»the GOLDEN glow«

This isn't Freddy Krueger. When you are hurt in the matrix, your real body is basically undamaged. Otherwise Neo wouldn't have been able to come back after being shot, nor would he have been able to bring Trinity back.

Zaa Nayazu wrote:

As far as for "neural activity" as you all call it, we have no copper wires inside our heads, the word "electricity" is used analogically. Neurons communicate via neurotransmitters, which are biochemical substances synthetized by the neuron itself. So stop that please

It's not an analogy. There really are charges moving in your brain. It's just in the form of ions rather than free electrons.

Ok, I know that, and obviously you do, but i believe many here do not.

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This isn't Freddy Krueger. When you are hurt in the matrix, your real body is basically undamaged. Otherwise Neo wouldn't have been able to come back after being shot, nor would he have been able to bring Trinity back.

When Neo fell during the test-jump, blood came out of his mouth. When he got beaten by Agent Smith you could see this cause his body in the real world was shaking, and again bleed came out of his mouth, so damage IS taking place. The reason he came back after being shot in my opinion is because he was already starting to believe.

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Man I believe you have some good stuff going 'round here, but you are missing the point that perhaps Neo is a program itself, not a human with special abilities. As far as for "neural activity" as you all call it, we have no copper wires inside our heads, the word "electricity" is used analogically. Neurons communicate via neurotransmitters, which are biochemical substances synthetized by the neuron itself. So stop that please

Sorry, I have to disagree. Why does so many people assume copper is needed to exchange information? The fact that Neo sees those golden glows mean that there IS exchange of information (I'm still assuming the Zion-world is real). Whether that information is exchanged via photons, radiowaves, or whatever is not that important. The sentinels are also operated via a wireless connection. Remember also that all humans have been adapted to deal with input of information via the connection in the back of their heads.

Sorry man, i used copper just to make a statement, you are right

No problem. It's good to have a discussion, and I hope I will eventually have a satisfying theory. As soon as the DVD is available of Matrix 3 I'm going to look at the trilogy many many times.

I think that "the one" is a program.

Let me explain why: Like the arcitect said 'there have been many one's before you'. Every time a "one" returns to the arcitect Sion will be destroyed, the matrix will be rebooted and the one gets the change to free 23 people from the matrix to rebuild a new Sion. After this happend a new one will be appearing after "some" time. So it looks like "the one" is a program that has to be linked to a random induvidual with in the matrix. A program designed for keeping the matrix free from flaws (99% believes in the Matrix, 1% doesn't)

I also think that agent smith is the only one human thats tries to escape from the matrix and all the charecters in the movie are program's designed for preventing this.

I don't want to totally explain this, it would just take to long. But short some facts why I think this:

-In m1 Smiths talks to morpheus, that he wants to escape "this zoo" blablaba "Humans act like a [/b]VIRUS". So he compares humans with viruses.
-In m2 and 3 Smith acts more and more like a virus. He's spreading out throug the matrix and also starting in Sion.

At the end of m3 Smith has been destroyed and Sion is still intact. So this explains the titel of the movie revolution s. The first revolution is the
deleting of the virus Smith. The second revolution is the fact that Zion and the machines are now in peace. The third revolution: people get the choise Matrix or Zion, plugged or on-plugged.

But infact nothing , for the humans, has been changed. They're still trapped in a simulation and are batteries for machines. The machines instead have improved there "battery system". They don't have to go to the whole "the one" processes anymore. People who want to stay in the matrix stay there, the people who want to be "un-plugged" return to Sion and still are trapped in an simulation but think they're free. (Question is what happends when they find out Sion is also a simulation )

D3RaX wrote:

I also think that agent smith is the only one human thats tries to escape from the matrix and all the charecters in the movie are program's designed for preventing this.

I hate to break the news to you, but Smith is part of an agent program that went rogue. There is no proof that says Smith is human. Show me a few.

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(Question is what happends when they find out Sion is also a simulation )

There is a big contrast of the the behavior and emotions between the humans in zion vs. the character/programs in the Matrix world. The humans in Zion shows different ranges of emotion, compassion and passion. The characters or programs in the Matrix world are very predictable in their behavior, they speak mumbo jumbo and most don't even show emotions at all.

If you go on believing that Zion is a simulated world or (Matrix within a Matrix) , then you are going on a wrong path and will end up confusing yourself even more and will never find the answers to tie it all together.

