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555 wrote:

NoName Quote: I don't trust adding the digits of a number. The results are relative to the numeration base used to express that number. In other words, inconsistent. Quote: Not my text. A quote. But anyway, results should be independent of the numeration system chosen. Stars will not get closer if the distance to them is expressed in microns instead of light years. is there an example you can give or a different way of wording to clarify please?

Let's suppose I have in front of me on a table eight apples.
Then I add one more apple. That will make "9 apples" ( expressed in numeration base 10 ). In base 9 that is '10' apples. In base 8, '11' apples. And so on, in binary - '1001' apples.
Same thing.
Add '1' to '8' in base 9 and you will get '10'. Different bases, refer to same thing. Even mathematical computations fit the real thing and give consistent results, regardless the chosen numeration base or system of coordinates.
Like different languages. "pomme" in french, "ringo" in japanese, "apple" in english. They all point to the same thing.

So, whatever "system" I choose to look through, on the table are, after adding, 9, nine, "nine" apples, "apples"...
Addition in the realm of numbers is consistent with the actual number of apples on the table.

Now, let's say that I look up and see Batman riding a fairly fat pig, floating mid-air in the center of the room. And I wanna check if it is boringly real or just some perception glitch or, well, what is it? Sometimes it happens. You see something and think "what the ... ?" So, I ask myself: am I dreaming? did I ingest strange mushrooms? where am I? what year is it? an so on. Even more. I could blink. Is it still there? I maybe could even move aroud it if lucky enough to be gifted with such an opportunity. Does it change with the angle? Does it visually and geometrically compute? Does apparent size change in accord and realistic synchronicity with what my proprioceptive senses tell me about the movements of the body which I usually use to move around with? Does it respond when hailed "Hey, Batman!" ?

Is it consistently there while approached / viewed from / by different angles / means / languages / numeration bases ?

Because, you see, when I add the digits of which a number is composed, for instance the digits of number "nine". In base 8, nine is written as '11'; the sum of its digits is '2'. In base 9, nine is written as '10'; adding the digits gets '1'. In base 10, nine already has only one digit: '9'.
So, in my private an personal view and opinion, the result of reducing a number by adding its digits is relative to the choice of a numeration base, in other words, "not there".

NoName wrote:

I don't trust adding the digits of a number. The results are relative to the numeration base used to express that number. In other words, inconsistent.

Numbers are totaly meaningless.

We humans add meaning to every thing.

#1 = " The One " = God
#3 = The Holy Trinity
#7 = Lucky Number
#13 = Bad Luck
#888 = Jesus
#666 = Number of the Beast
etc...

DaVinci wrote:

NoName wrote: I don't trust adding the digits of a number. The results are relative to the numeration base used to express that number. In other words, inconsistent. Numbers are totaly meaningless. We humans add meaning to every thing. #1 = " The One " = God #3 = The Holy Trinity #7 = Lucky Number #13 = Bad Luck #888 = Jesus #666 = Number of the Beast etc...

i didnt have time to dig deep in to the rabbit hole this time round but i will next time GW.

i think that saying there is no meaning to numbers is a little ignorant. while it would be wiser to say you cant comprehend anything regarding the meaning of numbers, id still be frowning at my monitor (@ you) for such a statement

"we humans add meaning to everything"?

the purpose for a thing must exist before the thing itself is made manifest. do you really need me to go on?

That, of course, depends on what aspect is being manifest. You're both right. But about different things.

intell wrote:

That, of course, depends on what aspect is being manifest. You're both right. But about different things.

care 2 share?

555 wrote:

the purpose for a thing must exist before the thing itself is made manifest. do you really need me to go on?

Let me see if I understand.

Let say I need to kill a Mammoth But with what?
So I think Hmmm Something Sharp... I got it! I will sharpen the end of a stick and Make a spear.

Well this process took some thinking and experimentation to come up with a spear. The Spear Idea did not come out of no where.

Some things might be accidental.
Let's say Lightning struck some wood and fire was born and the caveman walked over to see and burned himself and droped his raw piece of meat in the fire Later after the fire was out he ate the meat and he made a discovery that fire burns and makes meat taste great.

How can something exist before the thing itself is made manifest?

DaVinci wrote:

How can something exist before the thing itself is made manifest?

Let's say ignorance exist before it is made manifest on this thread.

