»Neo is Alive!«

if so then you should realise that every one else was also assimilated and they returned after the 'deletion of smith'.

if everyone else is resored then so is neo logically.

think about it.... the one will return!

I think that whatever happened to Neo killed him in a physical sense, but I sense a Jesus Christ-like thing going on. Im my opinion, the gold code makes no sense or matters to Neo, and I'll stick with this until proven wrong.

Thoughts?

My thought is everyone should stop arguing about it. It could go on and on forever. The Wachowskis wanted you to be in question at the end. It is up to you wheter you think Neo is dead or alive. The most popular and rational response would be he is physically dead, but his presence is still there.

Yes everyone else is restored but that is within the Matrix.As i said Neo is Smiths opposite so they cancel each other out,therefore Neo dying
(in the real world nothing is restored).

Id like to believe he is alive so if anyone has any other ideas plz post!

REMEMBER WHAT ARCHITECT SAID TO NEO IN RELOADED:-
"THE FUNCTION OF THE ONE IS NOW RETURN TO THE SOURCE ALOOWING A TEMPORORY DISSEMINATION OF THE CODE YOU CARRY, AFTER WHICH
YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO SELECT FROM THE MATRIX 23 INDIVIDUALS..."


IT MEANS THAT DISSEMINATION OF THE CODE OF THE ONE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PERSON CARRYING THAT CODE DIES.
SO I DONT THINK THAT DELETION OF SMITH'S CODE THROUGH NEO KILLS NEO.

AM I CORRECT?
PLZ COMMENT.

shailesh wrote:

REMEMBER WHAT ARCHITECT SAID TO NEO IN RELOADED:- "THE FUNCTION OF THE ONE IS NOW RETURN TO THE SOURCE ALOOWING A TEMPORORY DISSEMINATION OF THE CODE YOU CARRY, AFTER WHICH YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO SELECT FROM THE MATRIX 23 INDIVIDUALS..." IT MEANS THAT DISSEMINATION OF THE CODE OF THE ONE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PERSON CARRYING THAT CODE DIES. SO I DONT THINK THAT DELETION OF SMITH'S CODE THROUGH NEO KILLS NEO. AM I CORRECT? PLZ COMMENT.

I tend to feel that Neo IS dead... at least in physical form. Meaning that, if ever a continuing story is done - animations, books, games, etc. - Neo may be back, but not in his body because that is now just an empty shell.

IF Neo does return, it will most likely be his spirit returning. It could be floating around outside in astral form and/or floating around inside The System in digital form.

A very, very small clue was given about the POSSIBILITY of his return in The Oracle's conversation at the end with Sati -

Oracle: *laughs*
Sati: We were afraid we might not find you.
Oracle: Everything's okay now.
Sati: Look, look! *points at sunrise*
Oracle: Just look at that! Beautiful! Did you do that?
Sati: *nods* For Neo.
Oracle: That's nice. I know he'd love it.
Sati: Will we ever see him again?
Oracle: I suspect so. Someday.
Seraph: Did you always know?
Oracle: Oh no. No, I didn't. But I believed. I believed.

It would seem with those lines, that they left the POSSIBILITY open for Neo's return, but like I said - not in his body. That is now just an empty shell.

However, even if there is no continuing story, I am completely saticfied with the way Revolutions ended.


What is the Matrix

What is the Matrix wrote:

shailesh wrote: REMEMBER WHAT ARCHITECT SAID TO NEO IN RELOADED:- "THE FUNCTION OF THE ONE IS NOW RETURN TO THE SOURCE ALOOWING A TEMPORORY DISSEMINATION OF THE CODE YOU CARRY, AFTER WHICH YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO SELECT FROM THE MATRIX 23 INDIVIDUALS..." IT MEANS THAT DISSEMINATION OF THE CODE OF THE ONE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PERSON CARRYING THAT CODE DIES. SO I DONT THINK THAT DELETION OF SMITH'S CODE THROUGH NEO KILLS NEO. AM I CORRECT? PLZ COMMENT. I tend to feel that Neo IS dead... at least in physical form. Meaning that, if ever a continuing story is done - animations, books, games, etc. - Neo may be back, but not in his body because that is now just an empty shell. IF Neo does return, it will most likely be his spirit returning. It could be floating around outside in astral form and/or floating around inside The System in digital form. A very, very small clue was given about the POSSIBILITY of his return in The Oracle's conversation at the end with Sati - Oracle: *laughs* Sati: We were afraid we might not find you. Oracle: Everything's okay now. Sati: Look, look! *points at sunrise* Oracle: Just look at that! Beautiful! Did you do that? Sati: *nods* For Neo. Oracle: That's nice. I know he'd love it. Sati: Will we ever see him again? Oracle: I suspect so. Someday. Seraph: Did you always know? Oracle: Oh no. No, I didn't. But I believed. I believed. It would seem with those lines, that they left the POSSIBILITY open for Neo's return, but like I said - not in his body. That is now just an empty shell. However, even if there is no continuing story, I am completely saticfied with the way Revolutions ended. What is the Matrix

