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Rama-Kandra says he is "the power plant systems manager for recycling operations". Why would whoever wrote him give him the ability to love? It's completely unnecessary to his purpose.

Also, it's a bit creepy that he seems to be the guy that liquefies the dead to feed to the living.

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I don't think he was given the ability. I think for Neo to have an understanding of what he means, he used the word for the human emotion so Neo would be like "woah" or possibly "I know kung fu". I believe that is why he kept saying "it is a word".

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So you're saying you think it's something analogous to love. That's irrelevant. The machines wouldn't give programs abilities they don't need, especially since it can lead to behavior like this.

Why even make such a program sentient?

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Perhaps more important is why he was given the ability to leave?
If he is in such an important post as systems manager for recycling of bodies, why is he able to abandon his post so easily?
And with a creative, interactive software designer at that?
It seems odd that he would just be able to up and leave, unless he had a replacement, which would make sense considering the story of MxO.

PS. Why is Rama-Kandra Sati's "father?" I can understand how an interactive software designer contributed to Sati's design, but a recycling manager?

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I think there's more to Rama Kandra than meets the eye! I think that he is the dedicated program. He is defidentally not of the norm. is this situation.

It makes you wonder about the life of a program. He believes in things like love and karma. And he does not resent them. He has a wife and a daughter. Does a program go away when it is not doing it's job, does it relax?

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He wasn't programmed to feel lvoe, but he was programmed with AI, which is so ridiculously advanced at this point it's really actual intelligence.

Flip a coin. Choose heads or tails but, if you knew every variable, there would be no choice, only an answer. That is how the Architect works.
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Lysander wrote:

Rama-Kandra says he is "the power plant systems manager for recycling operations". Why would whoever wrote him give him the ability to love? It's completely unnecessary to his purpose.


That's the point.

The trilogy is positing that all sentient (i.e. self-aware) entities are capable of exceeding their primary functions and are capable of 'spiritual' phenomena such as 'love' (discussions about the nature of being human and what it means in the face of such a scenario come into play here).

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Also, it's a bit creepy that he seems to be the guy that liquefies the dead to feed to the living.


Yeah. Quite cool that he's the guy who's talking to Neo, the would-be 'saviour' of mankind.

But is the recycilng of humans really a 'bad' thing? Or is it just environmentally friendly. How different is it to drinking urine?

We consider these things to be gross, but only because of social conditioning. What The Matrix Trilogy does is to 'condition' you in the first chapter, and then re-evaluate and break down those conditionings in the second and third parts.

Neat, huh?

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Do you think Rama-Kandra and Kamala returned remained in the Matrix as Exiles? Or do you think they returned to the machine mainframe? If the latter, do you think they returned to their posts or that they were deleted? If the latter, were they deleted for abandoning their posts, evolving abilities and philosophies irrelevant to their respective purposes, for some other reason, or some combination of those possible reasons?

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Nous wrote:

Do you think Rama-Kandra and Kamala returned remained in the Matrix as Exiles? Or do you think they returned to the machine mainframe?


Rama-Kandra clearly states: "my wife and I must return to our world".

Nous wrote:

If the latter, do you think they returned to their posts or that they were deleted? If the latter, were they deleted for abandoning their posts, evolving abilities and philosophies irrelevant to their respective purposes, for some other reason, or some combination of those possible reasons?

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That's all speculation, but what we know is that Rama and his wife return because they must do "what [they are] here to do".

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And...

They were never exiles.

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As I thought about the situation, it seems interesting that neither Rama-Kandra nor Kamala were punished for bringing Sati to the Matrix. My understanding is that if you're a program slated for deletion, escaping to the Matrix is an act of disobedience. That's why you're called an Exile from that point on and are hunted by Agents. So when Sati's parents helped an Exile, shouldn't there be a form of punishment for them? Why do they get to go back to their jobs like nothing happened?

I suppose it's possible that the Machines didn't know what they did, or maybe didn't even know that Sati even existed. But that begs the question about how Smith seemed to not only know that she was an Exile, but the last one. And while we're on THAT subject, what's so important about calling Sati the last Exile? Was Smith the only one to call her that?

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