»No such thing as Matrix within Matrix«

Who came up with that and let it spread like a fire? You all ahve to unlearn eveything and think with a more open mind. Go beyond the movie. If you jsut watch the 1st movie, you will realise a sort of manner in which the Waichowski Brother's made their film. You all talk about blue code, yellow code, binary codes, name interpretations (funny who no one bothered to interpret Morpheus, Niobe, Nebuchnedzza, etc and only interpreted names for thei argument's sake). Now jsut look at the first movie. You will realise, everytime a scene is in the Matrix world, the background is always a greenish hue. And when they're in the real world, its a blueish hue. I am sure the Waichowski's carried this art of cinematography and filming inot the other 2 movies as well as the game. I know even 'Flight of the Osiris' had it. So therefore, its a simple task of seeing whther the abckground in Zion is greenish or blueish. If its green, its still in Matrix. If its blue, its real world. Please don't come and tell me Waichowskis decided to change one of the most basic rules when carrying out a theme in the movie. Besides, Matrix in Matrix is so liek 13th floor.

It's a theme, jsut like in Star Wars, where Tie fighters had green lasers and Rebels had Yellow. Its a way to distinguish things in movies. Maybe you guys were all too busy trying to see lil numbers on the doors and in the code at the start of the movie to realise blue and green hues.

Even if every little detail is eventually explained, I don't think the MwM theory will ever go away. It's far too compelling.

At the end of Revolutions the green hue was gone. Thus it HAD a meaning. It was not only to distinguish places.

There are several things in Reloaded that seem to point to MwM.

jonow83 wrote:

You all ahve to unlearn eveything and think with a more open mind.

It's interesting that somebody who doesn't believe in MwM speaks about "thinking with a more open mind". It's vice versa.

Lysander wrote:

There are several things in Reloaded that seem to point to MwM.

And in Revolutions, too:
Bane on Neo's spaceship: "Somehow familiar, isn't it?. We've been here before, you and I. Remember?"

knnknn wrote:

And in Revolutions, too: Bane on Neo's spaceship: "Somehow familiar, isn't it?. We've been here before, you and I. Remember?"

I interpreted that as a reference to when Smith has Neo at gunpoint at the end of M1.

I thought the purpose of this website was designed specifically as a place where people do not bunk other's theories but rather exchange ideas.

The green hue is gone in the last movie to show the new beginning Neo has produced. It is the only point where the green hue ISN'T seen in the matrix. I don't see it as any reason to believe that Zion isn't real. That would make everything they were fighting for a waste of time. The whole reason why they are fighting is because they are fighting for the truth!

This Zion is another Matrix simply makes the movies redundant so it is not surprising that people who hold this view don't like Revolutions very much.

Fatpie42 wrote:

The green hue is gone in the last movie to show the new beginning Neo has produced.

You see that's a big difference between us. I as "why is the green hue gone" and you talk about symbolism.

Fatpie42 wrote:

That would make everything they were fighting for a waste of time. The whole reason why they are fighting is because they are fighting for the truth!

Again, the same thing. Love, Christ, Faith, TRUTH.

No they fight becase they want to survive. The same way they want to survive in the fake Matrix. They fight no matter whether it's fake or not.

If it didn't matter whether it was fake or not then they might as well not be fighting - they could all just ask to be put back in like Cypher wanted to be

I agree matrix in matrix in not real. people who think it is are stupid, and to lazy to write my reasons but there are a ton

Fatpie42 wrote:

If it didn't matter whether it was fake or not then they might as well not be fighting - they could all just ask to be put back in like Cypher wanted to be

Ok, so in the first Matrix, Cypher makes a deal with the agents to get himself put back into the Matrix. The only issue here is that there's no proof that they would be able to put him back in. I also strongly doubt the machines would bother to put him back in. They'd have to retireve his body and transport it back to the "Hive" and then jack him back in. Once they get what they want (codes to Zion), why bother with the promises?

Besides, I don't think that the agents are able to make such promises. It's not their function to jack people back into the Matrix. I think Cypher fell for a pipe dream.

Bishop wrote:

Even if every little detail is eventually explained, I don't think the MwM theory will ever go away. It's far too compelling.

As long as the world 's supply of "crack" cocaine exist. The Matrix in Matrix theory will never die

As long as Wachoz market half-made products, theories will never die, no matter how lame they sound...at the end of matrix 312 we will ask ourselves "was Neo made of sand?" god dammit i used to love matrix now i ended up hating it

Um... they have to keep their promise with Cypher. The architect says at the end that he would have to keep his word. They are machines, they don't do double crossing like humans do.

Ur_DuMb_Im_NoT wrote:

I agree matrix in matrix in not real. people who think it is are stupid, and to lazy to write my reasons but there are a ton

From M2 you can make a sign. strong argument that in fact there is a MwM. To those who have no clue which apparently there is many in this group it is obvious even to the casual observer. So for starters, we will start slow, the scene with the arch. in M2 is riddled with a good 500 years plus of Philosophy. The basic crux is driven by Machivallean tendencies but the entire foundation rests upon "Cogito Ergo sum," I think therefore I am. However, as any scholar with their spit knows this is a poor translation of the phrase. I digress from that for now. The whole idea of developing or desiging a matrix is to make it viable (i.e. a program that humans will not reject) so the key which the Oracle conveyed to the Arch. is that the illusion of choice is the key. IRony would have it that the very scene we find ourself in forces Neo to choose between two paths but what he does not realize is that the choice is programmed and he has been programmed to think he has the illusion of choice. Both worlds in which he passes are M which are built for one purpose. Control...you know it and I know it. If you need further explain. go ahead and ask but don't even bother if you do not want a long and rather try history lesson in philosophy.

