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101 its significance is only surpassed by the number of people who dont no it, wat does it mean?

im not a huge movie buff but just wondering why they would kill off both Neo and Trinity when they were the 2 most important characters of the series.

Myst wrote:

...just wondering why they would kill off both Neo and Trinity when they were the 2 most important characters of the series.

Well the last film was all about death -- death of the war, death of the matrix, and the death of neo and trinity. Perhaps it was less important that they died, than how they died.

Well, I'm the person my friends come to to explain the series, but OK, let's assume the answers are there and I just don't understand it. Please explain:

1.
a) How was Neo able to stop the Sentinels in Reloaded? The Oracle says his power extends beyond the matrix, but that's what happened, not how it happened. We already know that the power of the One extends beyond the matrix.
b)How is Neo able to see certain machines after he's blinded?
c)What happened when a sentinel passed through Neo? How?
d)How can Neo be connected to the trainstation/matrix without being physically jacked in?

2. How did Neo allowing Smith to overwrite him lead to the destruction of all Smiths? One theory is that Deus Ex Machina used the copy of Smith's code that was running on Neo's body to search the matrix and delete all instances. But if that's the case, why couldn't the DEM use any old person? And if everyone in the matrix has been taken over by Smith, why would he need the code at all? Just delete all running code. Or just do a search for code that's running in more than one place and delete all instances. Or if the DEM was willing to kill all humans connected to the matrix anyway, why not just shut it down?

3. How did Smith become so powerful? If taking over the Oracle gave that Smith more power than the other Smiths, then his code would have been different, thus negating the "Search and Destroy" theory for 2. And if taking over the Oracle gave him the extra power, doesn't that mean that the Oracle had those powers as well? If she was more powerful than Neo, why would she need Seraph? Wouldn't the Smith that took over Sati be even more powerful? (see Sati thread). I think it might've been better for Smith to absorb people, to make their code part of his own, rather than overwrite them.

4. Is Neo the One, or not? If the first movie they set the One up as someone who can "remake the matrix as he sees fit," yet we don't see Neo exhibit power on anywhere near this scale in the second 2 movies. Basically he hits people really hard.

5. Where did the light that came out of Neo's body in the real world come from?

6. Why didn't the machines use EMPs or their lasers in Zion? Why wouldn't they just drop a bomb through the hole?

7. Why didn't the Zionites have EMPs set up? So what if it shorts their other defenses; those defenses aren't very effective, and stationary equipment can be shielded from EMPs or just shut down.

8. Why didn't the Architect or Godhead just turn off the Matrix, thereby stopping Smith?

9. Why were the machines worried about Smith escaping the Matrix, when the movie goes to great pains to show that the only way out is through the Mobil Avenue station, which is easily controlled?

10. Why didn't they use the machine guns on the sentinels when they were attacking the Neb during the end of M1?

11. Why did they leave Bane, a man suspected of being an incredibly dangerous traitor, alone, unrestrained, and unguarded in a room full of scalpels?

I have more when you're done with these.

Here is the best answers for your questions:

Question 1: 101 is the number 5 in computer programming. That number is used alot in the movie... number of previous "Ones..." This is important in the movie. If you need further explanation, ask again... but i think you maybe able to make the connection knowing that 101 = 5

Question 2: Neo and Trinity are not the two most important characters in the Matrix series... It is the Oracle and the Architect... in order to understand this point better... please go to "Why Matrix Answers All Questions" in this forum. The forum will also answer why Neo and Trinity are "killed" off.

