»Sofia Stewart, Investigation, Results and talking to her«

3seas wrote:

Yeah, I'm for real

So you are a carpenter like the brother of Jakob?
I have a problem with that forum...it produces a glitch in the eye...so black..so green

I cannot condone the suductive, deceptively manipulative, sadistice promotion of sacrifical crufixion as depicted in the bait and switch trilogy known as the Matrix. As such my posts are being deleted and replaced with this.

LauraS wrote:

I've read "The Miller's Tale" at the official site and was impressed with it. Followed Grant Morrison since his "2000 AD" days, were he was mostly known for his "Rogue Trooper" work.

"The Miller's Tale" was written by Paul Chadwick. William Gibson is a novelist who basically invented modern cyberpunk, and a lot of The Matrix, including the name, is drawn from his work.

Re: Grant Morrison, I'm specifically referring to his "The Invisibles". You should check it out if you haven't already.

LauraS wrote:

Incidently, does anyone know if the comics online at that site are available in a paper collection?

shopcdsbooks.com...

I just to throw out some ideas about how the first Matrix movie relates to the other 2. It is kinda of all based on the subtitle for M3, "Revolutions." Everything comes back around to the beginning; it all revolves around. In M1, there is the idea of "deja vu." Something that happens that seems familiar.
1. The movies are the story of the 6th Matrix. This is the sixth time this happened.
2. In "Revolutions," when Trinity, Morpheus and Seraph go to see the Merovingian, during the initial gun fight where the vampires are on the ceiling, there are two scenes where Trinity does the same move (the jumping crane kick) and the somersault off the wall. Of course, this idea could be explained with the theory that the Wachowski's just aren't creative and had to use the same ideas that Stewart had supposedly put into the first Matrix.
3. And lets not forget that the three movies all have their respective themes that hold true. 1 is birth; 2 is life; 3 is death. They all fit together.
4. And finally, for now, in the first movie, when Neo is awakened and flushed down the pod, he falls into the water. And the crane lifts him up and out; his arms are outstretched in the crusified position. This is deja vu-ed in "Revolutions" at the end.
Well, I think that is all that I can come up with now.
I think that there is an excellent argument presented with the Sofia Stewart case. And I hope that there is more information provided soon.

Even so, "The Miller's Tale" I found quite good.

Read a lot of Gibson back in the 80s but so far the only real reference to his works other than the Matrix seems to be Jonny Mnemonic (sp) -- that seem to be set in the same universe as Neuromancer and Burning Chrome (spot the "Dog Sisters" in the nightclub scene).

Thanks for the reference -- I'll get my local comic shop to get it in.

LauraS wrote:

Read a lot of Gibson back in the 80s but so far the only real reference to his works other than the Matrix seems to be Jonny Mnemonic (sp) -- that seem to be set in the same universe as Neuromancer and Burning Chrome (spot the "Dog Sisters" in the nightclub scene).

That's because Gibson wrote it. It was based on the short story of the same name, which appears in Burning Chrome. He also wrote the screenplay (but I suspect it was changed quite a bit).

Does anybody know Ms. Stewart's e-mail address? It would be interesting to hear her view on the sequels.

Lysander wrote:

That's because Gibson wrote it. It was based on the short story of the same name, which appears in Burning Chrome. He also wrote the screenplay (but I suspect it was changed quite a bit).

Gasp -- I ought to check the credits more often (only ever caught Johnny Mnemonic free-to-air)! Been a long time since I read that anthology -- worth another read, obviously.

I have been researching this story for one of my paranormal websites and I have come up with some very interesting tidbits. When I hit a block [no further info available] I often look towards the unseen for information. That means researching a persons name and star charts, for all of you die hard Matrix unravelers the plot gets thicker.


SOPHIA is the Hellenistic, Jewish and Christian Goddess of Wisdom, who represents God's female soul and is said to be the source of his power. She is called the All, the Maternal Being, and Lady Wisdom. Sophia is divine feminine wisdom, pure, timeless consciousness. She is the holy spirit of wisdom, pregnant with knowledge who leads the willing soul out of ignorance and blesses those who seek to study and share in her knowledge. Sophia reminds us to seek our own divine wisdom within.


"Oracle: "The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from: The Source."


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I fully understand her name is spelled Sofia but this is the root origin Sophia.

