one another - some are even laughing. It's the first time you have seen anybody laugh in a week, and an old doctor walks up to you and says, "Thank you, sir. Your son's blood is perfect. It's clean, it is pure, and we can make the vaccine." As the word begins to spread all across that parking lot full of folks, people are screaming and praying and laughing and crying. But then the gray-haired doctor pulls you and your wife aside and says, "May we see you for a moment? We didn't realize that the donor would be a minor and we... we need you to sign a consent form."
You begin to sign, and then you see that the box for the number of pints of blood to be taken is empty. "H-h-h-how many pints?" And that is when the old doctor's smile fades, and he says, "We had no idea it would be a little child. We weren't prepared. We need it all!"
"But... but . . . I don't understand. He's my only
son!" "We are talking about the
whole world here. Please sign. We... we... need to hurry!"
"But can't you give him a transfusion?"
"If we had clean blood we would. Please, will you please sign?" In numb silence you do. Then they say, "Would you like to have a moment with him before we begin?"
Could you walk back? Could you walk back to that room where he sits on a table saying, "Daddy? Mommy? What's going on?" Could you take his hands and say, "Son, your mommy and I love you, and we would never, ever let anything happen to you that didn't just have to be! Do you understand that?" And when that old doctor comes back in and says, "I'm sorry, we've got to get started.
People all over the world are dying," could you leave? Could you walk out while he is saying, "Dad? Mom? Dad? Why ... why have you abandoned me?"
And then next week, when they have the ceremony to honor your son, and some folks sleep through it, and some folks don't even bother to come because they have better things to do, and some folks come with a pretentious smile and just pretend to care, would you want to jump up and say, "EXCUSE ME! MY SON DIED FOR YOU! DON'T YOU EVEN CARE? DOES IT MEAN NOTHING TO YOU?" I wonder, is that what God wants to say? "MY SON DIED FOR YOU! DOES IT MEAN NOTHING? DON'T YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I CARE?"

Now after God gives his son here is what he did for us.

THE ROOM-TRUE STORY
17-year-old Brian Moore had only a short time to write an essay for a school project. The subject was "What Heaven was like?" "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's killer. It's the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the last.
Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when a cousin found it while cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teays Valley High School. Brian had been dead only hours, but his parents desperately wanted every piece of his life near them-notes from classmates and teachers, his homework. Only two months before, he had handwritten the essay about encountering Jesus in a file room full of cards detailing every moment of the teen's life. But it was only after Brian's death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized that their son had described his view of heaven. "It makes such
an impact that people want to share it. You feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. Brian Moore died May 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. The Moores framed a copy of Brian's essay and hung it among the family portraits in the living room. "I think God used him to make a point. I think we were meant to find it and make something out of it, " Mrs. Moore said of the essay. She and her husband want to share their son's vision of life after death. "I'm happy for Brian. I know he's in heaven. I know I'll see him. " Brian's Essay: The Room...
In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I found myself in the
room.
There were no distinguishing features except for the one wall covered
with small index card files. They were like the ones in libraries that
list
titles by author or subject in alphabetical order. But these files, which
stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly endless in either
direction,
had very different headings.
As I drew near the wall of files, the first to catch my attention was one
that read "Girls I have liked." I opened it and began flipping through
the
cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the names
written on each one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where I
was.
This lifeless room with its small files was a crude catalog system for my
life. Here were written the actions of my every moment, big and small, in
a
detail my memory couldn't match. A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled
with horror, stirred within me as I began randomly opening files and
exploring their content. Some brought joy and sweet memories; others a
sense of shame and regret so intense that I would look over my shoulder
to
see if anyone was watching.
A file named "Friends" was next to one marked "Friends I have
betrayed."
The titles ranged from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I Have
Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I have Given," "Jokes I Have Laughed
at." Some were almost hilarious in their exactness: "Things I've yelled
at
my brothers " Others I couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My
Anger",
"Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents." I never ceased to
be surprised by the contents.
Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than
I
hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had lived.
Could
it be possible that I had the time in my years to fill each of these
thousands or even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this truth.
Each was written in my own handwriting. Each signed with my signature.
When I pulled out the file marked "TV Shows I have watched", I realized
the
files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed tightly, and
yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut
it, shamed, not so much by the quality of shows but more by the vast time
I
knew that file represented.
When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts," I felt a chill run
through my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not willing to test
its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed content.
I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded. An almost
animal
rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No one must ever see
these
cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to destroy them!" In an
insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't matter now. I had to
empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it at one end and began
pounding
it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became desperate
and
pulled out a card, only to find it as strong as steel when I tried to
tear
it.
Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file to its slot. Leaning
my
forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying sigh.
And then I saw it. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel With."
The handle was brighter than those around it, newer, almost unused. I
pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long fell
into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand.
And then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they hurt.
They
started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and cried.
I
cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of
file
shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of
this
room. I must lock it up and hide the key. But then as I pushed away the
tears, I saw Him.
No, please not Him. Not here. Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly
as
He began to open the files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch
His
response. And in the moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I
saw a sorrow deeper than my own. He seemed to intuitively go to the worst
boxes. Why did He have to read every one? Finally He turned and looked at
me from across the room. He looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this
was a pity that didn't anger me. I dropped my head, covered my face with
my
hands and began to cry again. He walked over and put His arm around me.
He
could have said so many things. But He didn't say a word. He just cried
with me.
Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting at one end
of
the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign His name over
mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could find to
say
was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't be on
these
cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. The
name of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood. He gently took
the card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the cards. I don't
think I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly, but the next instant
it seemed I heard Him close the last file and walk back to my side.
He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is finished." I stood up,
and He led me out of the room. There was no lock on its door. There were
still cards to be written.
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."-Phil. 4:13 "For
God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes
in
Him shall not perish but have eternal life." If you feel the same way
forward it to as many people as you can so the love of Jesus will touch
their lives also. My "People I shared the gospel with" file just got
bigger, how about yours?
IF THERE IS ONE EMAIL THAT I HAVE READ THAT NEEDS TO GO AROUND THE
WORLD,
IT IS THIS ONE, PLEASE PASS THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW, CHRISTIAN OR NOT!
LET'S
FILL OUR OWN "FILE CARD" AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

