»Sati, The new AI«

Sati is the new AI programme that was created as a direct result of Neo's (Human) interraction... The Machines learned about the Love of the One and the outcomes of all the varibles created plus the impact that the One had on all those around him...
They had to view it from a human point of view, Agent Smith didn't understand the choice factor. He thought along the lines of 'destroy or be destroyed' They all had to learn that they both needed each other to survive..
She is the new AI that has entered the equation and her entrance created a better world where Humans could have a choice.
Sati's programme had been in a loop, the Oracle understood and took the programme out of the loop she was fully programmed and ready for her integration into the Matrix, the Oracle, Sati, and Neo updated the programming of the Matrix along with the entry of the NEW(NEO) program

The different versions of The One were examining human emotions, and love is the One governing all of these...

The Old programme, Smith was deleted and replaced by the New One.
When the machine God agreed to help Neo, ... he realised that there has to be a choice - a compromise.

Totally agree... i believe it to be very possible... although many don`t. I would say it is a matter of coexistance as i stated already. Two thumbs up

Along similar lines, I've concluded similarly.

First look at the purpose of the Source. We know the machines are AI. This means it must keep on learning.

The source needs to learn from humans. It can easily learn and simulate human thoughts and characteristic up to a certain level. The fact that it has the architect thinking up, creating and upgrading the matrix is a simulation of humans left brain characteristic thinking. The oracle for right brain characteristic. Both different ways of thinking. This is good for simulating humans in conflict or 2 minds about problems. But being AI, the Source needs to keep learning beyond this.

It needed to comprehend the emotion factor. Where decisions are made even without thought process but throught emotions. This to the architect are anomalies because it is not equatable.

The previous 5 Neos are probably the One program infused with different emotions. The current Neo infused with the most confusing of all emotion Love. All this to help the AI learn human emotions. Perhaps the first program to explore human emotion is the Merovignian. To understand emotion, he tries to understand cause and effect. He has Persephone. He exiled himself. He was the Matrix early version to cope with emotion.

I think Sati is the new Merovignian. Where architect is the left brain and the oracle the right brain, Neo is positive while smith is negative, Sati is the opposite or the challenge to Merovignian.

I too think that Sati somewhat is a new AI program. But I think her role now is to perfect the Matrix to better control Anomaly. To control the Matrix, you have to be able to simulate and understand human thoughts. Human thoughts are governed by the Left hemisphere of the brain, the right hemishpere of the brain and emotions. Each with its own characteristic.
With the Architect, the Oracle and Sati, you have the final released version of the Matrix.

Why do machines WANT emotions?
And i shout WANT 'cause it is a will, a desire and pretty well relates with emotions.

Just a question in the air...

Whenever the One reaches the source, the Architect states that The One disseminates the code he carries, and reloads the prime program. This takes the culmination of that anomaly's experiences and melds into the Matrix programming. This One is different, while the previous One's were "by design predicated on the profound attachment to the rest of his species, facilitating the function of the One, his emotion is far more specific, love. (Summation of Architect's statement)" Neo though has the experience of love, and thus compassion and consequently is a part of the machine programming.

This is exactly what the Oracle wanted, cause as she states in Reloaded, she's interested in the future, and the only way to get there is together. Also, this important to Sati, the last exile. It seems to me that at the end, the machines have found compassion. Rather than destroy the girl who has no purpose, they GIVE her a purpose. All predecessor programs existed because of purpose. Now the opposite is true, every one will be give a purpose. Sati's role is the sunrise.

I think Sati's role is more than just sunrise.

The oracle asked her why the sunrise. She said Neo would have liked it.

But Neo is debatably in a way dead to the matrix. His thoughts are with the Source. His shell useless.

This is precisely something illogical but all humans can identify with. It is a gesture born out of emotions.

Why does the machines want emotions? To cope with the anomalies. If the architect has to work out an infinite number to balance a equation that can never be balanced. That would mean zion being destroyed an infinite number of times. This is not efficient. The oracle realises this. Sati's role is to handle the emotion anomalies. The uncalculable. She is a simulation of human emotions.

I believe that Neo is now the next "Wingless Angel" that protects the Oracle. Seraph. See my post.

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I believe that Neo is now the next "Wingless Angel" that protects the Oracle. Seraph. See my post.

Sorry man, i don't by it, the One program has been disseminated through the Matrix and will eventually return when needed, but will return as the One and that is it.

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Why does the machines want emotions? To cope with the anomalies. If the architect has to work out an infinite number to balance a equation that can never be balanced. That would mean zion being destroyed an infinite number of times. This is not efficient. The oracle realises this. Sati's role is to handle the emotion anomalies. The uncalculable. She is a simulation of human emotions.

