»WHAT IS THE ARCHITECT«

At the end the Architect says that he will live up to his word and makes fun of humans lack of honesty by saying "What do you think i am Human?" IF hes not human, then did a program create the matrix, a machine, or is he some sort of differnent creature that we've never seen?

The Architect is a program. Created by the machines to maintain the Matrix.

The Architect represents Satan. He has created the Matrix which is a system of choices. This system of choices allows him to manipulate humanity into sinning and doing whatever he desires. It is a system of Control. The Architect (Satan) is wanting Control. He wants Power and this is his way of getting it. This is why he was cast out of Heaven in the first place.

If you try to explain the Matrix movies by explaining people as human or programs then you will not understand. The whole point is to figure out who or what these humans/machines symbolize. Then you start to understand the real story that the Wachowski brothers are telling with these movies.

the Architect is a program that uses some mathematical system akin to psychohistory (neé Harry Seldon, Foundation) to predict what humans will do based on what they have done, and the stimuli provided.

Well, those all sound right to me but if he was cast out of heaven, what was this "heaven" that he was cast out of?

Carlito wrote:

The Architect represents Satan. He has created the Matrix which is a system of choices. This system of choices allows him to manipulate humanity into sinning and doing whatever he desires. It is a system of Control. The Architect (Satan) is wanting Control. He wants Power and this is his way of getting it. This is why he was cast out of Heaven in the first place. If you try to explain the Matrix movies by explaining people as human or programs then you will not understand. The whole point is to figure out who or what these humans/machines symbolize. Then you start to understand the real story that the Wachowski brothers are telling with these movies.

I dont think that he is Satan. He is a program that protect the matrix. Without the matrix the machine can not control the human. If the machine can't control the human(machine-energy-recources), they lost energy and die.

Remember that the humans make the war with the machines. The machines try to be with humans. The Architect remember the whole machine and human history. He doesn't like humans anymore.

THe ancients human are satan. The same that create the robot. The same that destroy and make sky black.

Carlito wrote:

The Architect represents Satan. He has created the Matrix which is a system of choices. This system of choices allows him to manipulate humanity into sinning and doing whatever he desires. It is a system of Control. The Architect (Satan) is wanting Control. He wants Power and this is his way of getting it. This is why he was cast out of Heaven in the first place.

if you're going that route, then the great Temptor in the Matrix would be the wheelin' dealin' master manipulator the Merovingian, not the Architect. Satan is the Father of Lies...the Architect isn't human enough for that.

beechnuts11 wrote:

At the end the Architect says that he will live up to his word and makes fun of humans lack of honesty by saying "What do you think I am, Human?"

That's one of the weakest lines of the movie.

Grendelvs wrote:

the Architect is a program that uses some mathematical system akin to psychohistory (neé Harry Seldon, Foundation) to predict what humans will do based on what they have done, and the stimuli provided.

Possibly, but that's not supported by the movie. He knows what will happen within the matrix because he designed it and knows everything about it. He knows what the system will produce, ie, rebels, and the One.

Since the Architect created the Matrix, I would say that he is a program created by the first AI which was created by the humans, that is the Deus Ex Machina. Or he is the projection of Deus Ex Machina into the Matrix.

quote]if you're going that route, then the great Temptor in the Matrix would be the wheelin' dealin' master manipulator the Merovingian, not the Architect. Satan is the Father of Lies...the Architect isn't human enough for that.[/quote]

Let me Clarify:

Mero represents Satan in the Real World. He is not in the Matrix. He lives in a world outside of the Matrix.

The Architect is a representation/manifestation of Satan in the Matrix. Satan's self-image would be a man in all white (god-like) cocky, appears all-knowing. Satan has always been jealous/envious of God.

The Oracle is a representation/manifestation of God in the Matrix.

All of Mero's comments to Seraph/Morpheus/Trinity about fighting there way through Hell. He is Satan/Hades. Who was Hades wife? Persiphone is her name. Mero asks for the eyes of the oracle because there is a huge difference between God and the Fallen Angel Satan. God is all-knowing. Mero/Satan wants to be all-knowing so that he can be the God.

The predecessors Mero referrs to in Matrix 2 are prophets that have come before Neo/Jesus. Neo is different/better because he is the Messiah where as they were only prophets.

I think:The Architect is human or robot,but he is not program.I think that because to me is no logic that one program write so big program as Matrix.Where that program (The Architect) was running until he wrote Matrix?

