»admin doesnt know what he's talking about?«

is it just me or does it seem like whoever the admin is (knnknn?) doesnt understand at all whats going.

for example, he seems to fixate on the possibility of zion being a simulation, when the movie killed all possibility of that.

reading the main page, i will answer what you call "unanswered questions"

1) The machines have powerful weapons and highly advanced machinery but have to fight Zionites for 100 years and cannot get their energy from above the clouds?

isnt it possible that the machines have grown acostum to the way they get energy now? humans? also they say in the first movie that they can get more energy through humans than from the sun. Why just go up to the sun when they have the humans contained already and have more accessible energy?

2)Why are most whites the bad guys?

im not 100% sure what your talking about, are you trying to say that all of the white people in the movie are bad people? and either way, are you that racist that it matters? also, it seems to me majority of actors are white. i dont know why you even ask a question like this, its not even important, and has NOTHING to do with the plot of the matrix

3)Why do the heroes wear sunglasses and leather?

why cant they? this is a choice that they made obviously, because they can dress however they want to in the matrix. also i believe the wachouski brothers did this to give a "cool" effect to their characters, and in my oppinon, look sleek. again, this has nothing to do with the plot and your just picking up little details that dont matter.

4)How could Zion be destroyed and repopulated already 5 times? What happened with all the debris? An important question dealing about whether Zion is real or just another rebootable simulation.

do you have no imagination at all that is resonable? because the other "zions" didnt survive, except for what was it? 23 people? how do you know that zion has been where it has been from the beginning? again, you are looking too deep in the wrong places.

5)Why is Trinity "3nity"

if you have gone through any level of education past elementary school, you should know that tri means three, (3). therefore it is an abriviation of trinity. can you get anymore stupid?

i am not critisising this site, it seems to have some highly intelligent people who actually understand this trilogy. However, if you are going to have stupid questions that YOU feel is unanswered, then i think you should just have this place as a forum, and take down the whole main page, because it seems to me, is a waste of time reading, and a insignificant oppinion. i hope i have answered what you call unanswered questions, and will use htis site(not forums) for a greater purpose than just having YOUR oppinions of how crappy revolutions is and so forth, and stop fixating on the possibility of zion being a simulation, its not! i dont see any forshadowing or anything giving a hint that thats a possibility. you are just trying to make something that isnt a theory, leave it alone!

"Do you disagree? Then bash me at my matrix forum how stupid I am, and that I didn't get anything, and that I am a 12-year-old boy who was thrown out of kindergarden. You can always try to change my mind"

do i care to try change your mind? do i even care about you? no, i just want you to realize that the whole main page is a waste


as for revolution, it was a great movie, now watching it twice, i do not know if "story" wise, it was great alone, but when put together with the other 2 movies as a whole, it is one of the greatest movies/concepts i have ever seen/herd of. some people didnt watch the movie in detail, and must have only watched the action parts (which i must say, was a big portion of the movie) i understand that some questions were still alittle open ended, especially the whole neo having powers outside of the matrix. but half the questions people ask are already answered, or is very close to it. im hopeing i didnt waste 10 mins writing this....i wouldnt be surprised if the admin took this down.

ya i agree completely i thought the movies were flawless and ya that knnknn does seem like him

lucid wrote:

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is it just me or does it seem like whoever the admin is (knnknn?) doesnt understand at all whats going.

You've managed a total of 5 posts, not been coming here very long have you.
We have a great Admin at this site and to state that he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about is just utter crap..Knn is entitled to his opinions and his views..That really is the whole point of sites like these...Get a Grip

all these newbies (I was a newbie too, but I wasn't that insolent) come to argue in these boards... where were these guys before revolutions came out?

Newbies should have a post limitation, I've looked at the threads and man... I used to think my posts were redundtants... You guys need to read a little more and talk a bit less.

Enjoy the site which was open to discussion, not as in "we're nerds who understand the everythign about the matrix" and cannot make our own opinions.

You guys need to take a RED chill pill.

peace.

wow, i have 5 posts, and you have nearly a thousand, does that make you any better than me? if thats the point your trying to make by pointing out the number of posts i have posted, then your no smarter than whom i am addressing.

and if it is only just his oppinions, then the site name should really be changed, because your saying the theories he expresses dont explain anything, and half of them dont give good reason supporting it.

thats nice you post alot, i could care less.

andromeda - "You guys need to read a little more and talk a bit "

i took the time to read the admins oppinions and find almost every single one of them ridiculous.

and how can you call me a noob? are you just looking at the number of posts i have made so far? do you think that really determines the amount of understanding i have for this series? like another smith said, what the admin said were his oppinions. And now i am saying, these are my oppinions/theories.

