»THE RABBIT HOLE«

I see blobs and squiggles when I look into bright light.

But these are caused by movement of the fluid that coats the surface of my eyes and the dust it contains.

marl64 wrote:

I see blobs and squiggles when I look into bright light. But these are caused by movement of the fluid that coats the surface of my eyes and the dust it contains.

damn, now you took the piss out of my explanation! i delayed giving the xplanation to make for a dramatic pause. but now u said without any drama whatsoever.

anyway, marl64 is dead right. but u dont have to look into bright light, sometimes u can see them even in normal lighting. i suggest 555 wash his face/eyes everyday and if it still persists see an opthalmologist. but i must congratulate his imagination. to attribute that stuff to a 'higher reality' and 'astral planes' is really cool man. u might even get a job in hollywood and make the next series of 'enlightening' movies. and please dont give us that 'ur ignorant' shit, and dont write us an elegy like the one u gave matty. thats simply boring. look who didnt know abt dust on the eyeballs.

Seriously 555, It's cool to meditate and get that out of body experience that some people feel. I respect your practice.

From what I know, even the most experienced astral traveler never claim to make it to the Astral plane. Only dead people and people that had near death experience had claimed to travel to this Astral plane (4th dimension).

Again, its cool to escape and practice astral traveling or meditate, as many people in the world do it for various reasons. I respect that you think the "dream world" that you see is real. But please stop telling everyone whom do not believe that they are naive and and unopen minded, because they happen to think the world they currently live in is real.

May be you should share your experience with people in an Astral traveling forum, as they can relate to your experience better? You are welcome to continue to share your experience here or maybe Another Smith can moderate and give you a dedicated forum.

I will continue to read some of post, as it is interesting. But please don't impose your beliefs on others.

marl64 wrote:

I see blobs and squiggles when I look into bright light. But these are caused by movement of the fluid that coats the surface of my eyes and the dust it contains.

that actually makes sense. i can see the logic in that to a high degree and would be the first to back your point but there are a few thus far unexplainable elements to your equation. theres a lot more to the shaping my belief system than bubbles and planes (non of which i care to share) but how can you explain the timing of these bubbles appearance? are you telling me that my imagination is so vivid that it enters in to precogntition? even i have trouble believing that. what about the way that these 'bubbles' fall through objects but the direction in which they move is affected by the object it falls through? is my imagination doing 3.5 dimensional telekinisis? theres more to back my beliefs than i share (for painfully obvious reasons) but i think it would be wise of me to stop sharing info with you. i am well aware that most human beings are near to the bottom of a pyramid of consciousness and am doing everything to understand how we have fallen so far down the 'conscious ladder' and how to get back up. you lot appear happy where you are to the point of fighting with those who try to show you a different 'reality' to that which you are used to. im not telling you to believe me, im just sharing info. its you lot more or less telling me not to believe what i believe. why would you do that? if you havent experienced what i have experienced then who are you to tell me what to believe about it? if you dont take time out to spiritually evolve, who are you to tell me that its all in my head? why do i bother?

great...go hug a rainbow

555, u keep saying spirituality, spiritually evolved, etc etc...

imho, spirituality is not abt astral planes or 8 dimension or telekinesis. JC's main message was 'love thy neighbour'. i agree with that, thats the root of spirituality, in my opinion. imagine what would have happened if he had said 'meditate and release your inner potential to transcend this dimension' or some such shit. no one wouldve listened to him, bcuz such things are irrelevent.

to a human being, the most important thing is his interaction with other human beings. the medium of interaction, and its structural intricacies are largely irrelevant. of course, trying to understand the underlying order of the universe is quite exciting, and i for one find it to be the most interesting things a human can do. but that is a job for scientists, not junkies. there is definitely more to reality than this world, after all there has to be some place the dead go. but as major said, as far as we are in this mode of being, 'alive' with a body, it is all we will ever see, and the other beings in it are our connection to their creator. indeed, new theories like the superstring theory work with NINE dimensions. using solid mathematical models, not cocaine. i wont make the mistake of making assumptions abt the nature of 'real' reality from the secondary models of science, but it certainly does indicate the possibility of more dimensions. but its impossible to perceive them with our senses, while we are in this body and this reality. and y would we want to perceive them directly?

so, 555, please give me ur ideas abt how all this groovy New Age things tie in with spirituality. if u dont know how, please dont say spirituality is abt perceiving the umpteenth dimension. answer me, how the heck does the Nth dimension affect my ability to love my neighbour?