Any questions at all please ''PM me''

icericce96

  

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scmia wrote:

But some will attempt to discount your faith, but it does not make your faith any less, because it is only their thoughts and beliefs.
I don't think that ice was trying to protect his faith; if he thought it needed protecting, he wouldn't be here. I think the goal is to share his faith in a way that makes people unoffended with anything but his message. You don't have to believe it or accept it or even respect it, you don't have to do anything. I would ask, however, (and I think he'll back me up) that you give it a shot. He's trying to explain the Truth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Not push it on people, not scream that they're all wrong and he's all right. Simply to share.
Yes i was only trying to share my faith becuse God commanded me too like the book of Matthew says[Quote] Go therefore and make deciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit,teaching them to observe all things that i have commaned you; and lo, I am with you always even to the end of the age.''amen.(19-20) and im sharing becuse its true all scripture is God breathed wich means he spoke it down to the last letter, he doesint need any of us but he loved us enough to send his son for us. here srry its a little long but these are storys and tell me what you think.

You're driving home from work next Monday after a long day. You tune in your radio. You hear a blurb about a little village in India where some villagers have died suddenly, strangely, of a flu that has never been seen before. It's not influenza, but
three or four people are dead, and it's kind of interesting, and they are sending some doctors over there to investigate it. You don't think much about it, but coming home from church on Sunday you hear another radio spot. Only they say it's not three villagers, it's 30,000 villagers in the back hills of this particular area of India, and it's on TV that night. CNN runs a little blurb:
people are heading there from the disease center in Atlanta because this disease strain has never been seen before. By Monday morning when you get up, it's the lead story. It's not just India; it's Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, and before you know it, you're hearing this story everywhere, and they have now coined it as "the mystery flu." The President has made some comment that he and his family are praying and hoping that all will go well over there. But everyone is wondering, "How are we going to contain it?"
That's when the President of France makes an announcement that shocks Europe. He is closing their borders. No flights from India, Pakistan, or any of the
countries where this thing has been seen. And that's why that night you are watching a little bit of CNN before going to bed. Your jaw hits your chest when a weeping woman is translated into English from a French news program. There's a man lying in a hospital in Paris, dying of the mystery flu. It has come to Europe. Panic strikes. As best they can tell, after contracting the disease, you have it for a week before you even know it. Then you have four days of unbelievable symptoms. And then you die. Britain closes its borders, but it's too late. Southampton, Liverpool, London, and it's Tuesday morning when the President of the United States makes the following announcement: "Due to a national-security risk, all flights to and from Europe and Asia have been canceled. If your loved ones are overseas, I'm sorry. They cannot come back until we find a cure for this thing." Within four days, our nation has been plunged into an unbelievable fear. People are wondering, "What if it comes to this country?" And preachers on Tuesday are saying it's the scourge of God. It's Wednesday night, and you are at a church prayer meeting when somebody runs in from the parking lot and yells, "Turn on a radio, turn on a radio!" And while everyone in church listens to a little transistor radio with a microphone stuck up to it, the announcement is made. Two women are lying in a Long Island hospital, dying from the mystery flu. Within hours it seems, the disease envelops the country. People are working around the clock, trying to find an antidote. Nothing is working. California, Oregon, Arizona, Florida,