Questions 3:
a. Many answers to this question... you can determine yourself what answer is true... not really that important of a question... (Is Zion Real? If not, then Neo's powers can indeed extend beyond the Matrix to another layer of the "Matrix"... What is real?)
b. Same as above
c. Same as above
d. Same as above (Wireless Network between 2 computers?)
(2). DEM is not willing to kill all humans... There is a purpose to the war... they were not trying to kill all humans... if this was the case, they could have used more powerful machines then the sentinels to kill people... they wanted to damage Zion as least as possible with killing as many people and leaving 23 to live.
(3). Agreed
(4). Neo makes the Matrix as he sees fit... but that will happen after Matrix 3... Neo is returned to the source at the end of the movie and the Matrix is recreated... the little girl now has purpose... to create Sunrises (She created it for Neo)... just a side note... she had no purpose as a program but now she does... Neo returning the favor?
(5). Not "Real World"... "Machine World" the wording is changed from the first to the third matrix in referring to Zion on purpose... purhaps because Zion is not real (People awake from the Matrix and go to Zion, they awake from Zion to go to somewhere else, etc etc, this is a Budhism ideal... you keep reaching toward enlightenment). Remember that Morpheus asks... Is this real when the machines and humans stop fighting... my bet is he wakes again in another world...
(6). No Bomb... they don't want to kill everyone or destroy Zion completely... they want to leave 23 people
(7). Also Agreed
(. He himself is in the Matrix... Plus he knows that Smith cannot destroy the Matrix... but he can destroy Zion... this is a little more complicated of an argument... but think about the movie... Machines in Zion are afraid... not Architect in the Matrix... Architect knows what Oracle was doing when she created Smith (please see "Why Matrix Answers All Questions" in this forum)... that is why Architect says "You play a dangerous game..."
(9). No it isn't the only way... see Animatrix
(10). Good point
(11). Also Good point...


Hopefully these help... please see "Why Matrix Answers All Questions"

There is one connection in the story you have to know to understand the rest of what is going on... There are a lot of additional what ifs, but the W brothers wanted to get one plot across that everyone should have caught, and apparently not many people did

Thanks,

Shidoshi100

1. Why does zion exist? (without that MvM crap because it can be only guessed)
2. Why does Neo have powers outside the matrix and how does he use them
3. Why are machine armies so stupid, why do humans have so weak defenses...why is there no emps in Zion(gayon)...

bah thats it for now...when u answer these ill give more

John Mirra wrote:

1. Why does zion exist? (without that MvM crap because it can be only guessed) 2. Why does Neo have powers outside the matrix and how does he use them 3. Why are machine armies so stupid, why do humans have so weak defenses...why is there no emps in Zion(gayon)... bah thats it for now...when u answer these ill give more

(1) Zion exists for those that awake from the Matrix... How deep does the rabbit hole go? No one really knows for sure... but Since Morpheus asked the question... "Is this real?" He may be awakening from Zion into another world ... Remember the W brothers have lots of Zen Budhist ideals in this film... such as search for enlightenment (which never ends)

(2) Neo has powers outside the Matrix because his powers extend beyond the Matrix (Oracle states this)... If Zion is just another layer of above the matrix and is not really real... then Neo can have powers here as well...

(3) Machine armies are not stupid... they're not trying to destroy Zion... just kill everyone but 23 people... just incase Neo chooses not to get up from the fight with Smith... see previous answers I gave... Go see my post "Why Matrix Answers All Questions..." I think you'll be happier with the movie...

John Mirra,

Was wondering what about the film made you so pissy? And what about the explanation on the Oracle was stupid?

Thanks,

Shidoshi100

1 Smith failed to overwrite Neo in Reloaded'so how does he do it in
Revolutions?I am not thinking of Neo being the One.I am thinking of Neo
being a Programme who the Smith Virus was unable to overwrite.Neo
can't just turn this on and off as he wants.The Programme is the same
and unchanged since Reloaded.

2 Who is the leader of the Smiths.(Not Morrisey)
When there's a crowd of Hundreds'how is it decided which one will step
forward.Is the Original M1 Smith still around and is he the one doing all
the main fighting'taking over the Oracle and always the First to say the
Cool Smithy Lines before the rest of the Smiths Join in?