John Mirra wrote:

great...go hug a rainbow

That is the first time I have EVER agreed with Mirra! 555, You must be saying something pretty odd for us to BOTH disagree with you!

As usual Ralph Angelus is absolutely right. Spirituality is about more than the nature of reality. Even buddhism talks about such things as 'compassion' when it deals with meditation. Saying the world is a fabrication made up of bubbles has nothing to do with being spiritual.

ralph angelus' avatar is the ugliest and the most hilarious thing i saw in the last two months! *gasp bwahahaha! (joke)

i know just by reading your post that none of you are actively trying to better yourself spiritually. how then can you be so bold as to say what the root of sprituality is? if you know nothing of sprituality and astral planes then who are you to say they are not conected? how can you even have the foggiest clue about what i truely mean by spiritually evolve?

for your information, telekinisis is directly related to spirituality but your not interested in actually learning so whats the point? everything is directly related to spirituality even your every move, thougt etc (whether you appreciate it or not). whats your problem any way? why come to this forum if its so full of crap? more fool you. im not telling anyone to believe anything they dont want to but you all pasionately latch on to my every move in an attempt to neutralise them. like agents.

with the attitude you have you will never learn about anything out side of your current belief system unless its broadcasted on CNN. you dont realise this but you all inhabit very similar frequencies of thought thus making you of 1 mind. you all respond to the same information in more or less the same way and almost form an army to attack my words. regardless of how intelligent you believe yourselves to be (which i have no business disputing) you are not as 'individual' as your ego tells you.

how often do you spend meditating on yourself? thinking in to your mind, looking at the mechanics of your psychology and getting to truely know yourself? how many of you have made even the slightest attempt to penetrate the walls of your sub consciousness? if you havent really made any serious attempt to know who you are and why you do what you do then how can you have the arogance to try explaining whats going on in my head?

you can only see as far outward as you can inward. if you dont know your own psychological mechanics then you cant begin to know anyone elses or what makes you respond to people in the way that you do. if, however you do take time to spiritually progress before you waffle on about what you think spirituality is, you may be more inclined to take a more humble approach.

did i say that the 'bubbles' i see have anything to do with spirituality or was it you lot? i dont know exactly what they are and am open to logical explanations (not from recent posters as you are not actually trying to help). i do know that they are energy of some sort because of the way they behave. in fact, i will give you an excercise: on the next sunny day, take a piece of plain paper and put it in a position where the sun reflects well off it. if you have weak concentration then draw a dot on the page as a point of focus but clear your mind and try to disconect from the physical reality you have grown hopelessly used to. some people hum to help with the vibration of the pineal gland etc but eventually you should start to see tiny balls of energy shooting all over and infront of the page. they will look like loads of tiny shooting stars and they are about the same size as the 'bubbles' i see but they appear to be more energized than the bubbles.

i am sure some arrogant idiot (theres plenty of you infecting the forum) will ridicule this post before they even try the excercise but thats to be expected when you dont even know why you think what you think (or even what thoughts are). i believe the more energized bubbles resonate at a higher frequency than the dimmer bubbles that fall and so it would be more probable that you see the falling bubbles before the energized ones but the excercise mentioned is the only way i can be bothered think of for you (short of making a lifestyle out of spirituality) which lets face it, none of you are interested in.

anyway, as you can see, this is another long post. i dont expect you to take me seriously and i dont expect any of you to progress with the mentality you have imprisoned yourselves in. what if one day you found out i was right? is that not possible? or do you not think outside of the box your ego/emotions encage you in?

you say that meditiation and releasing your inner potential is irrelevant. your an idiot. i cant believe you could be that blinded. do you believe that God created man in his own image AND likeness? what do you believe that statement to mean? for both components to be mentioned do you agree that both image and likeness are of importance?