Matrix is here but I dont know how long, id say from the beggining of tv. dont mind my english, please. we are really living in matrix but it is much easier to get out than in the movie. and yet this matrix is much perfid than movie one couse it doesnt seem real. everything aruond us want us to belive things of no importance are essential and neccesery for living. we are lost, geting more lost, and it scares me.

Hi ya fellas (), first of all let me tell you it´s a great forum 555! I´ve learned many things here and wish to share a lot too. I have my own matrix theories but i see posts talk little about the film and start debating about many other thing (which is cool ). I´ve read the first couple of pages of this forum but i couldn´t read them all, i left at the energy orb stuff. When you mentioned it at first i couldn´t beleive it because i have been seem them since i was a child and i never heard of anyone seeing them. I thought i had some problems in my eyes or something so i didn´t pay attention to them. I also can predict how people will response to certain situations or say, ´cause i study people´s reactions on different situations. But well, all this is past theme i guess and maybe you don´t wanna talk about it here anymore, so if that´s the case i would like to ask you for a e-mail adress to discuss with you this thing or maybe another forum you have related to this. Well, gtg see ya people!

NoName wrote:

I don't trust adding the digits of a number. The results are relative to the numeration base used to express that number. In other words, inconsistent.

The Fibonacci sequence does not add the digits used in the writing of a number. It adds numbers. The digits used in the writing of a number are not that number.

Glorindel wrote:

...or maybe another forum you have related to this.

My recommendation is "http://forum.noblerealms.org"

thanks...no name (?), i´ve been to the link, very interesting things. Too bad it was all about white cells and stuff. I see i got a bad retina or something (gosh, i could have sworn there were things floating!).

You're welcome. White cells and stuff ? Where ? I see i got a good retina or something, coz I see nothing floating!

noname. i havent checked the link though there may be truth at the other end. i have been seeing them for some time. as i focus the 3rd eye in and out of densities, i see dark mini orbs falling, lights shooting from place to place, what looks like untuned TV fuzz (static electricity). sometimes i see clear grids of light just by looking at the floor and walls. they look like horizontal and vertcal waterfalls made of light channelling energy in a circuit like way. you can stay there if it satisfies your mental requirements but i left that world a long time ago. Peace

Glorindel. one of the main reasons the world has become this way is humainty has been stripped of its will power. now we let the media dictate the moral standard and we let the educational system take over our thinking processes.
my point is this: the fact that a thing is accepted doesnt make it fact. keep your mind, raise it like it were a child. investigate it like it were programmed to hide from your understanding.

Vlatka. very true. the world has been turned upside down. human beings have become addicted to every distraction yet allergic to every sign.

davinci

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How can something exist before the thing itself is made manifest?

i said the PURPOSE must exist before the thing itself is made manifest. i thought and still think this to be obvious. what this system calls education is a reinforcement in the walls of the prison.

Peace



Peace

NoName wrote:

The Fibonacci sequence does not add the digits used in the writing of a number. It adds numbers. The digits used in the writing of a number are not that number. Glorindel wrote: ...or maybe another forum you have related to this. My recommendation is "http://forum.noblerealms.org"

Ok I tried to have an open mind but I do not know what you are talking about.

Show me scientific or Mathematic proof of what you mean I do not understand existentialism.

I do not know were you want me to go in that URL

555 wrote:

davinci Quote: How can something exist before the thing itself is made manifest? i said the PURPOSE must exist before the thing itself is made manifest. i thought and still think this to be obvious. what this system calls education is a reinforcement in the walls of the prison.

I still do not get it can you give me a better example of this?

I´ll tell you the truth 555, i´ve never paid attention to these orbs until yesterday ´causei found out other people saw them. I watched into the blue sky and here is the sequence i saw. After a few seconds i could already see some transparent orbs, although few of them at first. Then i can see like 'strings' of them ( this happens rarely and i see few), but after a while i come to see hundres of orbs, they´re like dancing in the air or something. What i noticed is that if a stay focuse they start to become white in colour and they seem more and more real (concentration perhaps?). It´s hard to beleive that these white orbs camo from my eyes because they seem so real, although i could accept that the transparent ones are. But if they are white, it means that i see them white ´cause they´re reflecting light from the sun into my eyes. In order to do this they must have a certain mass, but this is impossible since no cientific experiment has detected them. (if they were so small that no cientific experiment detected them, then they wouldn´t reflect light, besides i have to focus to see them white). As far as i know if they were electic orbs without mass, we still couldn´t see them, unless we are talking about some perception of certain type.(although it has something to do with the eye because i can´t see them with my eyes shut). I have seen the black ones as you said although i haven´t seen the waterfall- like things. What the hell are these things?

