»Love is the most important thing«

I would like to share a revalation Ive had during my time here... (couldnt resist )

Upon watching The Matrix again the other day I had a relization, a moment of epiphany if you will, about the entire trilogy.

One of the biggest questions I always had with the story is what makes Neo special... what makes him different from the previous ones? Why did Neo break the pattern of control, choosing not to co-operate with the designs of the Architect? Obviously the Oracle had alot to do with changing the path of the One. Even if we werent sure about that before, the final scene of the trilogy reveals that she did ultimately cause the chain of events that lead to the breaking of the pattern.

Upon her first meeting with Neo, she tells him he is not the one. She also says that he will need to make a choice because Morpheus will sacrifice himself for Neo because he believes. Had she still wished to keep the system in its usual cycle, I think she would have told Neo he was the one and directed him to the Keymaker upon their first meeting... however she does not do this, and what she tells Neo leads him to enter the Matrix to save Morpheus at the cost of his own life. But why would she want this to happen, or at the very least, want to influnce events toward this direction?

Trinity has been told that she will fall in love and that man would be the one. Throughout the matrix we see Trinity struggling with the relization that she loves Neo and he is the one. But how do you fall in love with someone if it is fate? She has been told she will love the one, but knowing Neo is the one does that mean she has to love him, regardless of what she really feels? Or if she does not love him does that mean he is not the one? What if she thinks she loves him, and it turns out he is not the one? This is a great struggle fro Trinity, and she cannot tell Neo what the oracle said because of the implications and problems of her being unsure of how she feels and the question of whether or not Neo really is the one.

quite franky, its a big mess for Trinity.

However... it is all resolved because Neo dies. Even up till the end, Trinity cannnot tell Neo, but once he dies she is free from fear and doubt. She reliezes that the question of Neo being the one does not come first, what is most important is that she does love him and therefore he must be the one, and she tells him so.

This is the defineing moment in the entire triology, not just the first movie. This is the single most important event with the Matrix universe, and it irrecovably alters the path of the one.

Both the Oracle and the Architech seem to know that the path of the has changed. In reloaded, upon asking if he will have to choose whether trinty lives or dies, the oracle tells Neo "No, youve already made the choice. Now you just have to understand it.". She is refering to their love, Neo will choose Trinity, and ultimately that choice is the one that causes Neo to change the path of the one. This choice is revealed in the Architechs chamber, although if we were paying enough attention and using the grey matter we know what Neo will chose already--- and so does the Architect. Upon offering Neo the choice his speech about chemical responses specifically designed to overwhelm logic and reason, blah blah blah, he is clearly aware of what door Neo will choose, indeed has known for a while.

and why is that? LOVE! The One, be it code insterted into the brain of a human, a manifestation of inbalances in the matrix, a computer program, whatever.... the one is a carefully designed system of control. The Architech has attempted to balance this system of the matrix with the factor of the one, and he has succeded for a time. But neither he nor anybody could balance this new element that the Oracle helped introduce... love.

Neo's love for Trinity is unlike anything the previous ones ever had (there are many clues to this, and the architech quite blunty tells us that Neos love is different than any of the previous Ones attachments to humanity). By introducing love into the carefully balanced equation of the One, everything changes. Thats what the Oracle did, she gave a few characters a nudge in the right direction which lead to Neo and Trinitys love, that was her most important contribution to the world of the Matrix.

Like it or not, Neo and Trinitys is the single most important factor and idea within the Matrix movies.... and ultimately introducing love into the system of the one leads to a peace between man and machienes. There is many different ideas in these movies, many different concepts... but ultimately... its all about the love. Its quite a moving and universal concept that the wachoski brothers have driven at, and its true to every human in this world... love changes everything, its the most powerful force within any human being (and if you dont accept that, well then you havent been in love). And it is really quite poetic that love brought about peace between man and machienes.

so what do you think? mabey you already thought this, mabey you think Im dead wrong, but regardless, I feel like Ive cracked it (for myself anyway).

love changes everything? THAT'S YOUR THEORY?



thank you for sharing that theory with us... not

well aint that cute?...BUT ITS WROOONG!

it's a typical hollywood theory

explain why then. why is neo different from the other ones? why does everything change now? whats different? Trinitys love.

If you cannot offer a counter arguement dont even bother posting.

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it's a typical hollywood theory

lol. love is a hollywood thing? what are you 14?

seriously now... explain why Im wrong. Can you?

John Mirra wrote:

well aint that cute?...BUT ITS WROOONG!

why? explain that, otherwise your comment doesnt mean a thing.

I simply refuse to accept that this entire trilogy is about the power of love...

so very lame...yeah one minute ure in love the other ure blasting sentinels like hell...crappy


weak, think of something better...

lol! thats hilarious!

sorry, I dont mean to be rude, but you two are total goons. You blind yourselves to obvious truths, and would rather twist the movies in your own mind to extreme convoluted lenghts to fulfil whatever you think they should be about.

