»Sati is the new breed«

After watching revolutions i found the convo between Neo and Rama very interesting. Sati was created between Rama and his wife because they loved each other, not by the machines for a perpose within the matrix. Because she was created 'just' to be their daughter the machines considered this to be 'without perpose' and therefore not needed thus the threat of deletion. Surely this must have happened before within the matrix so it can only be a guess as to how many 'without perpose' programs are running around. I think this is were the term Rogue program comes to light. These programs are not 'restricted' by rules and can become whatever they want(which i can see the machines seeing as dangerous and hence the need for the Agents) Sati (thanks to Neo) is the first of the 'exiles' to be allowed by the machines to exist in the matrix without fear of deletion. I think the machines came to realise that these AI's are the next evolutionary step in their future as well as the humans.
She is the new breed hence her sunrise for Neo's sacrifice.

I agree. I think Sati is a new type of program. She seems to be more "human-like" than the other programs. I want to read the Rama-Kandra dialogue again, because I think there is a lot of meaning in it that is important to understanding the movies. The tone of his response when Neo is surprised that program feel "love" is kind of like a rebuke, like"of course we feel love, you self-centered jerk, do you think human have the monopoly on it?" This gives me the idea that other programs were created in the same fashion as Sati before.

I also think Sati is different because of the way she talks at the end. She creates a sunrise because she thinks it is pretty and she thinks Neo would have liked it. This gives A LOT of insight because no other program ever tries to sympathize with a human, not even the oracle. I also think she made the sunrise out of her own free will and not because Sunrises are now her "purpose." A program created out of love with free will and empathy. I think Sati is possibly an evolution of the machine intelligence.

I agree. I think Sati is a new type of program. She seems to be more "human-like" than the other programs. I want to read the Rama-Kandra dialogue again, because I think there is a lot of meaning in it that is important to understanding the movies. The tone of his response when Neo is surprised that program feel "love" is kind of like a rebuke, like"of course we feel love, you self-centered jerk, do you think human have the monopoly on it?" This gives me the idea that other programs were created in the same fashion as Sati before.

I also think Sati is different because of the way she talks at the end. She creates a sunrise because she thinks it is pretty and she thinks Neo would have liked it. This gives A LOT of insight because no other program ever tries to sympathize with a human, not even the oracle. I also think she made the sunrise out of her own free will and not because Sunrises are now her "purpose." A program created out of love with free will and empathy. I think Sati is possibly an evolution of the machine intelligence.

So how did Sati come to be? Did the programs have to follow the same rules as in The Matrix itself and copulate to get Sati, or did they have to create her by programming her? Just a question thats been bothering me.

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After watching revolutions i found the convo between Neo and Rama very interesting. Sati was created between Rama and his wife because they loved each other, not by the machines for a perpose within the matrix. Because she was created 'just' to be their daughter the machines considered this to be 'without perpose' and therefore not needed thus the threat of deletion. Surely this must have happened before within the matrix so it can only be a guess as to how many 'without perpose' programs are running around. I think this is were the term Rogue program comes to light. These programs are not 'restricted' by rules and can become whatever they want(which i can see the machines seeing as dangerous and hence the need for the Agents) Sati (thanks to Neo) is the first of the 'exiles' to be allowed by the machines to exist in the matrix without fear of deletion. I think the machines came to realise that these AI's are the next evolutionary step in their future as well as the humans. She is the new breed hence her sunrise for Neo's sacrifice.

She must be the one. Remember in part one when morpheus says the first one was born IN THE MATRIX

Another theory i have is that both sati and the kid probably woulda been candidates for neo to pick from if he had chosen the door on the right, cuz they show extraordinary charachteristics

thisr theory is that neo is still alive. see how everyone else absorbed by smith (sati,seraph,oracle) is still alive at the end, and we see neo lying in that puddle? i say he's still alive

In the game "Enter the Matrix" there are a scene where the Oracle explains why she have a new "shell". She was sold out by two programs that she trusted, because of their love to their child. Sati fits the picture here. Furthermore, why would the Merovingian smuggle Sati into the Matrix?
Answer: Rama and Kandra knew the vital information about the Oracle and the Merovingian wanted to "kill" the Oracle for some strange reason. But failed to a degree...again?

Another interresting twist is that the Oracle speaks about changing her "shell" numerous times. Why?
My opinion is that Sati, Rama, Kandra and the whole system of events has been before, but will not come again since Neo disrupted the cycle.