I ALSO LIKE THE WAY IT ENDED BUT THEY'LD HAVE SHOWN MORE.
UR COMMENT SOUNDS GOOD BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NEO ALIVE PHISICALLY.

Maybe as i said in another thread,they left the door open for a story after the events in revolutions,like if the peace didnt last and the war begun again,with new characters and a new 'One'.

Lysander wrote:

The light coming from Neo as he's being taken away does not indicate life, because in the shots of Neo in gold-view mode, there is no light coming from him. I think it's just the remnants of the large amount of energy the machines pumped into him.

true, you see Neo look at the floor as he wonders in the machine tower thingy. as he looks(in code-vision), you see he's black, no code or auru. there.

What is the Matrix wrote:

shailesh wrote: REMEMBER WHAT ARCHITECT SAID TO NEO IN RELOADED:- "THE FUNCTION OF THE ONE IS NOW RETURN TO THE SOURCE ALOOWING A TEMPORORY DISSEMINATION OF THE CODE YOU CARRY, AFTER WHICH YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO SELECT FROM THE MATRIX 23 INDIVIDUALS..." IT MEANS THAT DISSEMINATION OF THE CODE OF THE ONE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PERSON CARRYING THAT CODE DIES. SO I DONT THINK THAT DELETION OF SMITH'S CODE THROUGH NEO KILLS NEO. AM I CORRECT? PLZ COMMENT. I tend to feel that Neo IS dead... at least in physical form. Meaning that, if ever a continuing story is done - animations, books, games, etc. - Neo may be back, but not in his body because that is now just an empty shell. IF Neo does return, it will most likely be his spirit returning. It could be floating around outside in astral form and/or floating around inside The System in digital form. A very, very small clue was given about the POSSIBILITY of his return in The Oracle's conversation at the end with Sati - Oracle: *laughs* Sati: We were afraid we might not find you. Oracle: Everything's okay now. Sati: Look, look! *points at sunrise* Oracle: Just look at that! Beautiful! Did you do that? Sati: *nods* For Neo. Oracle: That's nice. I know he'd love it. Sati: Will we ever see him again? Oracle: I suspect so. Someday. Seraph: Did you always know? Oracle: Oh no. No, I didn't. But I believed. I believed. It would seem with those lines, that they left the POSSIBILITY open for Neo's return, but like I said - not in his body. That is now just an empty shell. However, even if there is no continuing story, I am completely saticfied with the way Revolutions ended. What is the Matrix

there she goes, profesizing his return

His mind is still 'alive' but it contains nihilism.

Neo's mind is in a full state of 'just being there'. Nor positive, nor negative, just being but not being there at the same time.

That's why there is glowing pure white light from his body when they carry him away.

So what your saying is, that he's retarded or something.

or in a vegitated state?

Something like retarded yes. His body that is!

In the trilogy everything that is meant as spiritual is converted into a digital thing, so for that matter Neo's digital-self has returned to it's source-code which is white optical light.

A hint that Neo is still alive is found in the fact that they are still using his physical body to spread the light through the Matrix while the Neo/Smith-RSI has already exploded.

So his mind/soul lives on in the Machine World, but it is not in an active/conscious state right now.

This whole "is he/isn't he" question is aggravated in the Matrix Online game by Morpheus' hunt for Neo's body. Apparently no one knows where the body is, and the Machines are pretty much saying nothing. Morpheus' death was more or less a result of his frantic search for Neo's body, so I'd say it's meant to be a hot topic for us to discuss.