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In her book Sophia: Goddess of Wisdom , Caitlin Matthews traces the history of Sophia and the various ways in which she has been considered. Matthews states: "Sophia is the great lost Goddess who has remained intransigently within orthodox spiritualities. She is veiled, blackened, denigrated and ignored most of the time; or else she is exalted, hymned and pedestalled as an allegorical abstraction of female divinity. She is allowed to be a messenger, a mediator, a helper, a handmaid: she is rarely allowed the privilege of being seen to be in charge, fully self-possessed and creatively operative".


There is a book I'm looking at called 'The Black Goddess' about the goddess Sophia

page 7

"the black goddess is the mistress of web creation spun in her divine matrix"


So many synchros...spooky...


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I found a ton of synchronicities involving this lady herself, and the chip appear to fall in her favor.



Additionally Ive noticed people saying because she didnt 'do the work' or develop the 'movie' she has no entitlements. According to international patent and copyrighting law you are thoroughly incorrect. Do you think 'Popeil' invented all of those products he endorses, did George Foreman invent the Georgia Foreman Grill? When a conception is copywritten it is privy to all future modulations, changes, alterations [which cannot be done without the creators permission ANYWAY]. Sofia did her part, and she SUBMITTED the story - sometimes this is all that a person can do without connections and money. She is very much entitled to a portion of the revenues according to law....

I cannot condone the suductive, deceptively manipulative, sadistice promotion of sacrifical crufixion as depicted in the bait and switch trilogy known as the Matrix. As such my posts are being deleted and replaced with this.

starchild2003 wrote:

SOPHIA is the Hellenistic, Jewish and Christian Goddess of Wisdom, who represents God's female soul and is said to be the source of his power.

For mor information about Sophia, check out the Religion forums forums.free2code.net... at Free2Code.Net, particularly forums.free2code.net.... She's not really a "goddess" as such, but an Archon, sort of an Angel figure (and hence lower down in the "chain of command").

starchild2003 wrote:

Additionally Ive noticed people saying because she didnt 'do the work' or develop the 'movie' she has no entitlements... ... According to international patent and copyrighting law you are thoroughly incorrect. Sofia did her part, and she SUBMITTED the story - sometimes this is all that a person can do without connections and money. She is very much entitled to a portion of the revenues according to law....

Surely there are two or three issues here. They are:

a) Was her script sufficiently developed to be complete enough to be considered the basis of the first Matrix film?

b) If she submitted it to Warner Brothers, was it even looked at, at any level (or did it end up in a "slush pile"), and if so, was it retained?

c) Did the Brothers ever see it?

I have read a few pages of "Third Eye" and see no resemblance whatsoever to "The Matrix". I assume that I am missing something or that there is another website that has released more of her story. If anyone knows how to get her story please post the link. Or if anyone knows the similarities between the stories can they explain them.

i've been reading about Copyright issues since i started playing guitar, and i have a friend that works in the Copyright Office (now).

the bottom line is this: unless Sofia Stewert (or anyone else) can come up with a registered copyright already in existence, and can prove damages (meaning, she had already done something generating income with the story or whatever she had written) she will get nothing from the legal system. besides, the brothers can draw enough parallels between the Matrix and other stories to illustrate the running themes in this kind of sci-fi. similarity of works is important, but it actually takes a backseat to proving an injury. financially, i mean.

it doesn't surprise me that people are coming forward claiming that the brothers had ripped them off. The Matrix franchise is a liscense to print money! *L*

Probably Sofia Stewart could get problems, too, if Warner draws similarities between HER work and works before her.

strife wrote:

Wow, I'm actually quite shocked that no one here has been interested in the developments with Sofia. If you're looking to get answers what really happens in the matrix, what this lady has to say is it. I see many people blindingly throwing ideas at the movies or empasising their distaste for the movies, so why not look at the source of the movies themselves for answers? I believe many fans who are regulars here believe there are fundamental flaws regarding consistancy from M2 and M3 compared to M1, and that flaw would be the absense of the creative writing of Sofia.

I'd like to see more of the (allegedly) original essay myself. Is it available anywhere in a more complete form?

I think too many people have developed an emotional attachment to the movie, and have created cult heros out of the Wachowskis. A good friend of mine had a script stolen its not a good feeling. My brother has had countless music stolen [platinum selling hits], that is not a good feeling.... until you have experienced it you can tell people to roll over and play dead all you want to....

Grendelvs wrote:

the bottom line is this: unless Sofia Stewert (or anyone else) can come up with a registered copyright already in existence, and can prove damages (meaning, she had already done something generating income with the story or whatever she had written) she will get nothing from the legal system.

Blunt perspective, but I'm not sure it's entirely true. If her work was used without her consent, that is stealing.