why do you consider them irrelevant? becuase your only thinking of the world that your conscious perception is limited to. and in those respects your right. afterall, what has spiritually evolving got to do with getting paid, getting laid, getting drunk and fulfilling all of your lower desires? most people in the world you cant see past have very little self control. they respond impulsively, like machines. how can you control something you have no real knowledge of? you dont want to step behind the scenes because it will force you to comply to the nature in which you were created (to the best of your ability) and be a reflection of God himself (in his image and likeness). im far from perfect but my knowlede of 'behind the scenes' has forced me to strive towards perfection and be the best person i can be (inside myself and toward others). that means no escuses for doing all the tiny little things you know your creator doesnt want you doing. it means praying and doing everything i know of to make my creator that little bit more glad that he put me here. as i said, im not perfect but that doesnt mean i cant try to be. anyway, i wont bore you with any more. do what you want. think what you want. i will continue searching, you can stay here. peace.

i'd read your post, 555, but your spelling mistakes are so horrible i cant get past the first two lines...
y'know, noone's gonna take you seriously if you dont learn how to spell... nah, im kidding, youre making some good points there...
never mind me...

have you watched alice in wonderland? do you remember when she fell down the "RABBIT HOLE" and eventually came to a Cheshire cat that didnt take anything seriously and was more of a pest and confusion than any real help. thats what that smile looks like. you should watch it. good movie. very, very informative in a covert way

Alice in Wonderland is my favourite book! its sooo great! i even know the whole jabberwocky by heart (blushing...)
the cheshire cat kicks ass but that insane tea party is the funniest and craziest thing ever written!

I can't believe how closed minded you are. How can you possibly claim to know how much we care about spirituality? Many of us are strongly religious and care a great deal about those beliefs. If you are trying to say that all spirituality involves telekinesis then you have alienated most spiritual people. Buddhism considers meditation and realisation, not telekinesis, to be important to enlightenment.

What has the nth dimension got to do with spirituality. And while we are on the subject how is a disney movie going to allow us to understand the nth dimension?

Fatpie42 wrote:

I can't believe how closed minded you are. How can you possibly claim to know how much we care about spirituality?

i don't see anyone claiming to know how much you care about spirituality...

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What has the nth dimension got to do with spirituality.

the nth dimension should be the dimension of spirituality? or i read it all wrong(again)....

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And while we are on the subject how is a disney movie going to allow us to understand the nth dimension?

i believe 555 was being ironic, while i was being off topic.

dont take it personal Piper, he is quite argumentative and has been stalking me since i signed up. youll get used to him

ralph_angelus wrote:

marl64 wrote: But these are caused by movement of the fluid that coats the surface of my eyes and the dust it contains. damn, now you took the piss out of my explanation! i delayed giving the xplanation to make for a dramatic pause. but now u said without any drama whatsoever. anyway, marl64 is dead right.

OK, you want drama?

Well (and this is absolutely true, no p1ss take here) I might be about to revise my ideas.

Today I saw my Brother who had just returned from holiday, he showed me some pics he had taken and I was particularly interested in one taken at night. He's into photography in a big way, but is at a loss to explain it.

As well as the scene that was photographed, there are a number of "bubbles", very clearly visible suspeded in mid air. Each one has an intricate circular pattern near the center.

I'm not going to draw conclusions until I've had a better look - I've asked him to e-mail me a hi-res copy and when he does I'll post it here whatever my conclusion.

But after totally debunking the idea here, I may have to eat my words.

Fatpie42 wrote:

I can't believe how closed minded you are. How can you possibly claim to know how much we care about spirituality? Many of us are strongly religious and care a great deal about those beliefs. If you are trying to say that all spirituality involves telekinesis then you have alienated most spiritual people. Buddhism considers meditation and realisation, not telekinesis, to be important to enlightenment. What has the nth dimension got to do with spirituality. And while we are on the subject how is a disney movie going to allow us to understand the nth dimension?

i can tell by your attitude that you are not on making your spirituality a priority in your life. i suppose now your going to tell me im wrong. i dont dispute that you care about spirituality but "there is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path". caring counts for nothing until you put it in to practice. actions speak louder....

