»Sofia Stewart, Investigation, Results and talking to her«

strife wrote:

I've been reading a bit about the entire Sophia fiasco, and in my nature, decided to research the crap out of it. These are the results of my findings. So where do I stand now? Reloaded and Revolutions were a huge disappointment. I'm going to investigate this further, but something is telling me that there's a reason the two movies sucked, and I'm thinking this is it.

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Good stuff. I did some reading and looking around as well,
and, after needing a break from the process, had to. just HAD to...

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*snicker* (if that made no sense.. don't worry about it. )

However, I definitely agree with many of your points.
Perhaps that's WHY there's so much difference between the first movie, compared to the second and third.

Perhaps it's why so much was unanswered. The essay was roughly 5 pages, at the time of copyright, yes? 5 pages of material could be worked into a movie, giving it definite infuence. With that material being unfininished, it might explain some of the unanswered questions...

I still have no real decision.

thank you for your input, though. I'll be checking this out as it progresses..

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to activate and stimulate the left and right brain...

A bit off topic, but just wanted to nuance and balance the "Sophia goddess" thing just a bit:

LauraS:

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You are quite right about the Jewish and Christian not treating her as a goddess, but she was not a greek goddess either, but a "gnostic" one (or Archon/Aeon, which was as close as they got).

Yes, Sophia is gnostic, but that doesn't mean she isn't *also* Jewish (kabbalistic).


Duality:

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Uh...Judaism and Christianity do not acknowledge any 'goddess' or 'god' beyond Yahwey, the Creator. 95% of Christianity consider the Holy Spirit and Yeshua (Jesus) to be God, creating the Trinity.

Well, what happens if Sophia **is** the Holy Spirit, and "spirit" just happens to be easily considered to be feminine in Judaism?

Sophia, Wisdom, is central in the Jewish wisdom litterature, which we see evidence of in the Old Testament, as you mentioned Duality:

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'Sophia' is mentioned several times in the Old Testament, but if you check it out the only mentions of her are in poetic books and no where in the Jewish or Christian scriptures is she considered in any way to be a figure of worship.

But just because wisdom is not to be worshiped doesn't mean that she isn't divine. Several Christians won't worship the Holy Spirit, but that doesn't mean the Holy Spirit isn't divine...


In one of the early gospels from the Israeli Christians (that didn't make it into our Bible) Jesus calls the Holy Spirit his Mother. So this was also the view of the very first Christians.

I believe that Judaism, or maybe more specificially Kabbalism, does acknowledge a female side of God; "God's female soul", as starchild2003 put it, I guess is a pretty good description of her.


So, Sophia is gnostic, I kind of archon or aeon, but she can also be found in more traditional (but less known) Judaism, and also very much in early Christianity: not neccesarily a "goddess", but as the feminine side of God. Christianity eventually confered this feminine divine into the Virgin Mary called the Mother of God and The Queen of Heaven.


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Indeed alot has been said. About the Origin of the original film - I think this issue will develop in a number of directions.

As lawyer I am now investigating the Sofia Stewart story. I approach the subject as a sceptic because I am not sure who Ms Stewart's legal representatives are or who is pressing her buttons but I do know that details of an impending legal case should be kept under wraps at least ahead of any trial. The fact that a legal suit has been filed does not lend credence to her story and its credibility. As a lawyer based in the UK, I can tell you that the United States has the highest rate of Civil Litigation in the world - IN OTHER WORDS PEOPLE SUE ALOT!. The important thing for all of us with a geniuine interest in the matrix is finding the truth.

Can anyone with extracts of Sofia Stewarts original work please email it to me. I will be speaking to Ms Stewart very shortly and will place a transcript of the interview on this site. I am not convinced I even downloaded a PDF dossier which is suppose to support her case. But we all know about dossier's designed to convince people of things. (Iraq!)

Speak to you all soon.

This thread seems to have gotten lost in the whole Sophia (Sofia?) Stewart section and it's a pity as it consists in a great piece of detective work.