Is the architect the same person as the machine God? I think he is, but I may be wrong. The architect is one of the machine AI's and since machine AI is basically a program so is he.

The architect is Satan. Smith is sin getting out of control. It is not possible for humans to live under the strict rules of law which the Architect represents so all humans end up becoming slaves to sin.

This works a great deal better if you see the Architect as the gnostic figure The Demiurge. In the thread on gnosticism it was suggested that the Merovingian does appear to be Satan and thus is a different kind of rebellion to that of the Matrix warriors.

Architect = Satan

So where is god?

God, as we all know, is dead. (Yes, Stinkz, he IS dead).

So based on the characters we know from the movies, the choice narrows down to the dead people.

I vote for Cypher. Cypher is God!

Tank is dead. And he is sueing Warner Bros. Thus HE must be god.

Technically (according to gnosticism) humans are all aspects of god corrupted by the evil nature of the world. "Diamonds in the mud" as it is sometimes put. The true "father" God is present within all good things so he needn't be shown. The mother god who unfortunately creates the demiurge (or architect) is the oracle. Sati is the holy spirit who works through all those who have faith in Christ (neo).

So (the main/father) God never needs to be seen in the matrix and would be very awkward to portray if they did.

it has to be quite obvious that the architect is what morpheus described in matrix 1 as A.I. Aritficial Intelligence.

and as such this ai is able to construct a matrix or im even sure of multiple matrix's (just a hypothetical there).

im believing that there are many other ai's such as the oracle, seraph, merovingian, smith. i cant believe that they happen to be plugged in anywhere.

Ahh ur all wrong.

Im beechnuts freind, and what i say is The Architect isnt Satan or bad. Infact he is god. GOD! He has the power to create and destroy as he pleases.

Yet he has no power outside the matrix. Solve that one. I think we are pretty certain that he isn't the same as the deus ex machina so he doesn't even control the setinels!

you guys are half retarted.

The architect, obviosly, is a machine. Thats it. Whats with all the religious mumbo jumbo?

This particular machine created the matrix. It was done because as Morpheus puts it,"the body cannot live without the mind." The machines figured this out and decided to make all humans play a neural active simulation known as the matrix. The Architect is a machine that created the matrix. He is like a really advanced calculating machine capable of converting mathematical alogorithms into interactive images.

This was necessary to keep humans alive for their normal life span.

What is so hard about that?

To begin, The Architect is a machine. We can see his face in The Matrix, because we are seeing his "residual self-image". So that's why he appears human-like. Of course it's not his "residual self-image" in the whole sense of the word because he is not human and this is not what he look like in the real world, but you know what I mean.

If The Architect represents anything, then he represents God. It was God who created the world, the animals, humans, etc. NOT SATAN. Satan did not create anything.

Satan is represented in The Matrix, but it's not by The Architect. He is represented by The Merovingian.

In gnosticism God didn't create the world. The world was created by an evil God known as Ialdabaoth or The Demiurge. The Demiurge is deluding in believing that he is the only God or even that he is an all powerful God.

The Demiurge could be seen as a personified view of the law. Pauline theology talks a great deal about the law being bad and faith having replaced it since the coming of Christ. Faith is seen as freedom while the law is seen as simply revealing us as slaves to sin.

The architect is responsible for Smith's change since it is the equation intended to counterbalance Neo. But Neo leaves the matrix and only agrees to counterbalance sin in exchange for peace.

Howz that for a Christian parable theory?

What do you think I am, human?

The Architect is the archetype of God.

A manifestation in the last part.

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The oracle is the archetype of your grandmother.

Fatpie, I strongly diagree with your "Christian theory". I am not sure if you read the Bible or not, but he is the load down. God is not evil. We are evil. We are necessarily "evil". We are just cursed with sin. God look upon us as a ugly creature because we are full of sin.

Sin is lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, etc. Remember when you were young at about the age of 2 or 3 or even younger, you could lie straight to a person's face. No one taught you how to lie, steal, or cheat. It is inately in us to do it. But the penalty of sin has been paid us by Jesus Christ when His father sacrified Him. We still sin, we will always sin, but the difference is we now can be forgiven of those sins.

I am very sorry if I offended anybody's religion or said something the least bit hurtful. I notice this forum tends to express what they believe and I just wanted to express mine...