»Matrix - GOOD / Over analising it - BAD«

Hi folks!

I'm very sorry, but I'm about to burst your bubble guys... Don't belive? Ok, just read on...

News flash for you: Matrix is just a movie, or in this case 3 movies if you want me to be so spesific!... Old cliche? Boring imput? Is it really...

I'm not knocking down the movies (matrix I, II & III), matter of fact, the first Matrix is by far my favourite movie, definitly on my x-mas list. I loved it the first time I saw it, and I got "the picture" of what it was trying to say... straight away. Only a few more re-watching it was necesary to fill in a few gaps I didn't get the first time... probably too mesmerized watching the special effects.

Now going back to my first "revelation", Matrix is just a movie. I love the idea that is making people think, and ask questions to others aswell as to themselves, that is just brilliant, not many movies does that nowadays.

Now, if we step back, and realize that the matrix is just a movie, we find that we are in the so called, "real word", and I'm sorry to say, that is a FACT. In the real world, we (I pressume we are the "good guys") have a multitude of REAL problems to deal with, and I'm not talking "paying your mortgage" type of problems, I'm talking about BIG wold-wide social problems. And that on itself is just a hell of a lot of work to do.

I would suggest you all, to do some research, dig up, discover, un-cover, you'll find that there's so answers out there, about what is REALLY happening in this real world of ours. And I'm not trying to preach anyone here. What I'm saying is true. And I really belive that you guys are doing a fantastic work trying to de-code de Matrix. Brilliant... BUT. I would use a metaphore here...: Close, but no cigar!
My question to all of you that might be reading this is, why intead of trying to sort out what message the Matrix is trying to send us, why not try to find out what is happening, right now, in our "real world"? In other words... why not try to discover what the REAL bad guys of our REAL wolrd are really up to?

Did I lost you?
I'll do my best trying to explain it, or showing you a different angle of it.

If you would of do some research, about what is happening right now, in our world. You would find it, a hell of a lot easier to understand the movie that you guys so fiersly want to understand.
I read right here, in this forum, the tipical question, is it Zion real, is it inside the matrix, is it there to serve a porpouse FOR the Matrix...
I think you are all lost and trap in smoke and mirrows here.
Those are not the questions you have to ask, mainly because the ultimate right answer to those questions are widely irrelevant. (smoke and mirrows).
Zion, comes from ancient cultures and "religions", ultimatly means: Sion wich means: Sun.
Most ancient religions where focused on the worship of the sun, among other deities. Egiptians worshiped the sun, Greeks worshiped the sun, Romans and many more I don't have to enlist them all.
The Matrix movies are FULL of what is called, esoteric symbolism. And by esoteric, I don't mean anything to do with "magik" or "new age" mumbo jumbo.
I'm trying to give you leads, so you can continue your research on your own, using morpheus words... I can only show you the door guys.
Further more, Trinity, the name, is more esoteric symbolism. We find trinities everywhere in ancient religion, as well as in "modern days" religion like the Christian for example. You have the trinity of: "God, the son and the holy spirt", ancient version of it is: "Osiris, Isis and son Horus". You see? Esoteric meaning, esoteric symbolism. What I'm writting here is just "examples" of what I'm trying to make you see guys.
There's Volumes written about what I'm trying to explain, and certainly I'm not about to type them down here.

Esoteric issue established. Lets move to the fact that thousands of movies, books, TV series, and even buildings are full of esoteric symbolism, and the "invisible" society that puts them there is "running" the show in our planet, our REAL matrix if you prefer. One of those "groups" or societies are known as the Freemasons, hence there you have your ARCHITECT guys. But the subject I'm bringing here, is way too complex for putting it here in a few words.

If your interested about this issues, there's loads of books you can get and loads of web sites you can visit to inform yourself on this matter.
I'm sure most of you guys know them. Who ever that doesnt, I'm more to happy to help (boy! wouldn't I have love that when I didn't know anything about all this, but i wanted to know, but everyone else was more clueless than me, and didn't know how to send me in the right direction... BOY!).
Like I said, I'd love to help anyone that would like to know more about all this. I certainly I could recomend you some websites and or books.