Please think of this thread as a blog. Look at the first article and then comment on it. It seems to have the most even-tempered critique of Sophia's case from a fans personal viewpoint.

It focusses on a lot of questions, none of which seem answerable by either sophia supporters or wachowski fans.

And to be honest I think it's all a big hoax, I've seen other stuff saying she won the case etc. etc. having followed the excellent research links in this thread, I stumbled on those odd few pages from "Turd Eye" oops sorry "Third Eye" and whoever wrote them has no real talent for writing, lets face it the material is garbage.

I think its sad, that someone who might be a little bitter about being NOT a good enough writer, and using the "I'm black its an injustice" line is just grabbing for attention, fame and wealth, these words spring to mind in her statement on

The article where it said she won was a misleading article. It was actually supposed to say that she had won the right to take the case to court. There is no guarantee that she will win the case and, as you have noticed, not much reason to think she should...

It's all a hoax, let her go to court, let her get her fill of the media spotlight, then when she gets her ass laughed out of the courtroom we can all turn round and laugh at her in unison.

This is just so funny, its like my grandmother claiming she wrote E.T.

If this woman has any case at all, WB's and Silver are going to throw her a bone to make her go away. (read: Hefty Settlement)

What else can they do? If they spend the money and fight it, they could still lose, even if this is all complete bullshit. If they lose officially, it costs them $200m and credence in the public eye, (tho I doubt the WB's are going to do another big film ever again) and if they win, well, they didn't win shit. They "won" not losing money, minus court and lawyer fees, of course.

We're going to see a giant settlement, and then Sophia parading around like she's Jack, holding the axe, standing on the giant, and we'll never, ever get to see The Third Eye, so none of us will ever know.

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Maybe the US law system works differently to the UK, I always thought that if someone loses a case such as this one, they pick up the court costs etc, In a way it would be funny for instance say she loses, she picks up the bill, then she can go back and say she lost because she's black, she seems to like to play this card often, why is it people have to stoop to racial paranoia.

Really if she was so cocky about all this, she would publicly put the script on line for all to see, including all the evidence she has, having a look around the media their is absolutely no real evidence to all this, why is it that it's all these low key sites that are carrying the news about this? oh I forgot media giants are keeping it off the radar.

I think the person in question needs to go have a chat with a professional, you know the sort I mean, end of the day its all an elaborate hoax, and people are soaking it up, the net in places is like a colostomy bag (full of sh!t).

I'll just sit back and wait, get my box set dvd for xmas, I'd sooner give my money for products to reputable companies/studios, not some fictional character.

Five wrote:

Maybe the US law system works differently to the UK, I always thought that if someone loses a case such as this one, they pick up the court costs etc,

It does, but the winner still has to pay for his lawyers. And Silver's wouldn't be cheap.

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Really if she was so cocky about all this, she would publicly put the script on line for all to see, including all the evidence she has, having a look around the media their is absolutely no real evidence to all this, why is it that it's all these low key sites that are carrying the news about this? oh I forgot media giants are keeping it off the radar.

That's what I think.

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I'll just sit back and wait, get my box set dvd for xmas, I'd sooner give my money for products to reputable companies/studios, not some fictional character.

Plus, who wrote it or where it came from is irrelevant if you enjoy it. If she came up with the whole thing, clear down to the "I know kung-fu," Then good for her. She should have gotten a legal copyright and stayed in the game from the get-go. Now, she's gonna have to settle for however many thousands of dollars the WB's and Silver are going to throw at her to make it go away.

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Jesus I really feel like swearing but I wont, it just makes me sad how some people use PC as leverage, people are who they are and should be happy just to be themselves, I dont want to get all soap boxy about it, but who's being racist, she is.

Hey I know lets al get together and sue her, lets take it back for the white man afterall I as a white male am destined to steal and plunder anyone darker than me! (as Sophia/Sofia/Zenia sees it).