Massachusetts. It's as though it's just sweeping in from the borders. And then all of a sudden the news comes out. The code has been broken. A cure can be found. A vaccine can be made. It's going to take the blood of somebody who hasn't been infected, and so, sure enough, all through the Midwest, through all
those channels of emergency broadcasting, everyone is asked to do one simple thing: Go to your downtown hospital and have your blood analyzed. That's all we ask of you. When you hear the sirens go off in your neighborhood, please make your way quickly, quietly, and safely to the hospitals. Sure enough, when you and your family get down there late on that Friday night, there is a long line, and they've got nurses and doctors coming out and pricking fingers and taking blood and putting labels on it. Your spouse and your kids are out there, and they take your blood and say, "Wait here in the parking lot, and if we call your name, you can be dismissed and go home." You stand around, scared, with your neighbors, wondering what on earth is going on, and if this is the end of the world. Suddenly, a young man comes running out of the hospital screaming. He's yelling a name and waving a clipboard. What? He yells it again! And your son tugs on your jacket and says, "Daddy, that's me." Before you know it, they have grabbed your boy. "Wait a minute. Hold on!" And they say, "It's okay, his blood is clean. His blood is pure. We want to make sure he doesn't have the disease. We think he has the right blood type." Five tense minutes later, out come the doctors and nurses crying and hugging one another - some are even laughing. It's the first time you have seen anybody laugh in a week, and an old doctor walks up to you and says, "Thank you, sir. Your son's blood is perfect. It's clean, it is pure, and we can make the vaccine." As the word begins to spread all across that parking lot full of folks, people are screaming and praying and laughing and crying. But then the gray-haired doctor pulls you and your wife aside and says, "May we see you for a moment? We didn't realize that the donor would be a minor and we... we need you to sign a consent form."
You begin to sign, and then you see that the box for the number of pints of blood to be taken is empty. "H-h-h-how many pints?" And that is when the old doctor's smile fades, and he says, "We had no idea it would be a little child. We weren't prepared. We need it all!"
"But... but . . . I don't understand. He's my only
son!" "We are talking about the
whole world here. Please sign. We... we... need to hurry!"
"But can't you give him a transfusion?"
"If we had clean blood we would. Please, will you please sign?" In numb silence you do. Then they say, "Would you like to have a moment with him before we begin?"
Could you walk back? Could you walk back to that room where he sits on a table saying, "Daddy? Mommy? What's going on?" Could you take his hands and say, "Son, your mommy and I love you, and we would never, ever let anything happen to you that didn't just have to be! Do you understand that?" And when that old doctor comes back in and says, "I'm sorry, we've got to get started.
People all over the world are dying," could you leave? Could you walk out while he is saying, "Dad? Mom? Dad? Why ... why have you abandoned me?"
And then next week, when they have the ceremony to honor your son, and some folks sleep through it, and some folks don't even bother to come because they have better things to do, and some folks come with a pretentious smile and just pretend to care, would you want to jump up and say, "EXCUSE ME! MY SON DIED FOR YOU! DON'T YOU EVEN CARE? DOES IT MEAN NOTHING TO YOU?" I wonder, is that what God wants to say? "MY SON DIED FOR YOU! DOES IT MEAN NOTHING? DON'T YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I CARE?"

Now after God gives his son here is what he did for us.

