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555 wrote:

Quote: Thanks to try to enlighten me but I guess I will always be in the dark. "choice... the problem is choice" Glorindel either your not paying serious attention or you dont believe its possible to know universal truths. they are not argumentative skills. did you know that? The Creator creates creation using truth (mathematic principles > scientific application) when you become honest, live with integrity and begin the search for truth, you will see many of these truths manifest through principles (orb principle/human enlightenment etc) throughout creation. i dont know anything about chemistry or your quantum physics. i have no significant qualifications and you will not figure out what im saying by being so unwilling to atleast try to discard academic programming. in truth, i was expecting this. i have learned here that the boxed - box to feel secure with themselves. those who got [or are getting] out of that box attempt to get others out for the security of the whole

Hey, i was not the one who said that i was always going to be in the dark. I visit these pages in order to learn as much as i can from the world i live in. I thought you knew some chemistry or something cause of the density and electrical orbs stuff. I nwon something about chemistry but not at that level so i thought maybe you waere good at that. They are argumentative skills wether you realise it or not, the fact that you don´t realise you are using them doesn´t mean that you don´t.
Unwilling you say? i asked you these thing cause i´m willing to learn everything i can as i already said.
And what are those universal truths of yours? I was just reading a book which explained Einstein´s ideas of relativity and when he said that length, time and mass was relative to speed i couldn´t beleive it. I am so used to work with Newton´s ecuations that it just seemed impossible. But Einstein had to say that the concepts of these things were relative and so i say about truth. Is there an universal truth?
Do you think you know it? I don´t.

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Thanks to try to enlighten me but I guess I will always be in the dark.

This reminds me of the joke with the professor during the experimentation class:

"Now we can see that we cannot see a thing. But why we cannot see we will see in a moment."

Glorindel

what was relevant to you was what was 'post' your name. if the cap fits, wear it. i was making a quote. the quoted knows who they are (as do those who didnt say what i quoted (or so i would have assumed).

real is subjective. i think you mistaken this 'real' for the objective truth. not to say that truth can only be perceived in 1 way, quite the reverse. the perspective from which the sphere of truth is viewed is dependant on the reality of the observer. though the reality can be an illusory one (built on false info and assumptions), the very perceptual apparatus as well as the percieved phenomenon exists as the product of truthful principles.

the universal principles do not belong to my self. i am a product of them. and yes, relativity is a truthful and thus universal principle. the only way things co exists to the reality of an observer is his/her observation of the various things in relation to one another and to self.

only the Author knows the universal truths in their totality. you never really know a single truth because they are like doors in your mind. once one door is unlocked, it leads you to corridors of doors (you can only pass through 1 door @ a 'time'). as you become familiar with the building, you automatically develope an appreciation for more efficient routes from one position to another


you do this every day, you just dont know it. you need to do this to get from one thought to another. This is why i suggest knowledge of self as a more useful tool than hanging on to the opinion of some dead scientist you have no real knowledge of. if you were made in the image and likeness of The Author of your structure then knowledge of self would be a powerful thing. depending on a vampiric selfish system to give you knowledge of self is the reason most people are nothing more than hosts for the result of the manipulated food in this world, the education, the social customs inheritted perception etc etc. the result of this bombardment is what you would call sentient programs. its actually a dead human being propped up by the above with no sense of true self, universal purpose (as opposed to why youd like to believe you were created).

some people just dont know certian things, and will not come to certian understandings because it is not their karma to; it is not necessary for them to, to fulfil the purpose for which they were created e.g. the devil doesnt need to know how to humble himself because thats not the nature of fire nor is it necessary in order for it to function in accord to the nature from which it is created. reflect

Peace

this rabbit hole is very deep

I was with you all the way when you posted"

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depending on a vampiric selfish system to give you knowledge of self is the reason most people are nothing more than hosts for the result of the manipulated food in this world, the education, the social customs inheritted perception etc etc. the result of this bombardment is what you would call sentient programs. its actually a dead human being propped up by the above with no sense of true self, universal purpose (as opposed to why youd like to believe you were created).

But as for:

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some people just dont know certian things, and will not come to certian understandings because it is not their karma to; it is not necessary for them to, to fulfil the purpose for which they were created e.g. the devil doesnt need to know how to humble himself because thats not the nature of fire nor is it necessary in order for it to function in accord to the nature from which it is created. reflect

What are you talking about?

i thought we where talking about the matrix

agame wrote:

i thought we where talking about the matrix

Is Neo not Jesus?
Is Trinity not a Catholic term?
Is Zion not a Biblical City?
Is the One God?