I can't wait to read your feedback guys.
See you.

is percectly acceptable to furthur understanding of the story put forth by the directors. i don't need to reiterate how complex the story is since there are already 5 works published that propell the actual story.

analizing this movie and trying to apply them to the context of your everyday life is problematic. the variables that apply in a single person's life are infintesimal and cannot be easily templated into the context of the story.

- drumcode -

Drumcode:

No chance I'm attaking your perspective here, but after reading your highly intelectual answer, the thought strikes me: "Have he/she actually read my post?"

your post is read as a challenge to find symbolisim within the story of the matrix in everday life.

these are your words:

Quote:

Lets move to the fact that thousands of movies, books, TV series, and even buildings are full of esoteric symbolism, and the "invisible" society that puts them there is "running" the show in our planet, our REAL matrix if you prefer. One of those "groups" or societies are known as the Freemasons, hence there you have your ARCHITECT guys.

i am not attaching you. i merely refute your suggestion that analyzing within the context of the movie is a negative thing and that more time should be invested in finding symbolism from within the moive in our own lives. why do i refute your suggestion and your challenge?

we do not have a complete listing of the contexts that the directors used to inspire their story. only they are privleged to that information.

- drumcode -

Drumcode:

I have to disagree with you, I belive information is not a privilege, (well in a perfect world SHOULDN'T be a prvilege) is out there for everyone that can be bother looking for it, and yes, that again, doesn't necesarilly means that you'll find the answers or the information you're looking for.

Further more, nope, I'm desappointed my initial message didn't came across quite right, judging by your statement that I'm trying to suggest that anyone analising the movie, should be really analising it withing the context of everyday life, and try to find connections. That's certainlly one way to proceed if that's what the analiser choice, but that's not what I actually meant.



PD: I love that quote feature you used, i'm just new in this forum.

Wait!

Let's go back to that paying the mortgage business.

Doesn't that bring up the entire concept of ownership of land? Can you really own land? Wasn't that land there 10,000 years before you great-great-granparents were born? How did the person you are paying for it get it? Doesn't it ultimately mean you must work your life away to pay someone to live on the planet they didn't create?

That sounds like an economic MATRIX to me, Coppertop.

But I can only show you the door. You have to walk through it.

selene, it is fine to be a blue pill, but there are those of us out there that believe that we are in a matrix.

Not to have a go at you but if you want to believe like that is fine.

Why dismiss the individual's problems? That's awfully simplistic to separate the problem of one person and the problems of society. It's also fundementally flawed, as ALL social problems arise from the choices of individuals.

Even mortgage payments add up huge changes. How does it affect a person's debt-load. How does debt load affect he economy? How has the economy, in combination with relatively cheap mortgages encouraged suburbanization? How much has suburbanization altered American culture? How has it destroyed the cores of our great cities? What about all the pollution of all the cars? And the oil that fuels them and the wars caused by oil?

It all leads back to the choice of moving out to buy a piece of land for yourself. Everything, politics, economics, morality stem from individual wants, needs and choices.

seems to me this thread was/is inspired by the Da vinci code/dan brown...

Quote:

you can find symbology everywhere

i quoted myself.

First of all Selene, welcome to the boards and it is good to see a post like yours every once in a while that really says something important. (worth reading)

Selene and Psikey definitely know what's going on and DrumCode is getting there fast.

Neo1 and Dm83x, I ask you to read the OP closely because what you two have responded misrepresents it, imho.

I have been driving at the point you made for some time, selene:

Ah dudes, I think you should check the date on the opening post.

This came up in the randoms and I decided to comment on it anyway since I made a statement about over-analyzing THE MATRIX in another thread a few days ago.

Sorry if I caused any confusion.

psikey

ROTFLMAO!

Yep. I just followed suit. Ya know. You can't see the dates until you log in. So I just logged in and posted.

Timeless subject anyway.

I noticed that about the dates and logging in a while ago and tougjht it was wierd. Don't know any other board that does that. You know the olde saying.

Programmers do it with bugs.

psikey