THE ROOM-TRUE STORY
17-year-old Brian Moore had only a short time to write an essay for a school project. The subject was "What Heaven was like?" "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's killer. It's the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the last.
Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when a cousin found it while cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teays Valley High School. Brian had been dead only hours, but his parents desperately wanted every piece of his life near them-notes from classmates and teachers, his homework. Only two months before, he had handwritten the essay about encountering Jesus in a file room full of cards detailing every moment of the teen's life. But it was only after Brian's death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized that their son had described his view of heaven. "It makes such
an impact that people want to share it. You feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. Brian Moore died May 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. The Moores framed a copy of Brian's essay and hung it among the family portraits in the living room. "I think God used him to make a point. I think we were meant to find it and make something out of it, " Mrs. Moore said of the essay. She and her husband want to share their son's vision of life after death. "I'm happy for Brian. I know he's in heaven. I know I'll see him. " Brian's Essay: The Room...
In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I found myself in the
room.
There were no distinguishing features except for the one wall covered
with small index card files. They were like the ones in libraries that
list
titles by author or subject in alphabetical order. But these files, which
stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly endless in either
direction,
had very different headings.
As I drew near the wall of files, the first to catch my attention was one
that read "Girls I have liked." I opened it and began flipping through
the
cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the names
written on each one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where I
was.
This lifeless room with its small files was a crude catalog system for my
life. Here were written the actions of my every moment, big and small, in
a
detail my memory couldn't match. A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled
with horror, stirred within me as I began randomly opening files and
exploring their content. Some brought joy and sweet memories; others a
sense of shame and regret so intense that I would look over my shoulder
to
see if anyone was watching.
A file named "Friends" was next to one marked "Friends I have
betrayed."
The titles ranged from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I Have
Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I have Given," "Jokes I Have Laughed
at." Some were almost hilarious in their exactness: "Things I've yelled
at
my brothers " Others I couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My
Anger",
"Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents." I never ceased to
be surprised by the contents.
Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than
I
hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had lived.
Could
it be possible that I had the time in my years to fill each of these
thousands or even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this truth.
Each was written in my own handwriting. Each signed with my signature.
When I pulled out the file marked "TV Shows I have watched", I realized
the
files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed tightly, and
yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut
it, shamed, not so much by the quality of shows but more by the vast time
I
knew that file represented.
When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts," I felt a chill run
through my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not willing to test
its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed content.
I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded. An almost
animal
rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No one must ever see
these
cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to destroy them!" In an
insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't matter now. I had to
empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it at one end and began
pounding
it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became desperate
and
pulled out a card, only to find it as strong as steel when I tried to
tear
it.
Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file to its slot. Leaning
my
forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying sigh.
And then I saw it. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel With."
The handle was brighter than those around it, newer, almost unused. I
pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long fell
into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand.
And then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they hurt.
They
started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and cried.
I
cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of
file
shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of
this
room. I must lock it up and hide the key. But then as I pushed away the
tears, I saw Him.
No, please not Him. Not here. Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly
as
He began to open the files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch
His
response. And in the moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I
saw a sorrow deeper than my own. He seemed to intuitively go to the worst
boxes. Why did He have to read every one? Finally He turned and looked at
me from across the room. He looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this
was a pity that didn't anger me. I dropped my head, covered my face with
my
hands and began to cry again. He walked over and put His arm around me.
He
could have said so many things. But He didn't say a word. He just cried
with me.
Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting at one end
of
the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign His name over
mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could find to
say
was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't be on
these
cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. The
name of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood. He gently took
the card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the cards. I don't
think I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly, but the next instant
it seemed I heard Him close the last file and walk back to my side.
He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is finished." I stood up,
and He led me out of the room. There was no lock on its door. There were
still cards to be written.
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."-Phil. 4:13 "For
God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes
in
Him shall not perish but have eternal life." If you feel the same way
forward it to as many people as you can so the love of Jesus will touch
their lives also. My "People I shared the gospel with" file just got
bigger, how about yours?
IF THERE IS ONE EMAIL THAT I HAVE READ THAT NEEDS TO GO AROUND THE
WORLD,
IT IS THIS ONE, PLEASE PASS THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW, CHRISTIAN OR NOT!
LET'S
FILL OUR OWN "FILE CARD" AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

Any questions at all please ''PM me''

icericce96

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