"where were these guys before revolutions came out?"
where were you the whole time the matrix has been out, cause if you supporting what another smith said and the admin said, you obviously have wasted your time.

i understand where you are comming from, but to discrimate me for lack of posting, you're just stupid....

lucid wrote quite SARCASTICALLY:

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thats nice you post alot, i could care less.

I couldn't give a f**k whether you care or not, what I was trying to say was You should read some of the old posts and don't just go on the latest ones...and WE ARE ALL entitled to our opinions here....We don't always agree but if we did it would make for some very shitty reading UNDERSTAND NOW? Don't get so f*****g nowty

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i understand where you are comming from, but to discrimate me for lack of posting, you're just stupid....

ok... so you're newbie and I'm stupid... good one lucid.

I'm not argue with you all I'm asking is newbies to take a chill pill, did you take into consideration a lot of the posts were made before revoloutions came out? I saw people replying to messages from august like... these is stupid this is not true. Ofcourse not, but back in august it was theory.

All I'm saying is that it's easy to "be comming" and "discmate yu" for "lack of posting"

have you heard of SPELLING? and grammer? Asking to take a chill pill is "dsicrimination". oh boy. Fine I'm stupid, though I can spell better, write better, read more than you, posted more than you. I'm stupid!

If I'm the standard for stupid then what are you...

took the time to read the admins oppinions and find almost every single one of them ridiculous
and how can you call me a noob? are you just looking at the number of posts i have made so far? do you think that really determines the amount of understanding i have for this series?

listen to yourself man... if you enjoyed the Matrix you have much greater potential than to come here and argue. I saw your posts and you're not one of the BAD newbies, so my apologies I usually post something like WELCOME instead of DUH!

WELCOME TO THE MATRIX EXPLAINED

thats great you dont give a fuck another smith

"what I was trying to say was You should read some of the old posts and don't just go on the latest ones...and WE ARE ALL entitled to our opinions here"

if so, then you should listen to what i said

"and if it is only just his oppinions, then the site name should really be changed, because your saying the theories he expresses dont explain anything, and half of them dont give good reason supporting it."

i said the site name should be changed, becasue the main page doesnt explain anything. YOU'RE TELLING ME TO NOT CRITISIZE THE ADMIN FOR HIS OPPINIONS, THEN YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME AND STOP CRITISIZING MY OPPINIONS. leave it alone already

yeah, i was just earlier stating my oppinion on what they said in the main page, umm.... you said that these theories were made up before revolution...but then the main page makes it sound like these are still possibilities and stuff. i came across harsh, insulting the admin, but i still feel he is incorrect. i have no beef with you andromeda, and thanks for welcoming me to this forum.

lucid wrote:

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i said the site name should be changed, becasue the main page doesnt explain anything. YOU'RE TELLING ME TO NOT CRITISIZE THE ADMIN FOR HIS OPPINIONS, THEN YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME AND STOP CRITISIZING MY OPPINIONS. leave it alone already

I'm not criticising you for your opinions, I'm criticising your shitty attitude... Lokk lets just all be friends OK...I hate all this bickering..It is very unusual here...
Lets start all over again...Hello Lucid and welcome....

again, leave it alone, i dont want to discuss this issue with you anymore.

::puts this behind::

Another Smith wrote:

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Look lets just all be friends OK...I hate all this bickering..It is very unusual here... Lets start all over again...Hello Lucid and welcome....

I think you missed this....

oops i did hahaha sorry

I joined the forum today because after visiting a number of times and finding the home page thoughts interesting in the past, I figured I would check back and see what the author has to say about Revolutions...wow, I was surprised.

Here's my opinion: The home page comments on Revolutions make it sound like the author hasn't really "got" the Matrix story. Virtually every comment on the front page was addressed in the movies...

That said, I can see where people are coming from when they say they didn't like the movie...I'm just glad I liked it so much. To each their own!

I watched all three of the movies today (again) and came away very, very impressed. More so than when I saw Revolutions on opening day. There are plenty of good posts around here on interpretations that match my own so I won't go there.

Anyway, the series just clicked for me.

Cheers,
TRS

lucid wrote:

for example, he seems to fixate on the possibility of zion being a simulation, when the movie killed all possibility of that.

You see, that's a big difference between us. I am open to anything, whereas you state that Revolutions proved that Zion is real, while it didn't prove that.

lucid wrote:

also they say in the first movie that they can get more energy through humans than from the sun.

They don't.

lucid wrote:

Why just go up to the sun when they have the humans contained already and have more accessible energy?

I cannot imagine how it would be EVER possible for a human body to produce more energy than atomic fusion. Ever. Total nonsense. And even IF, then why run a matrix simulation, which can eventually destroy the whole system? Sorry, I consider this either as "not answered" or as "giant plot hole". But they had 2 movies to explain it, thus it's most probably "not answered".

lucid wrote:

im not 100% sure what your talking about

Then read my site.

lucid wrote:

are you trying to say that all of the white people in the movie are bad people?