What if another studio would have bought her story a year later, but they were beaten to the punch making her story now useless?

We haven't seen her full text so we can't draw judgement on the similarities. (Granted there are no similarities in the 2 scanned pages)

Sofia's claims include more than copyright infringement, but racketeering as well. It would be unwise of me to speculate on the scope and magnitude of the racketeering claim. Hope people take the posibility seriously as in any civil or criminal dispute.

There's a struggle between those with power and those without, and powerful people can be rutheless when it comes to achieving their goals, with no concern for how they hurt people by cheating, stealing, alienation, defamation, and in this case siphoning the creative work of others. If they used her story, protocol is to pay her for it, right?

Did she not notice her work was stolen until AFTER it was a successful trilogy grossing millions upon millions of dollars?

They actually stole the idea of the Matrix from ME.

Same thing with Star Wars, Alien, Predator, Jason, Freddy...

yinandyang wrote:

We haven't seen her full text so we can't draw judgement on the similarities.

It'd be nice to see either a PLAIN TEXT or PDF version of the text -- the graphics are just a little tioo hazy for me to be able to read the clearly.

Is this in the offing sometime, anyone?

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SOPHIA is the Hellenistic, Jewish and Christian Goddess of Wisdom, who represents God's female soul and is said to be the source of his power. She is called the All, the Maternal Being, and Lady Wisdom. Sophia is divine feminine wisdom, pure, timeless consciousness. She is the holy spirit of wisdom, pregnant with knowledge who leads the willing soul out of ignorance and blesses those who seek to study and share in her knowledge. Sophia reminds us to seek our own divine wisdom within.

Uh...Judaism and Christianity do not acknowledge any 'goddess' or 'god' beyond Yahwey, the Creator. 95% of Christianity consider the Holy Spirit and Yeshua (Jesus) to be God, creating the Trinity.

Sophia is the Greek, meaning 'wisdom.' It is used in a great deal of poetry as the name of wisdom, who is not a goddess, but a poetic figure representing wisdom. 'Sophia' is mentioned several times in the Old Testament, but if you check it out the only mentions of her are in poetic books and no where in the Jewish or Christian scriptures is she considered in any way to be a figure of worship. Sophia was a Greek goddess, but not a Jewish or Christian one.

As for the copyright business...yes, Sofia would have to prove that the Wachowski brothers, and/or anyone else involved in the making of the movies knew about, drew from, and used Sofia's essay in order for her to receive compensation from the Matrix empire. Since the philosophies more than likely aren't going to cut it, since the philosophies layered inside of the story are ancient idea, she's going to have to show that some of what they used came directly from her essay, such as specificly written characters, lines, etc.
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Sophia is the Greek, meaning 'wisdom.' It is used in a great deal of poetry as the name of wisdom, who is not a goddess, but a poetic figure representing wisdom. 'Sophia' is mentioned several times in the Old Testament, but if you check it out the only mentions of her are in poetic books and no where in the Jewish or Christian scriptures is she considered in any way to be a figure of worship. Sophia was a Greek goddess, but not a Jewish or Christian one.

You are quite right about the Jewish and Christian not treating her as a goddess, but she was not a greek goddess either, but a "gnostic" one (or Archon/Aeon, which was as close as they got). For more info about Sophia, check out the religious forums at forums.free2code.net....

3seas wrote:

I cannot condone the suductive, deceptively manipulative, sadistice promotion of sacrifical crufixion as depicted in the bait and switch trilogy known as the Matrix. As such my posts are being deleted and replaced with this.

Well, isn't that nice? Could someone translate for me, please?

3seas went totally against the Matrix Trilogy, after seeing Neo being transported away to the Source with his arms out at his sides as if he was symbollically crucified ! PHEW

By the way, welcome to Matrix-Explained, enjoy your stay

Why does 3 seas have a problem with a symbolic Christ figure being shown symbolically crucified? My advice is for 3 seas not to watch the anime movie "Neon Genesis Evangelion: End Of Evangelion".

I seems to me that since Sophia Stewart's work cannot actually be found anywhere then it is not surprising that none of us believe her. Even if we read it and it was The Matrix word-for-word then that would not prove that it was written first. Since we can't even read it we haven't got any way of commenting at all.

All we have is one woman insisting that she has been screwed over in the courts and that she had her work stolen by the Wachowskis. It just so happens that this is after the matrix movies have made an absolute fortune. Some people reckon that she is just after money and others are convinced that she has really had her work stolen. However, none of us can even begin to say such things when we cannot even see her original work!

she fuckign stole the idea from the book of revalations....