Sati is definitely the child referred to in "Enter the Matrix." This is pretty much corroborated because Rama-Kandra is the same guy as the guy who is being led away from the Merovingian when Neo and co. come to see him in Reloaded. This implies the Rama-Kandra struck the deal with Mero and betrayed the oracle.

I don't remember the part about the oracle saying she had changed shells several times, but I don't know if that necessarily means that every time she did it, it was because of Sati. I'm sure the Merovingian and other programs have many reasons to want the oracle terminated.

I see sati as the 'one or maybe the the new "one" because yes she was born in the matrix, not human or in a crop field somewhere. But she was born inside ,like the archetiect ,and she could change it to her liking, hence the sunrise for neo. She could be the one who will bring balence to the matrix and maybe she never came about before because the previous anamolies usually chose the other door and never went as far as Neo did. This overlapping and making system errors and having neo wake up in the matrix train station with the new one.

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In the game "Enter the Matrix" there are a scene where the Oracle explains why she have a new "shell".

I just played the game myself and found the following strange:

Seraph comes to the Oracle and she thanks him for coming so fast and he says that he is forever indebted for what she did for him. This sounds for me as if it was chronologically before NEO fights Seraph in Reloaded. As if Seraph and the Oracle met again after a long time. However in 'Enter the Matrix' the Oracle already has her new Shell while in Reloaded she has her old Shellwhen NEO meets her.

Is their any explanation for this (besides that maybe the shooting took place after the reloaded shooting)

I'm sorry this hasn't to to with Sati but since someone who played the game is active in this thread I tried to post it here

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I also think she made the sunrise out of her own free will and not because Sunrises are now her "purpose."

When Smith had taken over Sati the weather consisted of torrents of rain
(similar to the water pouring down in M1 when Neo waits under the bridge for Trinity et at). That was Smith's "redecorating" of the Matrix via control over Sati's powers.


I wonder how Sati, whose thoughtful gesture in making a sunrise for Neo, would react if she were angered. She is just a kid and therefore subject to tantrums like any other child, except her's might have the effect of of a 2-ton megabomb.

Firstly it wasn't Neo lying in the puddle, unless my eyes deceived me, it was the oracle. I think that the WB's not only use religion, cultures, etc to tell their story, but world views, masculine/feminine. Didn't the original oracle Gloria someone die after the making of the first two films, so therefore they would have had to rewrite some bits of it to explain why she was different. Sati as it has been said before is the belief in Indian tradidion and culture that women should honour their deceased husbands by throwing themselves or imoliating themselves on their dead husbands funeral pire. This was supposed to also make her an honourable woman. In my opinion it was another way of saying she has no purpose now as her only purpose was to serve her husband, so it is a way of getting rid of someone who will only take up the few resources that were available. In the movie the Indian father talks to Neo about his daughter having no purpose and he wants to save her. In christianity, we have a similar sort of believe system. For instance when a father died and he was left only a daughter, his assets were passed on to her husband when she married. So she didn't ever inherit anything at all, and of course it was a good reason to keep her tied to her husband, even though he may have been a bastard. In the Landmark Forums they talk about machines like humans. If you are not in touch with your feelings or emotions, what are you? a machine in automatic. I'm not convinced about the Landmark Forums, but it certainly does explain the human condition from the Industrial and scientific Revolutions, which of course were particularly masculine projects even to the point of auto-eroticism, cars changing to humans and visa versa in ads etc. Men talking of loving his new car so much he would give everything else up in the world for it. In psychology, particularly Jungian psychology, they talk of the 'return of the feminine', which psychologically means a return of the feminine part of our psyche which was sent deep into the unconscious through various means in the last thousand years, particularly the burning of the witches and the inquisitions where millions of women were murdered, mostly so some powerful male could confiscate her land, and anything else they could lay their hands on, perhaps it is the reason why many women now are having dreams around the crucifixion with women on the cross and voices telling them in dreams to 'ask to be shown the goddess'. The feminine side of the psyche is the asthetic, feeling, emotional, creative side of the human psyche, which is why gays have been persecuted, women burned to death, cultures hating girl children and killing them at birth, after all it is referred to as the inferior function. We have been mislead by this, because it is only when integrating the lost side of ourselves that we become whole, and are truly able to discern truth, reality, and most of all experience love. As I've said before if the WB's wanted to make a difference, this is a pretty good way of doing it, because it has the whole world wondering and talking and listening to new ideas and meanings, and I say good on them, I hope they do more of the same.

perhaps the wife is important...she is the programme which governs some artificial intelligence within the matrix(or perhaps other machines)

i therefor think that she created sati herself and this would imply that she was going beyond the boundaries of her own programming in order to create a programme with no purpose...this in turn implies that it is the wife who has "human" qualities

How can she be the One? I thought the One had to be a human? Especially since some powers are only useable in the physical world (blowing up sentinels.. seeing Gold Code.. etc)

Shes not the One

Did you notice how Sat was able to forecast the coming of the Train 1 min before it arrived ? When her and Seraph try to hide from Smith, she knows that he's coming.