Read my statement again.

lucid wrote:

and either way, are you that racist that it matters?

Read my site.

lucid wrote:

also, it seems to me majority of actors are white.

Watch the movies again.

lucid wrote:

i dont know why you even ask a question like this

Because this site is about asking questions.

lucid wrote:

its not even important

Who defines whether this question is important? Is it important to know whether Neo died or not? Why?

lucid wrote:

Why do the heroes wear sunglasses and leather?

Excuse me, but Smith turns off the light and it's raining hell and Neo wears sunglasses? Smith's sunglasses changed in the movies. The Oracle wears sunglasses, Seraph, too... Don't go around and tell people they're asking stupid questions, while they are legitimate.

lucid wrote:

do you have no imagination at all that is resonable? because the other "zions" didnt survive, except for what was it? 23 people? how do you know that zion has been where it has been from the beginning? again

I don't understand you.

lucid wrote:

you are looking too deep in the wrong places.

Again the same problem. You are on a matrix discussion board. So stop telling people they shouldn't ask. And stop giving answers like "Why not".

lucid wrote:

5)Why is Trinity "3nity" if you have gone through any level of education past elementary school, you should know that tri means three, (3). therefore it is an abriviation of trinity. can you get anymore stupid?

I guess you didn't understand the problem. THAT IS MY GODDAMN QUESTION. Why has Trinity the "3" in her name. What the heck are you talking about?

lucid wrote:

i am not critisising this site, it seems to have some highly intelligent people who actually understand this trilogy. However, if you are going to have stupid questions... i just want you to realize that the whole main page is a waste

I can't believe this ignorance.

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i hope i have answered what you call unanswered questions

You didn't even try.

lucid wrote:

YOUR oppinions of how crappy revolutions is and so forth

Revolutions is a brilliant movie, unfortunately doesn't answer any questions.

lucid wrote:

and stop fixating on the possibility of zion being a simulation, its not!

Aaah, there we have it. The same story as in other forums. The Zion=real believers are bashing the others for their opinions. I should make a board only for ZINAM believers. 95% would talk endlessly how stupid the others are. So typical.

lucid wrote:

i wouldnt be surprised if the admin took this down.

I never take a post down.

i already proved you wrong, i dont want to waste my time doing it again, have a good day. i could start something by having a comeback to everything you said... why dont i? because i choose to

I don't quite get why this thread goes on as long as it does. That first post by lucid answers EVERY question perfectly in my opinion and I share his view that the administrators views on the main page did not seem very coherent or relevant.

How can anyone possibly argue that Zion isn't real now that they have seen Revolutions?

oops - have just read knn knn's answers

-Yes I agree, the sun thing is a pickle - maybe there are problems with constructing towers that go higher than the clouds.

What it DOES say in the first movie is that "now the machines would have as much power as they would ever need" - that is what Lucid means when he says they don't need to get energy from the sun.

- when is trinity ever called 3nity? If she is then maybe it is because she was a hacker like Neo was. 3nity is a typical online nickname someone might have.

- if you don't understand the zion explanation Lucid gives then I'll try not to just repeat what he said again. Here we go:

Zion is rebuilt by 23 people so firstly why would they need to build it somewhere else? I have a theory that some if not all the councellors know that Zion has been destroyed before and that is why they are keen to see what Neo can do to stop it. That would explain why they have a story of a man born inside the matrix who will return and end the war.

Even if that theory is rubbish it still does not matter since Zion needn't be rebuilt in the same place every time and if the old Zions explode and collapse then the new ones would be unlikely to find them.

A lot of things like white bad guys and sunglasses in the dark are poetic license and can't be answered by debate like this.

This is why I see it as strange that you find these questions hard to answer.

Fatpie42 wrote:

when is trinity ever called 3nity?

I don't know if you want to fool me

At no time Trinity is called 3nity. What are you talking about?

"THAT IS MY GODDAMN QUESTION. Why has Trinity the "3" in her name. What the heck are you talking about? "

"At no time Trinity is called 3nity. What are you talking about?"

That is why the administrator doesn't know what he is talking about - he contradicts himself!

I believe what you said is not scientifically correct:


.... also they say in the first movie that they can get more energy through humans than from the sun.


Here's why:


Energy cannot be created and it cannot be destroyed, only transformed.

Humans produce energy by 'burning' food. No matter how short or long you make the food chain... the ultimate source are plants.

Plants are the only ones who can 'produce' food, they are more properly the only ones who can produce organic matter from inorganic matter.

They do this through photosynthesis, in which they combine water and carbon dioxide into sugar using SOLAR energy.