im not saying spirituality involves telekinisis you idiot, im saying telekinisis involves spirituality. your getting worse. am i still alienating most spiritual people? i cant do telekinisis but i would regard myself as quite a spirtually centered person so what brought you to that conclusion. are you sure you not just looking for an argument? think hard. cummon, i dont mind you poking fun at me and trying to rip my posts to shreads. its a little psychological work out for me but its no fun with stupid posts like that.

if you keep posting shit like that im going to stop responding. lol

ps: piper was right, i only mentioned alice in wonderland because of her post. but saying that, it does have deep, deep significance hense the name of this forum and the use of it in the matrix movie.

marl64 wrote:

ralph_angelus wrote: marl64 wrote: But these are caused by movement of the fluid that coats the surface of my eyes and the dust it contains. damn, now you took the piss out of my explanation! i delayed giving the xplanation to make for a dramatic pause. but now u said without any drama whatsoever. anyway, marl64 is dead right. OK, you want drama? Well (and this is absolutely true, no p1ss take here) I might be about to revise my ideas. Today I saw my Brother who had just returned from holiday, he showed me some pics he had taken and I was particularly interested in one taken at night. He's into photography in a big way, but is at a loss to explain it. As well as the scene that was photographed, there are a number of "bubbles", very clearly visible suspeded in mid air. Each one has an intricate circular pattern near the center. I'm not going to draw conclusions until I've had a better look - I've asked him to e-mail me a hi-res copy and when he does I'll post it here whatever my conclusion. But after totally debunking the idea here, I may have to eat my words.

i dont know what your response will be but i have to be honest and say that i respect you for being prepared to swallow your pride whether you like me or not

555 wrote:

...you will never learn about anything out side of your current belief system unless its broadcasted on CNN.

Oddly enough, this is one of the fundamentals of my interpretation of the Matrix Films.

That the "artificial world" the matrix portrays is not a physical place, dimension or whatever, but a viewpoint of the world that we experience through the media which is far removed from the reaility of what actually happened.

To cite an example;

September 11, 2001 - How many new headlines do you recall ragarding events on that day that do not involve planes, buildings or terrorists?

I'm not suggesting the tragic events are in any way fictitious, or trying to play down the seriousness of what took place.

But attempting to show that based on (at least what I saw of) the media coverage, nothing else happened on that day, in any country of the world.

I am not stalking you 555!

What I was saying was that 555 here has the audacity to claim that none of us are prepared to believe in spirituality. Yet even so 555 has no idea of spirituality outside of some New Age mysticism. Religious people are very spiritual and what 555 is coming up with is irrelevant to pretty much every religion I have ever heard of.

So answer me 555. What exactly IS spiritual about astral planes? Do you believe in a God? Does your belief have any impact on morality? Do you believe in life after death?

These are all valid spiritual questions and if you truly ARE spiritual you ought to at least have some kind of opinion about them....

Fatpie42 wrote:

I am not stalking you 555!

lol. i knew that would get a direct response. see what i mean about knowing the mechanics of the mind? to be honest that was a bit of a crap example but an example non the less. you respond on impulse without any real thought behind your action, like a machine. its ok. i know your not stalking me fatpie, dont get so up tight.

my following response is in direct contradiction to your embarasingly stupid post:

did i say that none of you are prepared to believe in spirituality? or did you assume thats what i meant when i said that i know (judging by your predictability and other stupid charecteristics) that your spirituality is not priority in your life? new age mystcism? in your opinion, what do you think 'God' means when he said in scripture that He created the heavens AND the earth and that He is the supreme knower of what is in them? i guess that question answers your question asking whether i believe in a supreme being. answer my 'heavens and earth' question all the same though.

can i ask you another question? what is religeon? i am not questioning its spiritual significance but i passionately believe that there is only 1 supreme creator and hense only 1 true religeon. how much do you know about each individual 'religeon' for you to confidently say "what 555 is coming up with is irrelevant to pretty much every religeon i have heard of". come to think of it how many religeons have you heard of?

to ask what is spiritual about the astral planes is to ask what is physical about the 3rd dimension.