Yeah, i agree, the more people think that the Matrix <-> Matrix theory is valid the more silly+confusing it would get.

Also finally ran across _one_ explanation for the Squid popping through Neo.

It wasn't a "real" squid per se, but the essence/spirit of.
If it were "real" it would've had to gone through the front of the ship first.

But i'm going to have to see the film again , going to IMAX this time, mm detail.

Take a look at this shot from the Matrix...
It looks like Seraph turns into a gremlin...
Maybe the golden glow means you are a gremlin...

Crotcheteer wrote:

When Neo fell during the test-jump, blood came out of his mouth. When he got beaten by Agent Smith you could see this cause his body in the real world was shaking, and again bleed came out of his mouth, so damage IS taking place. The reason he came back after being shot in my opinion is because he was already starting to believe.

That's why I said basically undamaged. The mind is powerful enough that some minor damage does occur, but no wound channels appear.

In my opinion... the golden code is a symbol of something.

the golden code is the visualisation of the source. those familia with hinduism will find the source is the brahman (the source and sustainer of all life) Everything living thing machine and/or human came from the source, since machines live off the energy of humans they are as alive as we are.
The creations of the human intellect as said by Smith, are as artificial as the Matrix itself, so there's no difference between artificial intelligence and our intelligence. Neo is not a program he's simply one to reach Nirvana or Moksha if you will. He has become one with the Source. Hence

"Return to the source" is also a symbolic phrase.

I understand most people, will try to reject something like that in the movie, but seems the only other program we see shine is buddhist in nature, hence his persuit has escaped evil and the search to become one with the source. Seraph was a hitman for the Merovingian, hence he refers to Seraph as the 'prodigal son' who has come back for the bounty.

So the golden code is the source.

Later.

manavs wrote:

ok, heres a thought - first time poster, long time reader. big fan of the matrix. i apologize in advance for my posting if it has already been posted somewhere in here previously. and if so, id like to see it. everything i have found and read on this site from the 'architect' of matrix-explained.com i have enjoyed thoroughly. onto the topic. well has anyone else noticed the specific times that we as viewers have seen the "golden glow?" it has been seen with: 1 seraph as protecting the oracle - matrix 2 2 the merovingians' restaurant scene - matrix 2 3 the blind neo smith/bane fight on the ship - matrix 3 4 machine city - matrix 3 5 the oracle getting "virused" or cloned by smith - matrix 3 (i would like some help remembering all of the others that i may have missed and posting them here for sake of accuracy) my point here is that we all know that programs glow, and neo can obviously read the programs as he is a hacker by trade and his powers "extend beyond and all the way to the source yada yada." so did anyone notice at the end when he is walking the plank to talk with the duex machina that he is black and everything around him is glowing. when he dies though, HE becomes the glow. as if to say either - 1 he has been hacked by smith and thus a program. 2 or he was a program to begin with 3 or he has assimilated into the program/machine world im curious to see some viewpoints on this as i havent found any thoughts on it as of yet. but he definately started to glow at the end of it all. thanks

i think your wrong about one thin, some of the times your talking about the GOLDEN glow its not golden its GREEN, which changes everything cuz neo only see gold in the real world because and green in the matrix

Think we are like Lost or even "loster" ja



I think though that we are assuming that everything that appears golden in the movies is "golden code", and we should not.

a. Seraph shines in a very particular way
b. Bane/Smith does differently, perhaps more like what Neo sees in the Machine city

Please someone

everything in the matrix is basically green codes. Programs in the matrix, humans plugged in the matrix, the walls, the floors... everything natural occuring with a purpose in the matrix.

Codes that are not natural to the matrix are in Gold.

Seraph and the oracle are probably from the machine city that are jacked into the matrix. They do not naturally occur in the matrix.
The cake is made of something special. Something out of the matrix. Not natural of the matrix.

Outside of the matrix, codes are in gold. Machine city, Bane/Smith.

Yellow or green codes simply depict a natural occuring program of the matrix or not.

The Merovingian is natural in the first matrix. He simplies exiles himself. Hence therefore he should be green.

Sounds pretty good to me, except for the Mero

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That's why I said basically undamaged. The mind is powerful enough that some minor damage does occur, but no wound channels appear.

How do you explain bleeding KNOWING that you're in a virtual world?
I understand that you can feel pain, because that information is sent to your brain via the connection to the matrix, but bleeding?