Oh yes and for all those who are going to make a flacid attempt to debunk my credentials you best think twice before opening your pie hole as I hold degree(s) from a top ten college in the US. Yes, I said degrees. So don't start espousing crap lest you want it to be kicked back into your face in spaids....

knnknn wrote:

Fatpie42 wrote: The green hue is gone in the last movie to show the new beginning Neo has produced. You see that's a big difference between us. I as "why is the green hue gone" and you talk about symbolism. Fatpie42 wrote: That would make everything they were fighting for a waste of time. The whole reason why they are fighting is because they are fighting for the truth! Again, the same thing. Love, Christ, Faith, TRUTH. No they fight becase they want to survive. The same way they want to survive in the fake Matrix. They fight no matter whether it's fake or not.

The fight is for the trinity....i.e. three things not four.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Bishop wrote: Even if every little detail is eventually explained, I don't think the MwM theory will ever go away. It's far too compelling. As long as the world 's supply of "crack" cocaine exist. The Matrix in Matrix theory will never die

It will never die because you have yet to come up with a reason for it to go away. BTW you are wrong so please save me the time of having to pass over your insipid response.

Ur_DuMb_Im_NoT wrote:

I agree matrix in matrix in not real. people who think it is are stupid, and to lazy to write my reasons but there are a ton

Hey, another one I can cite in the MwM hate list

You don't need to write a ton just the ones that are missing at the main site.

John Mirra wrote:

at the end of matrix 312 we will ask ourselves "was Neo made of sand?"

No, Bobby Ewing was made out of sand and turned to glass after his long lost 3rd degree cousin suddenly is found frozen in a deep hole in Australia and claims all the riches.

John Mirra wrote:

god dammit i used to love matrix now i ended up hating it

Now that's a twist isn't it? Although not the one the Wacko-wskis wanted.

zoey wrote:

Oh yes and for all those who are going to make a flacid attempt to debunk my credentials you best think twice before opening your pie hole as I hold degree(s) from a top ten college in the US. Yes, I said degrees. So don't start espousing crap lest you want it to be kicked back into your face in spaids....

As long as there are an abundant of people who hold degrees from a top 10 college in the US and crack cocaine, the Matrix in Matrix theory will never die.

The reason for believing in MwM appears to be the squidey explosion caused by Neo at the end of reloaded. However, we have found out that Neo has a link with the matrix and everything the matrix controls. He does not have powers over anything he didn't see as that golden colour when he was blinded. Zion was not that golden colour because it was seperate from machinery and the matrix.

Any theory of MwM is completely irrelevant to anything said or done in the matrix movies as far as I can see.

How can Zion be proved real if the MwM'ers don't believe the writers of the story?

In "The Matrix Revisited" they are stressing the point about green representing the matrix, and blue representing THE REAL WORLD. They refer to how they need to make everything human-like and organical to portray it as real as possible.

The only thing having anything credibility as a MwM argument, is the Morpheus line "Is this real?". But that was just to keep us discussing, and show him as a man who had lost all faith in himself.

m4jor_p41n wrote:

zoey wrote: Oh yes and for all those who are going to make a flacid attempt to debunk my credentials you best think twice before opening your pie hole as I hold degree(s) from a top ten college in the US. Yes, I said degrees. So don't start espousing crap lest you want it to be kicked back into your face in spaids.... As long as there are an abundant of people who hold degrees from a top 10 college in the US and crack cocaine, the Matrix in Matrix theory will never die.

It will never die unless you prove it to be completely wrong....just because you cannot see nor understand it does not mean it is not the case...

I have never used substances even remotely related to the one you just listed....

Zoey,
You are still wrong, the MwM will never go away for the reason I have already stated (nothing more , nothing less).

I could prove you wrong, however that is not my purpose. You could however choose to :
1. Do a history on all my posts to search for the answer.

or

2. Ignore my posts.

I could throw in more choices, but I rather keep things simple.

Quote:

I have never used substances even remotely related to the one you just listed....

And what does this prove? Didn't Bill Clinton say something similar to this effect?

m4jor_p41n wrote:

Zoey, You are still wrong, the MwM will never go away for the reason I have already stated (nothing more , nothing less). I could prove you wrong, however that is not my purpose. You could however choose to : 1. Do a history on all my posts to search for the answer. or 2. Ignore my posts. I could throw in more choices, but I rather keep things simple. Quote: I have never used substances even remotely related to the one you just listed.... And what does this prove? Didn't Bill Clinton say something similar to this effect?

Please by all means go ahead and just try....I throw down the gauntlet...go right ahead and see if your theory lasts more than one reply. Bring it on tomfool. I do not want to waste the time searching for your posts...just post all the relevant things here and if it is half-formed just edit it out and if you have to ask if it half-formed then it is and therefore delete it.

I am not the president nor do I lie to keep myself in any office more importantly I do not think I am above the law....