»The importance of Seraph«

It seems almost clear to me now that Seraph is the reincarnation of former ones. After each One reaches the source, they are then given the job of guarding the Oracle. Seraph's true purpose is stated as, "protecting that which matters most (Seraph states this in Reloaded)." Who better to protect the Mother of the Matrix than the One?

There are many things that indicate this is the case. The strange code that emminates from Seraph, similar to the machine code that fills Neo's body at the end of Revolutions.

The fact that Seraph has fought Smith before, indicating a previous battle as a previous anomaly (Stated in Revolutions when he is guarding Sati).

When the Oracle says that she thinks they'll see Neo again, she looks at Seraph and smiles. He replies, "How did you know?" It is commonly inferred that she means the next reiteration of the anomaly, but it could actually mean Seraph. She responds that she just believed, and seraph smiles back. It is the sort of question and answer interaction that Neo and Oracle had throughout the trilogy.

It's also important to note that Seraph is the only one who can actually hang with Neo in fighting. Neo doesn't really beat him, and they both get their shots in.

The more you think about it, the more it starts to make sense.

Yes you could be right on that one. It does make sense, but maby seraph fought smith before on different reasons like trying to get to the oracle and seraph protecting her from smith. Just cause we dont see the fight doesnt mean it didnt happen. Just a thought

I've though that myself also, and I think you are correct.
Everything is a match, so it could be that way.

that could be it...u could now check what does word "seraph" mean...

seraph is a type of angel is the one int the second level of jerarchy and they are the so called guardian angels just in case your interested in the meaning. Did anyone noticed how he looked diminish on the fights in revolutions

When Neo was fighting Smith at the end of Revolutions, and the golden light surged into him, the Cross that exploded from within him was hard to miss. However, not so obvious was the fact that the golden cables formed, at nearly the same instant, wings around him, making him look like a golden angel. Another word for an angel? Seraph.

I don't think that Seraph is a reincarnation ( or sumthing like that ) of the previous one's, cause, from what I understand from the Merv chat in Revolutions, Seraph used to work for Merv, and why would a previous one work for him ?

well if "the ones" after returning to the source get reinstalled in the matrix by the machines to work for them, its not strange if he worked for merv until "the oracle" (damn what a lame name) converted them/him...

I believe Seraph is a former "the one" . He may have chosen exile in the matrix after his "the one" purpose was done. The oracle then found a purpose for Seraph and now his purpose is "To protect what matters most" He's in charge of Security of the Matrix.

In Reloaded, when Neo went to see the Oracle; He is met first by Seraph and saw the golden glow (special code). I think the unique golden glow signifies power (nothing more, nothing less). Seraph then proceed to test Neo to make sure that he is not a fake" one" . We all know the "One" is very powerful, so in order to test someone to see if they are the "One" , that individual must also has similar power.

bowchow79 wrote:

the golden cables formed, at nearly the same instant, wings around him, making him look like a golden angel.

and smith is given angel wings formed from lightning at one point in the superburlybrawl. if you've seen the international posters for Revolutions, there's one where they make this very obvious.

Does this mean they're Seraph? I don't think so.

Is it necessary to argue that a Gnostic perspective holds throughout the Matrix films? If you simply nod now when you hear that, as I do, then a little look through the gnostic texts goes a long way to understanding the movies. In the Nag Hamaddi texts is one called the Reality of the Rulers. It covers the creation of the world, to me it explains a great deal - all of the major characters of the movies are in this text, i think.

There is a 'great angel', Eleleth, who's 'appearance is like fine gold and who's rainment is like snow'.

'It is I who am Eleleth, sagacity, the great angel who stands in the presence of the holy spirit.'

I think this is the most valuable starting point for thinking about Seraph and how he fits into the picture.

Nimmm wrote:

It's also important to note that Seraph is the only one who can actually hang with Neo in fighting. Neo doesn't really beat him, and they both get their shots in.

Possible. But Neo is NOT the only one who hangs with Seraph. If you played the video game Enter the Matrix, you could have watched Ballard fights Seraph (same dialogs, "-But before I must apologize. -of what? -of this") and then Seraph stops fighting once he is convinced that Ballard is really Ballard.

So if EVEN Ballard (recall the meeting in M2 down the sewers, just before the upgraded agents came in -- Ballard is the black guy who says to Morpheus "god damn you morpheus, you got XX hours") can SURVIVE the fight against Seraph, who couldn't? Strange..

Maybe Ballard is somewhat powerful too, but if this is the case, why less role?

This theory makes sense, yet, I believe it's one of the many things about this movies that we will never know for sure.

standalone wrote:

Maybe Ballard is somewhat powerful too, but if this is the case, why less role?

i think that the main reason that Ballard got to hang with Seraph is because Ballard was played by Roy Jones, Jr. and he doesn't like to play second fiddle to ANYONE. that's also why Ballard gets to speak more than the other captains.

oscargabrielp wrote:

This theory makes sense, yet, I believe it's one of the many things about this movies that we will never know for sure.

yup thats the main problem we can speculate for a thousand years and still the answer wouldnt be 100% accurate...

Your guys thoughts are pretty much in line with my own. The kind of foreshadowing they put in here included with some basic inferring, this seems to me as obvious the Oracle being the mother after the Architect convo in Reloaded. He doesn't say it, and he casts doubt when he responds, "please", but it seems altogether the logical answer.