My conclusion is based on careful observation and facts. You cant even poiint out a flaw in this except "I dont want to accept this".

When you shut your eyes, does the world go away? NO!

lol. you guys must obviously be young boys or total computer geek shut-ins if you cant accept a love story with machienes and explosions. Its the best love story ever done. And just because love was the ultimate factor doesnt mean the movies are devoid of other ideas.

jeez. what a weak response. Im highly disappointed with the lack of thought and complete utter blockheadedness of you two

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weak, think of something better...

oh btw... thats the big problem with alot of posts on this page. You guys think of something better, imagine what you think is an interesting twist, instead of analyzing the movies and accepting them for what they are.

lol. I need to find someone who doesnt have their head up their ass to discuss this with.

the movie can be about choice, love,reason...everything has a part in this crappy movie the reason why u put love in the first place is because ure gay or something i dont care...

im 20 so im not a "young boy"

John Mirra wrote:

the movie can be about choice, love,reason...everything has a part in this crappy movie the reason why u put love in the first place is because ure gay or something i dont care... im 20 so im not a "young boy"

well then you lack a great deal of maturity.

christ, last time I posted here there were people of intelligence. Where did they go?

I dont expect everyone to agree with me, but goddamn, at least offer a counter arguement rather than "I simply refuse to accept that this entire trilogy is about the power of love" and "ure gay".

lol. 20 years old. hahahahah, that makes it funnier than if you were 14 cause then at least you would have an excuse for being such a tool.

lol. dont bother responding. please leave this for people willing to consider and discuss this.

Neo did do several amazing things out of love for Trinity.

The first 5 Neos chose the right door. Possibly meaning no Trinity, or not that much love for Trinity. (The entire human race was more important than the love of his life?).

The 'Mother' of the matrix stumbled upon the solution of the matrix. Anomalies caused by human emotions. Simply not calculatable. Strongest being love.

Machines are constantly learning from humans and trying to better themselves.

The oracle led Neo and Trinity to fall in love this time round. Hence the first time Neo chose the left door. The oracle cannot really see beyond this simply because it has never happened before. Thats why in M3 she did not make any specific prediction as opposed to M1 and M2.

What the machines had probably observed was how love influenced the 'The One program'. It magnifies the the anomaly. It strengthens him.

Love was the power that drove Neo on. And the machines aim was to learn this power, understand how this works and apply it.
In learning to better themselves, the machines now have Safi. A program created out of love. A progam to simulate human emotion (Oracle: Why did you do it? Safi: Neo would have liked it?) instead of human logic.

Machines are now able to factor in the effects of love.

Dan wrote:

John Mirra wrote: the movie can be about choice, love,reason...everything has a part in this crappy movie the reason why u put love in the first place is because ure gay or something i dont care... im 20 so im not a "young boy" well then you lack a great deal of maturity. christ, last time I posted here there were people of intelligence. Where did they go? I dont expect everyone to agree with me, but goddamn, at least offer a counter arguement rather than "I simply refuse to accept that this entire trilogy is about the power of love" and "ure gay". lol. 20 years old. hahahahah, that makes it funnier than if you were 14 cause then at least you would have an excuse for being such a tool. lol. dont bother responding. please leave this for people willing to consider and discuss this.

i could say the same thing about you...the reason why u put love in the first place is because ure a smelly hippie and that about covers it...asshole

John Mirra: as I previously posted, please do not post in this thread. Your comments are unconstrucive and are not welcome.

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In learning to better themselves, the machines now have Safi. A program created out of love.

this is interesting, and seems to be were Safi fits into all this. However it leads me to a question: When did the machines begin to understand love? The parents (totally forget their names) seem to have created Safi before Revolutions, which at that time Im not sure if the machines had really understood Neos motivation and emotions... the architech knows them, but he sure doesnt seem to understand them at the end of M2.

and also, it seems like Safis creation might be at the time an exception. They were basically smuggling her into the matrix to save her from deletion, implying that many programs/machines were not at that time able to understand love.

I believe it wasnt until they took him to the source upon his death/coma/whatever at the final moments that they could really factor this in as a whole... so how did Safis parents "love" her enough to put themselves at risk to save her?

I definetly think thats the right idea with Safi... but the overall picture still seems fuzzy.

You have touched on something important I do believe-- after much thought and meditation on this, I have come to a similar theory-- That love is something that goes beyond the physicality of what we know to be reality. Time and time again, love has changed history-- look at isis and Osiris, Helen of Troi.... the only thing that doesnt change is that humans are willing to do anything for what they wholly devote themselves~ when you are in love (and not only in the man/woman sense) love for a child, or a parent, or a true companion that you relate to. The deepest relation is the most radical devotion. The more we care, the more is possible. This is the reasoning for the hypnotic power of a true zealot~ their love for the being they care most about-- their God. Then you see, the power to win the war was not with Neo, but the people. He had to be the one, because the people needed thier beliefs, which they cared most for, to be served-- the avatar of the spirit's cry for peace and balance.