davinci:

the reason a thing exists is because it serves a purpse in creation. the modern 'life' style is what makes the simplicity of what i say so difficult to appreciate. id like you to use your own mental faculties on this one. i can answer if no one is able to but i am not here to exhalt myself above you but rather to help you to realise there is more to you than you seem ready to fathom at present. clue: for you to ask a question about something true (something that actually exists), there must already be an answer to that question.


Glorindel

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although it has something to do with the eye because i can´t see them with my eyes shut

your physical eye sends the prompt that unlocks the door in your mind that allows you to see it (with your minds eye).

most of the things in the environment, you can not see. your mind has been conditioned against them by a lack of knowledge (light).

on that note, a paradox has just come to me:
it are the things you perceive that unlock the doors of your perception

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But if they are white, it means that i see them white ´cause they´re reflecting light from the sun

not necessarily. it looks to me like they themselves emit light at a high frequency (bordering UV) it looks to me like electricity impregnating light (un-dense) matter; that it weighs so little that the photon/atom frequency/density ratio excites the atom in a way we are not used to seeing. after all, the denser the matter, the more energy it requires to maintain it because the moleules are so compressed that it becomes heavy/dark as opposed to light. this makes the matter more service to self than service to other (more take, take, take than give, give, give).

a reflection of this is to look at the relationship between 'God' and humanity. He is the light and we are in a state of darkness. while we are so 'absorbed by darkness we are more selfish and our thought processes justify such by thinking 'i wont share, ive got to look out for myself' or 'they should go get a job instead of looking for hand outs' etc so He dictates acts of kindness and charity that we may gravitate toward higher principles and be more giving that parasitic (watch blade). this is why it is refered to as universal law. it is universally applicable.

Peace

555 wrote:

davinci: the reason a thing exists is because it serves a purpse in creation. the modern 'life' style is what makes the simplicity of what i say so difficult to appreciate. id like you to use your own mental faculties on this one. i can answer if no one is able to but i am not here to exhalt myself above you but rather to help you to realise there is more to you than you seem ready to fathom at present. clue: for you to ask a question about something true (something that actually exists), there must already be an answer to that question. Glorindel Quote: although it has something to do with the eye because i can´t see them with my eyes shut your physical eye sends the prompt that unlocks the door in your mind that allows you to see it (with your minds eye). most of the things in the environment, you can not see. your mind has been conditioned against them by a lack of knowledge (light). on that note, a paradox has just come to me: it are the things you perceive that unlock the doors of your perception Quote: But if they are white, it means that i see them white ´cause they´re reflecting light from the sun not necessarily. it looks to me like they themselves emit light at a high frequency (bordering UV) it looks to me like electricity impregnating light (un-dense) matter; that it weighs so little that the photon/atom frequency/density ratio excites the atom in a way we are not used to seeing. after all, the denser the matter, the more energy it requires to maintain it because the moleules are so compressed that it becomes heavy/dark as opposed to light. this makes the matter more service to self than service to other (more take, take, take than give, give, give). a reflection of this is to look at the relationship between 'God' and humanity. He is the light and we are in a state of darkness. while we are so 'absorbed by darkness we are more selfish and our thought processes justify such by thinking 'i wont share, ive got to look out for myself' or 'they should go get a job instead of looking for hand outs' etc so He dictates acts of kindness and charity that we may gravitate toward higher principles and be more giving that parasitic (watch blade). this is why it is refered to as universal law. it is universally applicable. Peace

Thank you for answering but I think that this is beyond me to understand.