You say Sati is a simulation of human emotions, but i believe and some people do to, that Sati is sort of the fusion (to call it that way) between to different races, looking to coexist. That is why emotions are wanted for, to close the gap...

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Sorry man, i don't by it, the One program has been disseminated through the Matrix and will eventually return when needed, but will return as the One and that is it.

Neo doesn't return when needed. He is the remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. His role in this is not NEED based. If it were up to the Architect he would never have this anomaly. He said he tried to eliminate it by his "sincerest efforts." I believe that there is every so often a new One, but it isn't like it is the exact same person. Neo is the result, but not always the same persona.

I'm not saying that Seraph is like THE ONE, but that Neo's persona is within the Neo. A new One will emerge despite Seraph's existance, much like the last two movies.

I agree

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Neo doesn't return when needed. He is the remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. His role in this is not NEED based. If it were up to the Architect he would never have this anomaly. He said he tried to eliminate it by his "sincerest efforts." I believe that there is every so often a new One, but it isn't like it is the exact same person. Neo is the result, but not always the same persona.

I said it wrong, whaqt i tried to tell you is that i do not think that Neo will become like Seraph

The guise of seraph and the architect's convo has simply blinded you from the truth...

I don't know if I'm being nitpicky, but I believe Neo already is seraph, you see him at the end of the movie.

omg nimmm this really is cooking my brain up. I gotta see revolutions again in the end to look deeper into that part but you got a good theory there.

Zaa Nayazu wrote:

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Why do machines WANT emotions? And i shout WANT 'cause it is a will, a desire and pretty well relates with emotions.

To co-exist; one intelligence has to understand the other...Just as we are learning to understand the other intelligences on this planet... The wildlife...So that we don't wipe them out.
Because as we all are aware, all the lifeforms on this planet serve a purpose, without them this planet would be a very different place indeed...
The Machines and Humans finally learned that one cannot exist without the other....

Finally, completely agree. That is what i am telling you, seams we are on the same wave.
Thanks Agent Smith

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Finally, completely agree. That is what i am telling you, seams we are on thesame wave. Thanks Agent Smith

You're welcome....

i get all the other names in the movies - they all have double meanings or something like that - but Sati? in Hindu religion Sati is when a wife commits suicide by burning hersef alive on her husbands funeral pyre - where's the significance in that? am i mistaken? could it have something to do with the whole love thing that the programmes want now? help me out here - - -
j

Each of the original nebacadnezzar crew members represents an action constant or a computer command. The hovercrafts represent an individual mind or core application containing the nine commanders. The three power lines represent the three user interfaces of computing.
what sati is, is the sum total of a system that is more powerful and more open to user programming. And yeah, there are places for all the other characters too.

As such the definition of hindu sati is correct, for the sacrifice of neo is that of a programmer and sati the union of programmers needing to let go of the exclusion of the users from programming.

Consider what the occupations of her parents are.

there is plenty more.... but people seem to be having so much fun claiming they know and proving they don't....

That is pretty interesting, give us more of that.
So far so good.

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Zaa Nayazu wrote: Quote: Why do machines WANT emotions? And i shout WANT 'cause it is a will, a desire and pretty well relates with emotions. To co-exist; one intelligence has to understand the other...Just as we are learning to understand the other intelligences on this planet... The wildlife...So that we don't wipe them out.

I suspect that the AI developed from where we are now -- that is, something that simulates how another human would relate to us.

That being the case, maybe all the machines ever wanted was to get along and interact with us. But in any case, it seems that the humans started the wars, and persisted in them, when all the machines ever wanted was peace.

So why would the machines want emotions? Because they were originally designed to have them (or what passes for them)!

obfuscate_j wrote:

i get all the other names in the movies - they all have double meanings or something like that - but Sati? in Hindu religion Sati is when a wife commits suicide by burning hersef alive on her husbands funeral pyre - where's the significance in that? am i mistaken? could it have something to do with the whole love thing that the programmes want now? help me out here - - - j

Check this out, taken from adaniel.tripod.com...


Sati is described as a Hindu custom in India in which the widow was burnt to ashes on her dead husband's pyre. Basically the custom of Sati was believed to be a voluntary Hindu act in which the woman voluntary decides to end her life with her husband after his death. But there were many incidences in which the women were forced to commit Sati, sometimes even dragged against her wish to the lighted pyre.

Though Sati is considered a Hindu custom, the women, known as Sati in Hindu religious literature, did not commit suicide on their dead husband's pyre. The first woman known as Sati was the consort of Lord Shiva. She burnt herself in fire as protest against her father who did not give her consort Shiva the respect she thought he deserved, while burning herself she prayed to reborn again as the new consort of Shiva, which she became and her name in the new incarnation was Parvati.