On October 4, 2004 the Central District Court of California ruled in favor of Sofia Stewart's case, and awarded her a percentage of the film grosses, which is at an estimated value of 2.5 billion dollars. An FBI investigation revealed that Warner lawyers were aware that the story (which, if read in its entirety, is The Matrix) was infringing and actually advised on the first cut of the first movie, which resulted in about 30 minutes of footage being dropped for being blatantly infringing. It is also important to note that a) Stewart wrote the story in 1981, and b) she filed her lawsuit in 1999, immediately after seeing the movie.

This information is all available via AP wire, and in court clerk releases but not in any media affiliated with Time Warner (which is alot of the media).

That's funny. An AP archive search for "The Matrix," "Sophia Stewart," or "Sofia Stewart" turns no pertinent results.

I guess Time Warner got to them, too.

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sexyrexy wrote:

On October 4, 2004 the Central District Court of California ruled in favor of Sofia Stewart's case, and awarded her a percentage of the film grosses, which is at an estimated value of 2.5 billion dollars. An FBI investigation revealed that Warner lawyers were aware that the story (which, if read in its entirety, is The Matrix) was infringing and actually advised on the first cut of the first movie, which resulted in about 30 minutes of footage being dropped for being blatantly infringing. It is also important to note that a) Stewart wrote the story in 1981, and b) she filed her lawsuit in 1999, immediately after seeing the movie. This information is all available via AP wire, and in court clerk releases but not in any media affiliated with Time Warner (which is alot of the media).

-yeah,(although worded different) thats the same report that was later found to be false. as stated earlier, she simply won the right to move the case to trial.

We're Racists! Because we're not believing everything we read on the internet.

(I just wanted to beat everyone to it.)

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nah, we have just been payed off by time warner.

just got my check in the other day! woo ho!


haha

Why is race being brought in to this thread also? These threads are becoming repetitive.

allone wrote:

nah, we have just been payed off by time warner. just got my check in the other day! woo ho! haha

Me too. I's gonna buy me a hella tizzight pizzorche.

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fo shizzle?

911-GT1?

haha

ok, off topic...sorry

carry on...

El Escogido wrote:

Why is race being brought in to this thread also? These threads are becoming repetitive.

She brought it up, look at the sites, read the statements, they all imply it!

J.rr tolkien .. J.k.rowling , read both yet ? harry potter is gay no doubt , but the similarities between the two stories are scary to say the least . Have not seen anything about that though have we ?



Even if she did write some crappy essay , so what ! If you read anything about the bro's they got idea's from so many sources , not saying they did not read her essay , but saying that she is the true author of it and deserves some form of compensation for is a bucket load of crap .

Let her do all she wants let us have acces to the original essay and let us see for ourselves let us decide for ourselves or else it is just another form of control , treating us like mushrooms , (keeping us in the dark and feeding us on sh!t ) .

In the words of shakespeare "Begone foul spot" .

You know she should only be sueing Andy & Larry, if they did steal the story let them suffer they are the ones who F'ed up, the only thing I can see coming out of this is a lot of harm, she will damage WB, take a large one off Cameron/Silver and Hollywood will no doubt ditch the sci-fi genre, fearing anything similar in the future.

Nice one Sophia, take your cash and f*ck things up for everyone else on your way out, hope that money helps you sleep at night if and when you get it, hopefully you wont.

If it all does go her way she will p!ss a lot of people off, and some fans do get a bit protective of what they like, she will no doubt become a very hated person and go down in history for it, mother of the Matrix my arse.

allone wrote:

nah, we have just been payed off by time warner. just got my check in the other day! woo ho! haha

Hey! No fair! They cancelled mine!

if you go to us district court website in the region in which the suit is filed you may see all the pleadings filed in the law suit

as to copyright: once it's written it's copyrighted -- that's all there is to it

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as to copyright: once it's written it's copyrighted -- that's all there is to it

Uhhmmm....NO ! Sorry to dissappoint you , but it doesnt work that way. (thank god too)