555 wrote:

davinci: the reason a thing exists is because it serves a purpse in creation. the modern 'life' style is what makes the simplicity of what i say so difficult to appreciate. id like you to use your own mental faculties on this one. i can answer if no one is able to but i am not here to exhalt myself above you but rather to help you to realise there is more to you than you seem ready to fathom at present. clue: for you to ask a question about something true (something that actually exists), there must already be an answer to that question. Glorindel Quote: although it has something to do with the eye because i can´t see them with my eyes shut your physical eye sends the prompt that unlocks the door in your mind that allows you to see it (with your minds eye). most of the things in the environment, you can not see. your mind has been conditioned against them by a lack of knowledge (light). on that note, a paradox has just come to me: it are the things you perceive that unlock the doors of your perception Quote: But if they are white, it means that i see them white ´cause they´re reflecting light from the sun not necessarily. it looks to me like they themselves emit light at a high frequency (bordering UV) it looks to me like electricity impregnating light (un-dense) matter; that it weighs so little that the photon/atom frequency/density ratio excites the atom in a way we are not used to seeing. after all, the denser the matter, the more energy it requires to maintain it because the moleules are so compressed that it becomes heavy/dark as opposed to light. this makes the matter more service to self than service to other (more take, take, take than give, give, give). a reflection of this is to look at the relationship between 'God' and humanity. He is the light and we are in a state of darkness. while we are so 'absorbed by darkness we are more selfish and our thought processes justify such by thinking 'i wont share, ive got to look out for myself' or 'they should go get a job instead of looking for hand outs' etc so He dictates acts of kindness and charity that we may gravitate toward higher principles and be more giving that parasitic (watch blade). this is why it is refered to as universal law. it is universally applicable. Peace

Yeah, you speak for me too DaVinci. Thank´s for the explanation anyway 555

there became a purpose for this post because you didnt understand the last one. if you did understand, there would have been no reason to type this as it is a condensed version of what you have already read. i would not have bothered to type this if we discussed what i have already typed because there would have been no reason to. but the purpose for it to exist must have occured before it was made manifest to you.

ok. the reason a thing must have a purpose before 'man'ifestation is the same reason there must be 'concept'ion before embryonic,fetal,baby,youth 'man'-ifestation. in this example 'man' represents the fruition of maturity. the architect is the cause and the mason is the effect. the mason is unemployed until the architect has a job. the club DJ is unemployed until the music producer has a job. other wise the mason or dj has no purpose. do you understand? by the way, if it were beyond you to understand, i would not have communicated it to you. know thy self.
"to know your enemy is to be wise, to know yourself is to be enlightened": bulletproof monk (hence my sigNature)

Glorindel
i was suggesting you "cant see them with your eyes shut" because you are not yet ready to accept a mental world you can see when your physical sight is on standby. we are conditioned to believe that what is external is real and what is internal is only real following external approval. (sometimes external approval doesnt even work)

also, about the light: i was saying that maybe the dancing orbs are energized matter.
we live where matter is very dense so we are not used to seeing it act 'alive' as such. the denser the matter, the less active of itself and the less light it emits because its density requires more energy, leaving very little over to be emitted. the less dense, the less resistant to light and the more light it has to emit.

i likened the above to human charecteristics to make it more easy for readers to relate to. humans too dense to be receptive enough to receive en'light'enment live in the shadows of those who hide the light of truth behind their backs (illuminate). while subject to this satanic hypnotism from birth, society convinces them to promote the carnal which is the destructive parasitic 'vampire' aspect of man; dependant on the idea that they need to be sucking the life of others in order for they themselves to survive

here he thinks keeping things to himself is to his benefit whereas, if he was less 'tight'ly compressed on a molecular level, he would be less dense and thus more receptive to the light which would allow him to realise that it is better to give than to receive. do you understand?

555 wrote:

there became a purpose for this post because you didnt understand the last one. if you did understand, there would have been no reason to type this as it is a condensed version of what you have already read. i would not have bothered to type this if we discussed what i have already typed because there would have been no reason to. but the purpose for it to exist must have occured before it was made manifest to you. ok. the reason a thing must have a purpose before 'man'ifestation is the same reason there must be 'concept'ion before embryonic,fetal,baby,youth 'man'-ifestation. in this example 'man' represents the fruition of maturity. the architect is the cause and the mason is the effect. the mason is unemployed until the architect has a job. the club DJ is unemployed until the music producer has a job. other wise the mason or dj has no purpose. do you understand? by the way, if it were beyond you to understand, i would not have communicated it to you. know thy self. "to know your enemy is to be wise, to know yourself is to be enlightened": bulletproof monk (hence my sigNature) Glorindel i was suggesting you "cant see them with your eyes shut" because you are not yet ready to accept a mental world you can see when your physical sight is on standby. we are conditioned to believe that what is external is real and what is internal is only real following external approval. (sometimes external approval doesnt even work) also, about the light: i was saying that maybe the dancing orbs are energized matter. we live where matter is very dense so we are not used to seeing it act 'alive' as such. the denser the matter, the less active of itself and the less light it emits because its density requires more energy, leaving very little over to be emitted. the less dense, the less resistant to light and the more light it has to emit. i likened the above to human charecteristics to make it more easy for readers to relate to. humans too dense to be receptive enough to receive en'light'enment live in the shadows of those who hide the light of truth behind their backs (illuminate). while subject to this satanic hypnotism from birth, society convinces them to promote the carnal which is the destructive parasitic 'vampire' aspect of man; dependant on the idea that they need to be sucking the life of others in order for they themselves to survive here he thinks keeping things to himself is to his benefit whereas, if he was less 'tight'ly compressed on a molecular level, he would be less dense and thus more receptive to the light which would allow him to realise that it is better to give than to receive. do you understand?