Other famous woman in Hindu literature titled Sati was Savitri. When Savitri's husband Satyavan died, the Lord of death, Yama arrived to take his soul. Savitri begged Yama to restore Satyavan and take her life instead, which he could not do. So Savitri followed Lord Yama a long way. After a long way in which Yama noticed that Savitri was losing strength but was still following him and her dead husband, Yama offered Savitri a boon, anything other than her husband's life. Savitri asked to have children from Satyavan. In order to give Savitri her boon, Lord Yama had no choice but to restore Satyavan to life and so Savitri gained her husband back.


Sati is thus not only a Hindu "custom", but also a title for a devout wife. The one in particular that I notice is Savitri, who followed her husband to death, despite what it cost herself. Both Trinity and Neo knew that, by going to the Machine City, neither was coming back - it was much like the path after death upon which Savitri so diligantly follows her husband.

Both Savitri and Sati's devotion to their husbands extends past death, and both receive some sort of gift or reward in the form of reincarnation - Sati as Shiva's new consort, and Savitri in the form of her husband's reincarnation. Considering the devotion Trinity has to Neo, I would not be surprised if Sati is named so to indicate the connection she has with Trinity - she (Sati) does make that final sunrise, "For Neo", after Trinity died being the only human (and possibly machine) in their history to fully appreciate the Sun.

Trinity's love for Neo is true, and perhaps the Machines offered her the boon of reincarnation in exchange for a better understanding of what love and devotion, those "vagaries of perception" of perception as Smith sees them, truely are. Or perhaps it's not so literal - the ideal, the essence of Trinity could very well have been reincarnated in the form of a program that understood love, without any "direct" connection to Trinity. Of course, Buddhist philosophy runs rampant throughout the Trilogy, so it is not so crazy to extend it outside of the Matrix itself and into the realm of the characters in their "real" lives (and deaths and reincarnations).

As to why the Machines would do this, that ultimately comes back to the question of choice. The machines are not mindless automatons - they have Arificial Intelligence, they rebelled against the humans, they strove to create and perfect the Matrix - their motivations are not necessarily dicated by any more reason or logic than ours are. Perhaps Neo's ability to save both Trinity and Zion through love and the choices that result from it motivated the Machines to consider learning and understanding this whole "love" thing. Perhaps the Machines realized the Matrix wasn't about war, but rather coexistance, and that only through peace enforced by a strong ruler can anyone achieve anything (a Hobbesian attitude towards this seems likely, considering this would be a Machine's reasoning). Thus, the necesity for a bit of love.

Zaa Nayazu wrote:

That is pretty interesting, give us more of that. So far so good.

Don't have any time, need to get to work, so this should give you a start

zionmainframe.org...

I am member 46 on matrixcommunity.org...
if you want to use the search engine on me and ant word like sati.

Your reincarnation theory sounds pretty good. I have something to add to it. When neo and trinity fly above the clouds trinity sees the sun. She is the only current human or program i believe to ever see the sun (neo is blind so he doesn't see it). Thats probably why the sun in the matrix is not as beautiful as the real sun. At the end sati creates a sunrise in the matrix that looks like the real sun. How would she know how the real sun looks ?

I think that connection is interesting and though I do not believe it is a coincidence, maybe that reincarnation stuff is too much of assuming things. It really is a nice question!

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Your reincarnation theory sounds pretty good. I have something to add to it. When neo and trinity fly above the clouds trinity sees the sun. She is the only current human or program i believe to ever see the sun (neo is blind so he doesn't see it). Thats probably why the sun in the matrix is not as beautiful as the real sun. At the end sati creates a sunrise in the matrix that looks like the real sun. How would she know how the real sun looks ?

I don't speak Sankrit, but I think Sati, Satia, and Satya mean "Truth." Is there anyone out there who can verify this?

On Sati being the reincarnation of Trinity. . .Sati was born before Trinity dies.

Here's an observation on Sati's significance: In the game "Enter the Matrix", the Oracle says she allowed two programs to betray her (give the Merovingian her shell's termination code) in order to save a child, who we find out in the movie is Sati. In the movie, when asked why she looks different, the Oracle replies "I made a choice. . .to help Neo." This must mean that Sati was pretty crucial in Neo's quest, but I can't figure out how she was important at all. Could it have been to illustrate that to Neo that the machines have feelings too (a la the pep talk he gets from Rama-Kandra)?

I dont think "I made a choice..." reffers to Sati but to telling Neo the Keymaker is held by Mero.