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Bane/Smith: "I admit, it is difficult to think, encased in this rotting piece of meat. The stink of it filling every breath, a suffocating cloud you can't escape. [spits blood] Disgusting! Look at how pathetically fragile it is. Nothing this weak is meant to survive."
 

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[before Revolutions] Matrix-within-Matrix: Is Zion a just another Matrix? [closed]

 

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When did the Oracle say that?

What the fuck, over.
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In "Enter the Matrix"

Niobe: "Then Neo is alive?"
Oracle: "Yes. He touched the Source and separated his mind from his body. Now he lies trapped in a place between your world and ours."
Niobe: "Can we free him?"
Oracle: "Trinity can. But she will have to fight her way through hell to do it."

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here we go.... That statement cannot be true... at least in a literal way. We already know that when a persons mind is separated from their body, they die. So, unless she was metaphorically saying that he "fully freed his mind" then that cannot be true.

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Stinkz, the concepts that the Oracle was meaning in the conversation with Niobe were: Neo has to "separate" his mind from his body(technically speaking, not literally or metaphorically)in order for him to be able to go to the source, his mind only technically went there. She also said that he now is in a place between the matrix and the real world, he is traped in another matrix, in coma, and she meant that because of the choice he made in the source(chosing the left one) that cause, produced an efect, like everything in life, in this case it caused his body to go into a coma and be traped there, and as she states, the only who can save him is Trinity.
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Puke, what I was saying was that, we already know that the body cannot live without the mind... so therefore, Neo cannot be alive in the real world and the matrix simultaneously.

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STINKZ, YOU HAVE JUST FREED MY MIND, HAVE MADE AND EXPANSION TO IT.
THINK OF THIS FACT, IF IN FACT THE ORACLE IN "ENTER THE MATRIX" STATED THAT NEO'S MIND HAS SEPARATED FROM HIS BODY, AND IF SHE WAS TALKING OF THE ACTUAL FACTS AND ACTIONS WHICH HAPPENED( IF SHE WAS LITERALLY SPEAKING), THEN THE ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION FOR NEO'S MIND TO BE IN "ANOTHER PLACE", VIS-A-VIS IN COMA, IS THAT THE "REAL WORLD" IS ANOTHER MATRIX, BECAUSE WE SURELLY KNOW THAT NEO IS NOT OLNY IN A COMA, BUT IN ANOTHER PLACE(ON THE THEATRICAL TRAILER OF MATRIX 3 YOU CAN SEE HIM IN A WHITE ROOM).
I'LL EXPLAIN MYSELF, I'LL EXPLAIN THE WHY OF THIS: THINK OF YOU AS BEING IN A MATRIX SIMULATED VIRTUAL WORLD, THEN YOU KNOW THAT AS YOU ARE CONECTED TO IT, YOU ARE PART OF THE SYSTEM, AS MORPHEUS STATED ON MATRIX 1, THEN IF YOU ARE PART OF THE SYSTEM, YOU COULD BE TECHNICALLY SPEAKING CONCIDERED AS A "PROGRAM" OR PART OF IT, OR AT LEAST BE "MANIPULATED" AS A PROGRAM CAN BE. MY POINT HERE IS THAT IF YOU ARE IN A ILLUSION WORLD, THEN IF YOU FALL INTO A COMA, AND ARE CONECTED TO THE ILUSSION WORLD, THEN YOUR MIND COULD BE "MANIPULATED" BY ANYONE "SUPERIOR" WHO HAS CONTROL OVER THE VIRTUAL WORLD OR IS PART OF THE SYSTEM; IN THIS CASE AND CONTEXT, THE ARCHITECT, AS I WAS SAYING, YOUR MIND COULD BE "MANIPULATED" AND BE "TRANSFERED" TO ANOTHER PLACE WHITHIN THE ILUSSION WORLD, WHILE YOU ARE IN COMA. THUS IF NEO 'S BODY IN THE "REAL WORLD" FELL INTO A COMA, AND HIS MIND IS IN ANOTHER PLACE AS STATED BY THE ORACLE IN "ENTER THE MATRIX", THEN THE ONLY POSSIBLE AND LOGICAL EXPLANATION FOR THIS CASE TO TAKE PLACE WOULD BE THAT IN FACT THE REAL WORLD IS ANOTHER SYSTEM, IN WHICH HIS MIND CAN BE "MANIPULATED" OR "TRANSFERED" TO BE ELSEWHERE....
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS? GIVE ME YOUR OPINION.
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I just rewatched the trailor again and I heard the oracle say that line. However, she says that he is trapped between this world and the machine world... she doesn't say the matrix. I think that since he was heading to the machine world he was trapped somewhere.

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STINKZ, YOUR PRIDE DOENS'T LET YOU FREE YOUR MIND, IT BLOCKS YOU FROM THE FACTS; MAN, BE OPEN MINDED, DON'T JUST CENTER ON YOUR IDEAS....YOU CLEARLY STATED THAT THE BODY CAN NOT LIVE WITHOUT THE MIND, AND WE ALL KNOW. NOW,HOW DO YOU THINK HE WAS "TRAPPED" BY WHOM GOT HIM INTO COMA?(IF SOMEONE GOT HIM INTO THAT) IT IS A MORE DEEPER EXPLANATION FOR HIM BEING TRAPPED, AS YOU SAID, HIS BODY CAN NOT LIFE WITHOUT THE MIND, THUS IT IS ILOGICAL FOR HIM TO BE SEPARATED FROM HIS MIND("IN THE REAL WORLD") IF IT IS THE "REALLLY REAL WORLD", IT HAS TO BE A SECOND MATRIX FOR THE SITUATION TO BE LOGICAL AND RAZIONAL.
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you are still basing that thought on the idea that Neo's mind is somehow trapped in a non-matrix, non-realworld place. Though there is a possibility that the Wachowskis could add this into Revolutions, I see no basis for it yet. I think it is more logical that Neo was trapped as he went to the machine world (while in the real world)

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