Hey 555, you´ve got some good argumentative skills did you know that? We could be talking about anything but i guess you would find the way to link it to your ideas and validate them with it (like comparing the orb´s enlightment with the human´s enlightment), good for you! Well, about "seeing" with you´re eyes shut...i know that there are cultures which practice that kind of stuff. Like de shaolin temple, they train to dodge blows with they´re eyes shut That´s what i call trainning your third eye. Oh, you seem to know a lot of chemistry and something about quantum physics, do you study that or did you just read it by self interest?
Oh, and thanks for explaining things a little more "easier".

555 wrote:

there became a purpose for this post because you didnt understand the last one. if you did understand, there would have been no reason to type this as it is a condensed version of what you have already read. i would not have bothered to type this if we discussed what i have already typed because there would have been no reason to. but the purpose for it to exist must have occured before it was made manifest to you. ok. the reason a thing must have a purpose before 'man'ifestation is the same reason there must be 'concept'ion before embryonic,fetal,baby,youth 'man'-ifestation. in this example 'man' represents the fruition of maturity. the architect is the cause and the mason is the effect. the mason is unemployed until the architect has a job. the club DJ is unemployed until the music producer has a job. other wise the mason or dj has no purpose. do you understand? by the way, if it were beyond you to understand, i would not have communicated it to you. know thy self. "to know your enemy is to be wise, to know yourself is to be enlightened": bulletproof monk (hence my sigNature) Glorindel i was suggesting you "cant see them with your eyes shut" because you are not yet ready to accept a mental world you can see when your physical sight is on standby. we are conditioned to believe that what is external is real and what is internal is only real following external approval. (sometimes external approval doesnt even work) also, about the light: i was saying that maybe the dancing orbs are energized matter. we live where matter is very dense so we are not used to seeing it act 'alive' as such. the denser the matter, the less active of itself and the less light it emits because its density requires more energy, leaving very little over to be emitted. the less dense, the less resistant to light and the more light it has to emit. i likened the above to human charecteristics to make it more easy for readers to relate to. humans too dense to be receptive enough to receive en'light'enment live in the shadows of those who hide the light of truth behind their backs (illuminate). while subject to this satanic hypnotism from birth, society convinces them to promote the carnal which is the destructive parasitic 'vampire' aspect of man; dependant on the idea that they need to be sucking the life of others in order for they themselves to survive here he thinks keeping things to himself is to his benefit whereas, if he was less 'tight'ly compressed on a molecular level, he would be less dense and thus more receptive to the light which would allow him to realise that it is better to give than to receive. do you understand?

Thanks to try to enlighten me but I guess I will always be in the dark.

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Thanks to try to enlighten me but I guess I will always be in the dark.

"choice... the problem is choice"

Glorindel

either your not paying serious attention or you dont believe its possible to know universal truths. they are not argumentative skills. did you know that? The Creator creates creation using truth (mathematic principles > scientific application) when you become honest, live with integrity and begin the search for truth, you will see many of these truths manifest through principles (orb principle/human enlightenment etc) throughout creation.

i dont know anything about chemistry or your quantum physics. i have no significant qualifications and you will not figure out what im saying by being so unwilling to atleast try to discard academic programming.

in truth, i was expecting this. i have learned here that the boxed - box to feel secure with themselves. those who got [or are getting] out of that box attempt to get others out for the security of the whole