yes, my beliefs have an impact on morality. i am aware of the 3 main stages of individual human evolution whic are as follows:

first you ave the animalistic plane. all humans are born on this level. it when we have no concept of moral or spirituality and live a very selfish existance. when a baby is hungry it is not bothered about anything else but food and it doesnt care what has to be done in order to eat. theres a lot more to it but thats essentialy the animalistic level. the ay this world has become, most fully grow adults are still to a high degree trapped in this animalistic level.

then you have the moral level. your parents are forever trying to teach you this and it consists of the obvious consideration for others, table manners and all the general dos and donts. everyone would like to believe that they atleast fit comfotably in to this section but you give them 1 whole day with out food and see how much table manners, consideration for others and general dos and donts they comply to. most people are animalistic deep down but put on a moral mask for the day to day interaction with other masked humans. there are genuinely moral people but a lot less than you think.

then you have the spiritual level where you begin to gain a true knowledge of self and deeper understanding of purpose and causality. you become more interested in what made an event happen as a pose to the event itself. you become more sensitive to the moods of others and the mechanics of the peoples minds with in your sphere of consciousness. you become effectively blessed with the gift of mind reading. you dont hear peoples voices in your head or anything but you 'feel' them. as im sure you know, everyone has a spirit whether they want one or not. and a lot of people in this world have become negative in polarity. it requires a certain level of spiritual sensitivity to detect what the matrix would call 'agents'. but they are in effect human beings that have become negative in polarity and thus more suceptible to the suggestion of that infamous negative singular consciousness. scripture reffers to the fragments of consciousness that work for that negative singular consciousness as jinn. they reside on a high frequency but for any high frequency to communicate with the lower densities/planes/dimensions, it must first find an interface to do so i.e. human brain. when you become more spiritually enlightened you will see this with your own eyes. you wont physically see human beings shape shift in to agents in sharp suits but you will be aware that the mechanics of their psychology have been hi jacked. these jinn usually use emotion to manipulate their human prey. scripture reffers to the manifestation of this manipulation as 7 deadly sins. these jinn cant force you to do anything but human will power has been reduced so much that we respond primarily on impulse thus making us 'machines'. where there are jinn (or bad angels) there are also good ones too but the later have much more respect for free will. the jinn, however bombard you with constant negative suggestion but ultimately you do have the choice. when you know you are meant to be doing the right thing but are set to live under these conditions (free will and all) the problem is choice.

i do believe in life after death but not the way it is now. our minds are conscious energy. when our physical component dies and returns to the earth (as all physical things eventually do) i believe our conscious energy lives on. afterall, energy can not die, it is merely transferred from location to location. obviously i can not say too much on this subject so i will end here.

marl64 wrote:

555 wrote: ...you will never learn about anything out side of your current belief system unless its broadcasted on CNN. Oddly enough, this is one of the fundamentals of my interpretation of the Matrix Films. That the "artificial world" the matrix portrays is not a physical place, dimension or whatever, but a viewpoint of the world that we experience through the media which is far removed from the reaility of what actually happened.

a prison for your mind. there are alot more physical things going on than we are aware but i also beleive that the matrix it self is not a tangible thing. it doesnt exist outside the mind. it is afterall "a prison for your mind".

555 wrote:

i know just by reading your post that none of you are actively trying to better yourself spiritually. how then can you be so bold as to say what the root of sprituality is? if you know nothing of sprituality and astral planes then who are you to say they are not conected? how can you even have the foggiest clue about what i truely mean by spiritually evolve?.

How is that NOT claiming that none of us are spiritual?

To ask what is physical about the 3rd dimension is a perfectly reasonable question and has been asked by philosophers for centuries.

So you believe in dodgy version of Buddhism, got it. Well I'll agree that there are many buddhist aspects to the matrix, but since none of the animals in the matrix are real it is obvious that this is not their main point of view. I personally have a problem with closed minded pieces of Christian doctrine like the belief that animals have no souls.

Quite frankly I don't think being an exclusivist is a good thing for a religious person to be. How am I to know that the muslim God is any different from mine? I think the Ba'haists have the right idea - they claim that the major prophets all preach the same message. They claim that in fact all religions should be united in the belief of the same God.

You do realise that post of yours where you answered my questions was the first time you said anything about what you believe that didn't sound like BS right?