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the only thing that doesnt change is that humans are willing to do anything for what they wholly devote themselves~ when you are in love (and not only in the man/woman sense) love for a child, or a parent, or a true companion that you relate to.

bingo.

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Then you see, the power to win the war was not with Neo, but the people. He had to be the one, because the people needed thier beliefs, which they cared most for, to be served

I can see the transition in your post between faith and love, they are defineted connected... and like you allued to, true love also involves an almost blind faith (i.e Trinity going with Neo on his journey to 01).

But when we look at it in a greater scope Im not sure how relevant the faith of the people was. The people (some of them anyway) had belief and faith in the one, but this ultimately was something designed to decieve them and control them. There is a definete theme of faith in the movies, quite obviously in Morpheus, also with the kid and his belief in Neo, and the old counciller who believed in Neo in Reloaded... but the machines desgined the One specifically to channel any human advesary into faith in something that would ultimately work against them and was just another piece of the system. That isnt to say their faith is meaningless... Morpheus sacrificed himself in M1 to save Neo, the councillor allowed the Nebacanezzer to leave... they all help Neo in some way, great or small.

but this will only take Neo so far... only as far as the previous ones had gotten, which considering the state of humanity, wasnt far enough. Trinitys love is still the more important, defining factor. In light of this consideration of belief though, perhaps love is suggested to be the ultimate faith?

I dunno... aside from Trinity going with Neo to 01, thats kinda hard to discuss in context of the movies. But thanks for the feedback, interesting thoughts.

ok this will be my last post in your stupid thread... If love is the core of the matrix trilogy than its the lamest movie of all time, no matter how bad revolutions was this is even worse...go hug a rainbow u hippie insted of writing bad explanations...

you have not/cannot justify why its a bad explanation, other than you are simply too emotionaly immature to consider it.

Therefore your criticsms are completely invalid. I suggest that next time you hear something you dont like you attempt to offer a reasonable and thought-out counter arguement, instead of revealing yourself as narrow-minded and immature by posting nothing but lame insults.

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...go hug a rainbow u hippie

Im keeping myself well behaved, since this discussion forum seems quite free of flaming... but I could rip your petty posts to shreads. That has to be one of the lamest put-downs Ive ever heard.

now please do us a favour and go play in freeway traffic as judging by these posts and many others Ive read you have nothing of substance or intelligence to offer this forum.

Mr.Dan i was about to leave your retarded and infantile topic alone but u just cant stop writing idiotic things...i said before that this movie is equally about choice, love, faith and many other things...i remarked that love is not first in te movie and it isnt...

u obviously saw too many spanish soap operas and they affected you...im sorry dude

the only thing infantile about this topic is your posts. lol, do you even know what that word means? This backl and forth petty bickering is pretty weak, but my original post is far from infantile.

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i said before that this movie is equally about choice, love, faith and many other things...i remarked that love is not first in te movie and it isnt...

look, you dont have to agree with me.... but the way youve gone about it has been really immature and quite frankly makes you appear to be rather dense. If you had offered a reasonable opinion in the first place, none of this would have happened. But you didnt. instead you mocked my post without offering any ideas of your own and then said I must have came up with this because I was gay.

lets just drop this. I would like to hear what other people have to say about the original topic.

im sorry but your post did sound gay...im dropping this

and i did mention it b4 just scroll a little up...

one isnt refered to as "14 year old" if he states that most hollywood movies are about the "power" of love, that became korny and lame about 40 years ago...and if ure so mature as u state then u must realize that life is NOT about love there are so many other things...

just a thought

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then u must realize that life is NOT about love

oh man.

look, I think we can both agree to just drop this....but I had to say....

I feel sorry for you. There is alot of great things in life, but nothing, nothing, is better than really, truly, being in love with someone.

John Mirra wrote:

ok this will be my last post in your stupid thread... If love is the core of the matrix trilogy than its the lamest movie of all time, no matter how bad revolutions was this is even worse...go hug a rainbow u hippie insted of writing bad explanations...

haha you dumbass, they specifically talk about love in the movie several times! the movie is meant to please simple minded viewers like yourself with explosiongs while offering a much deeper meaning underneath for the more intelectually mature viewers. how else do you think it made so much money? theres something in it for EVERYONE. love may be the core in dan's eyes. computer programming metaphors may be the core in someone else's eyes. religious symbolism (like Neo putting his arms out like jesus at the end to symbolize a sacrifice similar to Jesus). you are narrowminded. no one here likes you. and no one here likes me either because my brother posted dumb shit on my account, but at least i have a reason.