Not only that, but there's a character who's briefly mentioned in the game whose name is Sarah Edmontons. She was in a hospital in a coma, but suddenly woke up one day and escaped. Some time later, she came under Seraph's protection. Her current whereabouts are unknown. The interesting thing about her is that her name is an anagram for Thomas Anderson.

What I want to know is this: what's the reason the writers had Sarah Edmontons be in a coma? Is it because Neo's mind inhabited her RSI and took it over, somewhat like an agent taking over a bluepill? There was a recorded conversation with Morpheus where he stated his belief that just such a thing could happen. Perhaps Neo is running around the Matrix right now in the RSI of Sarah Edmontons with no recollection of who he is.

Maybe Sarah's mind and body are seperated, just like what happened to Neo when he touched the Sentinels.

The body and the RSI were both in 'coma' (he was waking up in the trainstation) untill the carrier signal was restored.

Neo maybe took advantage of this and hacked his mind into her body, making him able to consciously control her RSI?

But why would he do all that? It sounds weird.

It DOES sound weird. And I'm assuming that Sarah Edmontons is an entirely different person than Neo because I'm assuming that she did not suddenly pop into existence in the hospital the day that Neo died. By all accounts, she is a bluepill who was in a coma. If Neo's mind is in her RSI, then he is either sharing her body with her mind (like an agent will do), or her mind was somehow wiped and her RSI was like an empty shell.

My gut feeling is pretty much along the same lines you indicated, Mobil, except I feel that there is nothing conscious about his mind being in her RSI, any more than he made a conscious decision to end up at the trainstation.

Maybe the machines, when the matrix was restored to its previous state after the Neo/Smitch battle royale, inserted Neo back into the Matrix as this Sarah character, and fabricated her entire backstory, all of her past, and her interactions with the world up until that point, essentially implanting this new character into the system so that to everybody else she just appeared to have always been there? Remember, memory is nothing more than chemical reactions in the brain, and short/mid term memory is more electrical than long-term, chemical memory... But if all memory is just simulated biochemical reactions stored in binary form, as they would be if you were living inside the Matrix, then the machines can essentially manipulate time and space themselves in the context of the Matrix. The cat appearing, turning into code temporarily and then reappearing, it's seen whenever there's a change in the Matrix... There's no reason for the machines not to just essentially reincarnate Neo as this Sarah character, as thanks for bringing peace. Why not, if you're doing a system rollback to the last known good state? One more person isn't going to hurt.

Slightly off-topic, what I find more interesting is that the sun still exists in M3 (I always thought when Morpheus tells Neo, "it was the humans who blotted out the sun" (words to that effect, I don't know the script word for word), he meant that they actually destroyed the Sun as well as cause the eternal thunderstorms, I know in Animatrix you see the humans darken the sky, but the Sun would eventually make clouds evaporate, so the first time I watched M3 I was a bit surprised by that. The Logos arcing through the clouds into the daylight is, imho, one of the best scenes from the whole trilogy.

Right, I've got that off my chest.

Neo is the sixth anomaly. Could it be possible that each anomaly is a reincarnate of the previous anomaly?

It's definatley a possibility

Morpheus' thoughts on that>>

Could it be that light that Neo's body was floating towards could be a return to "source" or the entrance to the other side. The same light tat we are supposed to see after death. I know there are various statements made in the movies that allude to or flat out reference this light.

How many times in the movies(or in life) do we equate this to moving to the next level?

When Neo is telling trinity that the Machine City is made of light. I get the feeling that how he feels about this is more significant than just the fact that he can see it.

Quote:

Neo: It's unbelievable, Trin. Lights everywhere. Like the whole thing was built with light. I wish you could see what I see.

(Like I have to actually quote the movies to anyone on this forum anymore)

This is something that he admittedly was afraid of earlier in the film.

I am not sure if I am explaining myself correctly.

It doesn't matter if Neo is dead or not. His existence is significant to bring about change in the world. Not how or if he died. Same could be said for Jesus.

I think what was shown and what is important is that for this cycle of existence, Neo has played his part.

Not bad.

So are you saying that you see congruent concepts in many religious perspectives in this 'seeing' the machines as light scene?