Do not complicate it further.

The one is the one.
Sraph is Seraph. If you'd like to put into programming terms - he's a firewall for crying out loud!

Seraph cannot be a "former ONE" because Neo was there standing next to him and talking to him. If he waas a former ONE then you are inserting a probability that there are more than one anomalies of the ONE. Its like having two souls split apart which is very very unrational. If he is a former ONE it would mean he is carrying the program of the ONE which Neo is evidently carrying, see the problem?

He is just another "angel", think of him as Gabriel. Guardian of the gates.

i initially thought seraph was the one. reinserted into the matrix as the guardian of the orcale. but then the fact that he says the same things and does the same job to many ppl i feel that he is just an exe like persephone who is programmed to kiss or watever.
then to the person who said oracle was a lame name: oracle, if she were the database then it makes complete sense she knew everything since she could have survived the prev ver of matrix.
but i have this big Qn:" if neo were the first ONE to have chosen to let matrix crash,diff from the prev five, then why would the events in revolutions have happened b4? like bane rems the fight on the ship, seraph rems the fight with smith. smith uttering the word "yes, u were laying right there" during the crater part.
strange thou....

Why is that Seraph doesn't make an appearance until after M1?
Could it be that somehow Neo's 1st death in M1, triggered Seraph's programming?

Seraph, was "the one"

-Seraph says to Smith in M3: "I defeated you"... like Neo defeated Smith in M1, because both were "the one".

-Merovigian says to Seraph in M3: "You returned"... like Neo met
Merovigian in M2... and might meet Merovigian in the future, like Seraph... in the future Merovigian might says to Neo: "You returned Neo..."

-The club man stand in the door says to Seraph in M3: "without wings"... like Neo flew in the end of M1, Seraph could fly before...

-Seraph and Neo fought in M2, but either Neo and Seraph don´t beat ... only protect of punchs and kicks... because both are the "the one program", they are similar...


I hope that you understand... because I´m not americam or english...

i agree with Azazell. but the thing is when the One becomes Guardian, wat happens to the existing , preceding Guardian?
man i am amazed by the fact that the Seraph at the end of M3 may be Neo. I din tot of that b4.


QN TO ALL: WHEN HUMANS JACK IN, WHAT ARE THEY? PROGRAMS? THE VISUAL PROJECTED IMAGES OF THE FARMED UNCONSIOUS HUMAN, WAT FORM DO THEY TAKE IN THE MATRIX?

zeroTake wrote:

but i have this big Qn:" if neo were the first ONE to have chosen to let matrix crash,diff from the prev five, then why would the events in revolutions have happened b4?

What tells you that they have? This?:

zeroTake wrote:

like bane rems the fight on the ship, seraph rems the fight with smith. smith uttering the word "yes, u were laying right there" during the crater part. strange thou....

Doesn't Bane/Smith mean that they have had a fight before? More specifically I think of the trainstation-scene in M1, because Smith uses the word "Inevitable" in both places, or it could be me getting it all wrong...
But in the end, when he is fighting Neo, he is saying "Yes, you were laying right there, just like that" because he now is Smith/The Oracle, and now he knows everything and has had a vision about it...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I see it...

Damn, these movies confuse me!

Some are saying there is conflict because that means there are two one's at the same time. This ISN'T the case. When the One goes to the source, he reinserts the prime program, the matrix RELOADS, thus there is no anomaly, but that doesn't mean that Neo just has to go ahead and die since they removed the anomaly. His mind can live on in likeness to a computer program. His skills are still there, but he no longer causes systemic fluctuations in the most basic equations. He cannot remake the matrix, but his mind is still somewhat free from the limitations and boundaries of a computer system. It is clear he is the only one that can hang with Neo in reloaded and lines about the prodical son returning and wingless angels is only further evidence of such.

My theory is also the Seraph could be one of Neo's predecessors, with evidence being the without wings comment, blocking Neo, and Merovingian meeting. I also think that the Merovingian's comment about the Prodigal child could mean that Seraph was faced with deletion after he reinserted the prime program,because what purpose would he serve after that? thus not wanting to fact deletion, he arranges with the Merovingian's that if the Trainman smuggles him through he will protect him, the story of the prodigal child also could mean that the Trainman is the loyal son who stays with his father and Seraph is the disloyal who leaves, another thing I think is because the oracle was designed to probe human pysche she should be able to understand and even begin to act like a human, thats why I think she started helping Neo, and tha'ts why she needed someone to protect her because she turned rogue, why else would she be hiding in the back doors of the Matrix? and at the end of M3 the architect states that "you are playing a very dangerous game" and she replies "change always is" which supports this theory, the only problem with this theory as a whole is how could Seraph continue to survive after the initial RELOAD he helped happen, other than that it pretty much makes sense.

I just confuses , If Neo is the one and hes Human and Seraph was the one and hes a program , i thought only Humans can be the one ? can somebdy clear this for me ?

Nimmm wrote:

When the Oracle says that she thinks they'll see Neo again, she looks at Seraph and smiles.

actually, she looks over her leaft shoulder, to the sunrise. Seraph is standing to her right, the direction that he and Sati came from.

just re-watched this. i'm sure.