3 I still don't get why the Machines need to keep a Zion Going with 23
People? Why have a one and all these programmes around?
By allowing a Zion'the Architech creates Random anomolies and has
to create Agents to catch them.This creates a One and the Smith Virus.
If the Architech wipes out every free human'then there would be no
need for further reboots.

shidoshi100 wrote:

John Mirra wrote: 1. Why does zion exist? (without that MvM crap because it can be only guessed) 2. Why does Neo have powers outside the matrix and how does he use them 3. Why are machine armies so stupid, why do humans have so weak defenses...why is there no emps in Zion(gayon)... bah thats it for now...when u answer these ill give more (1) Zion exists for those that awake from the Matrix... How deep does the rabbit hole go? No one really knows for sure... but Since Morpheus asked the question... "Is this real?" He may be awakening from Zion into another world ... Remember the W brothers have lots of Zen Budhist ideals in this film... such as search for enlightenment (which never ends) (3) Machine armies are not stupid... they're not trying to destroy Zion... just kill everyone but 23 people... just incase Neo chooses not to get up from the fight with Smith... see previous answers I gave... Go see my post "Why Matrix Answers All Questions..." I think you'll be happier with the movie...

oh my god...are u one of the Wachowski brothers? u definetly sound like one...with every answer u give 2 questions more emerge...

1. THEY FUCKING AWAKE FROM THE MATRIX (the deviants) AND THE MACHINES KNOW IT...KILL 23 IDIOTS AND MOVE ON WTF? (why let em multiply)
2. BUT WHY DO THEY EXTEND BEYOND THE MATRIX? HOW? and how does he use them? maybe he has built in DSL in his ass? (i told u no MvM crap movie doesnt acknowledge that at all)
3. yes they are stupid they fly around like idiots and get shot by moron defenders...

bunraku wrote:

1 Smith failed to overwrite Neo in Reloaded'so how does he do it in Revolutions?I am not thinking of Neo being the One.I am thinking of Neo being a Programme who the Smith Virus was unable to overwrite.Neo can't just turn this on and off as he wants.The Programme is the same and unchanged since Reloaded. 2 Who is the leader of the Smiths.(Not Morrisey) When there's a crowd of Hundreds'how is it decided which one will step forward.Is the Original M1 Smith still around and is he the one doing all the main fighting'taking over the Oracle and always the First to say the Cool Smithy Lines before the rest of the Smiths Join in?

(1) Smith failed to overwrite Neo in Reloaded and does so in Revolution because Smith was created that way... Smith was created by the Oracle (Why he calls her mom and why she calls him bastard - meaning he has no father ). Oracle is trying to save Zion... If she doesn't create Smith, then the machines do not need Neo... with Smith multiplying... Machines need Neo and Neo can save Zion using the machine's help... Smith cannot overwrite Neo without the machines working through him... that is how Smith is written

(2) The leader of the Smith is person who is taken last... so when the Oracle gets taken over... that Smith becomes the "prime" Smith... Oracle knew Smith was coming and what he was going to do... through her eyes, Smith sees what he is suppose to see (himself beating Neo), so that he fulfills his program of multiplying and making the machines need Neo...

Hope that helps

shidoshi100 wrote:

John Mirra, Was wondering what about the film made you so pissy? And what about the explanation on the Oracle was stupid? Thanks, Shidoshi100

i want my money and 2 hours back...fucking wachowskiz! oracle "lost her shell" because the actress refused to play in that crap anymore...

The new oracle is not as good as the old one... agreed ...

Sorry i don't get that.

The Oracle has done nothing to change Neo or Smith Since Reloaded.
And going through the Machine/Matrix should'nt be any help at all.
In fact it would be the opposite effect.
Neo is jacked into the Official Network and i doubt Virus spreading is something encouraged there?

scroll up and see what i wrote and try to answer...


thanx

Are you seriously complaining about the new Oracle? The original DIED genius, before she could complete her parts in the Matrix!

True fan, indeed.

Claudio

bunraku wrote:

Sorry i don't get that. The Oracle has done nothing to change Neo or Smith Since Reloaded. And going through the Machine/Matrix should'nt be any help at all. In fact it would be the opposite effect. Neo is jacked into the Official Network and i doubt Virus spreading is something encouraged there?

In the Matrix series, you just have to remember that most things are not what it seems... Just think about how programs work ... All programs must have certain criteria(s) met for it to fulfill its purpose. Smith can only absorb with neo when the Machine in Zion is attached to him... Only when Neo (if you put the o in the front that spells One ) is attached with the Machine in machine city can Neo be absorbed by Smith (If x = 1 then cannot absorb if x = 2 then absorb).

Virus spreading is not encouraged... hence why the Architect tells the Oracle at then "You played a dangerous game"

But it was necessary to get out of the loop of Zion getting destroyed over and over again...