So the energy that the machines harvest from humans IS solar energy in origin.

It is stored by the plants in a chemical bound within the sugar, this sugar goes through a food chain to get to humans, and humas burn it using the same oxygen that plants freed in their processing. And in this burning the energy that the plants 'captured' is freed (and used)


But NO transformation is 100% efficient, but looses some energy as a byproduct: heat. And this heat is lost and it is what increases the infamous entropy of the universe.

So the energy that you can harvest from humans IS the solar energy that the plants collected, minus the part that was lost in the transformations.


So using solar energy directly is more efficient than using human energy.

It is not true that you can get more energy from humans than from the sun, but it's exactly the opposite.


I hope my explanation was clear and easy to understand.

Harry.

After having read all of this topic I'd like to add a few thoughts.

lucid wrote:

5)Why is Trinity "3nity" if you have gone through any level of education past elementary school, you should know that tri means three, (3). therefore it is an abriviation of trinity. can you get anymore stupid?

I'm afraid it was you the one who missed the point. Admin wasn't asking why tri- means 3. That was his premise, not his question. He was asking: Since trinity means 3, and the Bros say they have chosen every name with great care, in which way(s) is she associated with the concept of triplicity?

He started spelling it 3nity only to highlight the fact that her name did contain the concept of triple.

I too cannot find anything regarding her in any one of the movies supporting this association with 'three'. Once again, remember that it was declared that every name was choosen with great care to be meaningful.

lucid wrote:

can you get anymore stupid?

At the risk of becoming the object of flames myself, I find this statement quite unpleasant and improper.

Why becoming so agressive and insulting?

If you feel that any statement or question is wrong, wouldn't it be better to ask and verify first? Misunderstandings can happen.

And even if you disagree, why insult? Can you prove that you posess the knowledge of the 'Ultimate Truth'? Can you prove that you are always right by definition? If you cannot, then you are not entitled to define other people's words as 'stupid'. They are only different from your opinions.

White_Pawn wrote:

i agree completely i thought the movies were flawless

If you understood what most of us couldn't, would you please share it with us? We will all be very grateful.

Many of us do not feel ashamed openly admitting that there are many things that we could not understand but found inconsistent.

If you believe you have a consistent understanding of the whole, I would ask, but I would also suggest, that you kindly explain it to us.
I am suggesting it, because you might otherwise give the wrong impression that you're only too proud to admit that you too didn't understand and cannot explain it.

Actually many of us feel that you should not attach meaning to every shade of colour. The majority of the movie makes a great deal of sense and there certainly don't appear to be any flaws that i can see. If you would like to ask a question we would be quite willing to answer.

I happen to feel that there is a strong sense in which in the first movie the three characters represent the three parts of the trinity of which "trinity" represents the holy spirit. However, though the characters do not change names later they do not represent the same things in the last two movies.

This is only an interpretation though and it could be said that to read this much into it starts to make a mockery of the film. But maybe it makes people more likely to see the christian allegory in the film when people can say "the one is saved by the love of the trinity"....

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Actually many of us feel that you should not attach meaning to every shade of colour.

I agree. There are some side issues that we'd better not analyze. I believe some little minor inconsistencies can be forgiven and forgotten. Those are probably there to allow a more dramatic plot. The main example is in the description by Morphesus of how the machines produce electricity: "The body generates.... Combined with a form of fusion...". If the machines can use fusion, that would be more than enough and a lot easier to control. There would be no need for all the troubles they go through to harvest human electricity. But... we would have no story. "We scorched the sky, but the machines built fusion generators, so they can still operate." No Matrix, end of story.

But there are some other MAJOR issues that are pivotal points of the story that seem illogical or inconsistent and that I believe cannot be ignored and dismissed. That because too many other points in the plot are connected and DEPEND on those to make sense.

"Is neo a program and not a human?" or "How dos he stop the sentinels in the real world?" cannot be left unsolved because they have very big ripercussions on the rest of the story.

So I agree with you: Not every shade of color need a meaning. But the big main ones still DO.

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I was starting to focus on the source of my confusion and was planning a detailed posting on it. Meanwhile, I came to see if there were new messages in this thread and noticed that you already had the very same intuiton:

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However, though the characters do not change names later they do not represent the same things in the last two movies.

I believe you have discovered the main source of all the confusion many feel, and made a very good description, while keeping it short and simple! Compliments!

That is the main problem, there is no continuity and consistency between the first and the other two movies. Characters suddently change behaviour and caracteristics, and turn into something new not compatible with what they had been 'till then.

I find this is, and I believe many others do, a major BIG flaw. Having noticed and so effectively described this, do you still believe that

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The majority of the movie makes a great deal of sense and there certainly don't appear to be any flaws that i can see.

?
Isn't that a big flaw?