Does Anakin have a Father? How was he born?

Obi-Wan: You were The Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy The Sith, not join them! It was you who would bring balance to The Force, not leave it in Darkness!

intell wrote:

Quote: some people just dont know certian things, and will not come to certian understandings because it is not their karma to; it is not necessary for them to, to fulfil the purpose for which they were created e.g. the devil doesnt need to know how to humble himself because thats not the nature of fire nor is it necessary in order for it to function in accord to the nature from which it is created. reflect What are you talking about?

the reason the universe sees you the way it does is because of the way you see the universe

the reason you see the universe in the way you do is because of the way the universe sees you

555 wrote:

intell wrote: Quote: some people just dont know certian things, and will not come to certian understandings because it is not their karma to; it is not necessary for them to, to fulfil the purpose for which they were created e.g. the devil doesnt need to know how to humble himself because thats not the nature of fire nor is it necessary in order for it to function in accord to the nature from which it is created. reflect What are you talking about? the reason the universe sees you the way it does is because of the way you see the universe the reason you see the universe in the way you do is because of the way the universe sees you

So it's causality based on choice. And then choice based on the effects of the last choice. Yes, no?

DaVinci:

I dig the way you post and in harmony with your name, I see you've been pointing out that most current works of art - movies, books, lyrics - all seem to be putting forth a similar theme to the "codes" in the older works of art - paintings, music, etc.

Anakin
Padme Amadala
Obi-Wan (?)

If you were in MxO, DaVinci seems like a good name for one who would be in the Merovingian's faction

intell wrote:

So it's causality based on choice. And then choice based on the effects of the last choice. Yes, no?

your on the right track but the train is heading to a different destination.

what you call 'choice' is simply the law of deprivation. cause and effect. deprivation causes yearning. yearning (which is the emotional product of deprivation) brings about change but while this is practically and chemically indicated on an earthly (biological) plane, the true cause is of the heavenly (mental) plane. as we use physical phenomenon to dictate time, the mental plane is much less contained by it and thus the choice you make next will not necessarily be based on what your physical 'self' determines to be last [choice]. you must learn to "see the world without time"
"what happened was going to happen and couldnt have happened any other way". the 'matter' has already been decided. "your here to figure out why you made the choice".

it still comes back to knowledge of self. there are many ways to gain knowledge of the universe but only 1 way to gain an understanding

From "The Devastating Mistranslations of dukkha"
etext.org...

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"Whatever had to be done was done. Whatever could be enjoyed has been enjoyed. Happiness was achieved through happiness." (Theraaghata 63b)

NoName wrote:

From "The Devastating Mistranslations of dukkha" etext.org... Quote: "Whatever had to be done was done. Whatever could be enjoyed has been enjoyed. Happiness was achieved through happiness." (Theraaghata 63b)

with respect, i havent followed the link personally. i did notice a question mark @ the end of the title which lead me to the assumption that you are making a comparisson whilst simultaneously requesting varification. why does what i say have to be varified or contained within the parameters of anothers world? i dont mind anyone asking genuine questions to gain comprehension but surely the information i present to you is either true or false independantly of the theories and belief systems of another?

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agame wrote:

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Is there something you would like to contribute or are you just making sure we stick to topic?

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this topics' first post is the best quote ever in this forum!

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with respect, i havent followed the link personally. i did notice a question mark @ the end of the title which lead me to the assumption that you are making a comparisson whilst simultaneously requesting varification. why does what i say have to be varified or contained within the parameters of anothers world? i dont mind anyone asking genuine questions to gain comprehension but surely the information i present to you is either true or false independantly of the theories and belief systems of another?

with respect, i notice a question mark @ the end of your post ...

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intell wrote:

DaVinci: I dig the way you post and in harmony with your name, I see you've been pointing out that most current works of art - movies, books, lyrics - all seem to be putting forth a similar theme to the "codes" in the older works of art - paintings, music, etc. Anakin Padme Amadala Obi-Wan (?) If you were in MxO, DaVinci seems like a good name for one who would be in the Merovingian's faction

Thanks

I have not had time to study the religion of Star Wars.

I would like to read more about Joseph Campbell's The Hero With a Thousand Faces

Lucas had already written two drafts of Star Wars when he rediscovered Joseph Campbell's The Hero With a Thousand Faces in 1975 (having read it years before in college). This blueprint for "The Hero's Journey" gave Lucas the focus he needed to draw his sprawling imaginary universe into a single story.

Note that the Wachowski Brothers' wonderful film The Matrix is carefully built on the same blueprint:

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