»The One Thing That Makes No Sense«

In Revolutions, The Captain of the Hammer clearly says:

Roland: You'll never make it. hundred years no ship has gone within a hundred kilometers of it(machine city), you'll never make it.

And In Revolutions you also see that The Fetus Fields are (probably?) within 100KM of the machine city, (well it's pretty damn close by the looks of it)

So heres the problem:

In Matrix 1 you quite clearly see after Neo's little descent into the sea (i think) after being ejected from his pod. He is then unconcious, and he is lifted from the water by a ship (almost definately the Neb)

BUT i thought that no-one had been within a 100KM of Machine City?/ SO how did the Neb get so goddamn close to it! And presumably this is what they had to do for everyone that had been "set free" but there was no sign of trouble when Neo was rescued?/

Plz Help!

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Quote:

Roland: You'll never make it. hundred years no ship has gone within a hundred kilometers of it(machine city), you'll never make it.

He probarly meant that noone made it within a 100 km of machinecity on the surface. Neo was sorta "flushed down the toilet" and ended up in the sewage system which is underground and the Neb could easily get there.

Thats what i think

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Stupid me, just had a clear moment:
Do you REALLY think those crops are only within a 100 km of machinecity?
They probarly are all over the place

Yeh, but surely Neo would have said "Are We Over SOME fields" rather than "Are We Over THE fields...

How would Neo know how many fields there are? When he had only just been released from the Matrix?

I doubt the Matrix fields were that close. The Legos was going VERY fast, and then shoot upwards then down.

well close in a relitave term. if you have a vehical that can go really really fast, then 400 miles may be "close". if you are crippled in both your legs and one arm and dont have a wheelchair or any other vehical, than 4 feet may be "close"

i say logos, you say legos, lets call the whole thing off (la la la).

The power plant is prety goddamn far away from Zero 1 (The Machine City). I mean, thise power cables were pretty long.

If I remember correctly, they remotely used a rescue bot (machine) to retreive the body from the sewer. The hovercraft was some distance away.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

If I remember correctly, they remotely used a rescue bot (machine) to retreive the body from the sewer. The hovercraft was some distance away.

I am pretty sure they used the Neb to get Neo. You see the giant hook come down and grab him and pull him up to the door. Then you see the hook hanging on its spool or whatever and they are carrying Neo. I am pretty sure it was all the Neb.

2 points for this arguement...

1) in revolutions...when the logos is going to the machine city...when the huge defence machines are arming themselves the view looks across a vast flat area of land and you can see the 3 power lines streching off into the distance to a bright glow on the horizon which is obviously meant to be the matrix as we see it previously to this scene...from this it appears less than 100km although it might not be and if it is not then the matrix towers must be extremely tall to be seen from so far

the other point is morpheus' converation to neo from m1

"there are fields neo...endless fields...where humans are no longer born...we are grown....for the longest time i wouldnt believe it...then i saw the fields with my own eyes..."

so if the fields are next to the matrix and the matrix is less than 100 km from 01 and the ships have to go into the matrix towers area to collect the free people then the ships will have been within 100km of the machine city within the last 100 years so we can alll conclude that the whole thing

WAS A BIG FUCKING MISTAKE

Guys- AzarN and Asian Smith and MATRIX MATT.

There is a topic on `what is the source?' that you should all go to. Its under the forum called `more matrix questions'. Please visit and discuss with us if you are interested.

Sorry, thats the `ask your questions here' forum.

I`m happy to believe that several factors can clear this up.

1. 100k is probably a rough estimate, the machines dont let folk with tape measures walk up to the city to see how far it is from the scout ships. Chances are it is a bit closer than that.

2. The ships travel pretty damn fast, the hammer probably covers a great distance when following those power lines.

3. The towers are stupidly tall, so its fair enough to see the power plant in the distance, so long as it looks small, even though it is far away.

4. The defensive line, with the rocket launcher robots, is not the city, it is probably some way from the city, so as to prevent some punk with artillery shelling the place over the defensive line.

5. The Hammer flies into the upper atmosphere and then flies downward at an angle, starting near the defensive line. Chances are it covers quite some distance when it makes this "jump".

6. The captain of the Hammer tends to think things cannot be done, he probably discounts reports of ships that have sneaked about far too close for their own good (like the Nebuchadnezzar). He may thus be overestimating the distance.

7. The captain of the Hammer may be referring to surface scouting. The Nebuchadnezzar and other ships can probably get close so long as they stick to the sewers, where we presume they picked Neo up from. Trinity and others have not seen much of the surface, so we can presume that ships very rarely travel there. The machines, after all, park themselves on top of Zion, but it is some time before anyone notices, so it would seem that "surface activity" for the human side is all but nonexistant.

Nice points.

yeah nice points...but im pretty sure trinity says that the city is just beyond those mountains...and as the logos(not the hammer)is falling you can see the mountains and the powerlines from the logos if you look closely

Thanks, just common sense logic really. However, the Wachowskis may not have the same thoughts. Its quite possible that closer examination of the view from the air that anomaly mentions will render all my points invalid. Still, they work for me.

uhhh.. when someone says.. "oh i must have seen the Matrix movies a million times".. it doesn't literally mean you have viewed them exactly 1,000,000 times.. it just means u've seen them a lot.

isn't it just simply that he just meant nobody who's ever tried to get to 01 has even got close before... he doesn't LITERALLY mean 100km exactly. they have been relatively close when they visited the fields.. but they weren't trying to get to 01. the whole point roland was trying to make is that Neo would never make it past the defences.

In The Animatrix, the Osiris dude says that Zion is only 5 km away from the fields. If this is true, then why would Roland say "nobody's ever been within 100 kilometers of [the machine city]", which (as we saw in Revolutions) was right next to the fields.