This is not a proof, but I feel like Sati has some common habilities with the Oracle. Maybe that the Oracle is different at every reload and that the previous Oracle must "train" the next one.
However, this iteration of the matrix is very different from the previous one so maybe this is the first time that the Oracle must train someone else.

To those who are familliar with HINDU myth.

SATI is actually SAKTI. that is a HINDU Deity

anyone care to elaborate more

No, Sati is not anologous to Shakti.

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Did you notice how Sat was able to forecast the coming of the Train 1 min before it arrived ?

Did you hear the modem-like sound?

Either way, I also fancy the idea that the Oracle is training Sati to be the next Oracle. She's teaching her how to make cookies for Christs' sake. How more Oracle-ish can you get?

Especially the blank halo around Sati, the other blank code we see is when Smith takes over the Oracle (she shines with white light).

Oh yeah, also when Smith leaves the matrix through a phoneline (after he copied Bane), we see blank wires appearing under his skin.
And of course when Neo "explode" of light at the end, and when all the Smith's are erased.

For me, the blank light is the very basic code of the matrix, what we should call the source code, the orange code being obviously the one used at a higher level.

when i watched the opening credits in revolutions i got the impression that the gold code was the very basic code that made up the green gode like in VB if you use a function there is coding behind that to tell it what it means.

If you watch the opening again, you'll see that we don't really go deep in the golden code.
The source is supposed to be the symbol of the real God, they don't show it in the beginning because the creation and the creator are not the same concept.

On the other hand, Larry said that it was an analogy of the big bang, and the light didn't exist when the universe was born (it appeared about 300.000 years later) wich means that the source of the creation was invisible. They probably followed that fact in their analogy.

so u think there is a code behind the gold code which cant be seen? that is the real code of the matrix?

If you look at how modern day software is coded, they are build up of "layers". Build from machine language to "human language". Machine language being binary 010100110010 codes. On top of that we use Processor instruction language (assembly). On top of that are the modern day programming languages like C or Delphi etc. We rarely code in the lower levels these days (binary or Assembly).

So the levels of code in the matrix could relay to this (in some form). For example: Green being the top Human layer, Gold the assembly language, and white being the binary language.

But if this is thru, one thing puzzles me, why do machines need higher level programming languages? They think in binary. Or are they so far evolved that they too need human like terms to describe their programming (functions etc). Or is it inherent to the programming off the initial AI?

Anyway just my two testicles.
and ps , sati could hear the train coming .

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so u think there is a code behind the gold code which cant be seen? that is the real code of the matrix?

Not really a code. The Source, as Prophet explained it so well .

Nice post Prophet, I was just going to give the same explanation

The source is not really a code, it's rather the numeric system used by the mainframe, like binary in our actual computers.

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They think in binary. Or are they so far evolved that they too need human like terms to describe their programming (functions etc). Or is it inherent to the programming off the initial AI?

My theory is that the machines are using human beings as cheap processors, in the same way that we were using them before the war (read the comic Goliath and you'll see a lot of hints about that theory).
So they would not think in binary. Binary is used because the actual technology does not permit any other language to be stored in such tiny components. And the smaller a CPU is, the faster it is.

Basically, the white light would be the very basic of our brain's language, that's why Neo seems to explode of white light even in the real world. You may call it our soul or the "Ki" as in the chinise tradition. In fact, that theory explains almost everything aspect of the movie.

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So they would not think in binary. Binary is used because the actual technology does not permit any other language to be stored in such tiny components. And the smaller a CPU is, the faster it is.

Good point

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Basically, the white light would be the very basic of our brain's language, that's why Neo seems to explode of white light even in the real world. You may call it our soul or the "Ki" as in the chinise tradition. In fact, that theory explains almost everything aspect of the movie.

That could verry wel be

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