Does that help a little?

John Mirra wrote:

shidoshi100 wrote: John Mirra wrote: 1. Why does zion exist? (without that MvM crap because it can be only guessed) 2. Why does Neo have powers outside the matrix and how does he use them 3. Why are machine armies so stupid, why do humans have so weak defenses...why is there no emps in Zion(gayon)... bah thats it for now...when u answer these ill give more (1) Zion exists for those that awake from the Matrix... How deep does the rabbit hole go? No one really knows for sure... but Since Morpheus asked the question... "Is this real?" He may be awakening from Zion into another world ... Remember the W brothers have lots of Zen Budhist ideals in this film... such as search for enlightenment (which never ends) (3) Machine armies are not stupid... they're not trying to destroy Zion... just kill everyone but 23 people... just incase Neo chooses not to get up from the fight with Smith... see previous answers I gave... Go see my post "Why Matrix Answers All Questions..." I think you'll be happier with the movie... oh my god...are u one of the Wachowski brothers? u definetly sound like one...with every answer u give 2 questions more emerge... 1. THEY FUCKING AWAKE FROM THE MATRIX (the deviants) AND THE MACHINES KNOW IT...KILL 23 IDIOTS AND MOVE ON WTF? (why let em multiply) 2. BUT WHY DO THEY EXTEND BEYOND THE MATRIX? HOW? and how does he use them? maybe he has built in DSL in his ass? (i told u no MvM crap movie doesnt acknowledge that at all) 3. yes they are stupid they fly around like idiots and get shot by moron defenders...

Claudio is right... the original Oracle dies in Enter the Matrix... but I think what John here is saying is that the original was better and they should have kept her .

(1) Machines need Zion and those idiots... Neo and Smith are anomolies that comes about that the machines cannot see coming... and for them, keeping Zion so that the one anomoly has a motivation to destroy the other is worth letting a few people run around.
(2) Maybe MvM is too simple of an answer for you to accepts?
(3) I think this is more of an opinion then a question ...

where were the twins in M3? Surely they should have been close to Merv when Trinity, Morpheus, and Seraph showed up no? They certainly looked liked they survived in M2....anyone?....D

shidoshi100 wrote:

John Mirra wrote: shidoshi100 wrote: John Mirra wrote: 1. Why does zion exist? (without that MvM crap because it can be only guessed) 2. Why does Neo have powers outside the matrix and how does he use them 3. Why are machine armies so stupid, why do humans have so weak defenses...why is there no emps in Zion(gayon)... bah thats it for now...when u answer these ill give more (1) Zion exists for those that awake from the Matrix... How deep does the rabbit hole go? No one really knows for sure... but Since Morpheus asked the question... "Is this real?" He may be awakening from Zion into another world ... Remember the W brothers have lots of Zen Budhist ideals in this film... such as search for enlightenment (which never ends) (3) Machine armies are not stupid... they're not trying to destroy Zion... just kill everyone but 23 people... just incase Neo chooses not to get up from the fight with Smith... see previous answers I gave... Go see my post "Why Matrix Answers All Questions..." I think you'll be happier with the movie... oh my god...are u one of the Wachowski brothers? u definetly sound like one...with every answer u give 2 questions more emerge... 1. THEY FUCKING AWAKE FROM THE MATRIX (the deviants) AND THE MACHINES KNOW IT...KILL 23 IDIOTS AND MOVE ON WTF? (why let em multiply) 2. BUT WHY DO THEY EXTEND BEYOND THE MATRIX? HOW? and how does he use them? maybe he has built in DSL in his ass? (i told u no MvM crap movie doesnt acknowledge that at all) 3. yes they are stupid they fly around like idiots and get shot by moron defenders... Claudio is right... the original Oracle dies in Enter the Matrix... but I think what John here is saying is that the original was better and they should have kept her . (1) Machines need Zion and those idiots... Neo and Smith are anomolies that comes about that the machines cannot see coming... and for them, keeping Zion so that the one anomoly has a motivation to destroy the other is worth letting a few people run around. (2) Maybe MvM is too simple of an answer for you to accepts? (3) I think this is more of an opinion then a question ...

1. look they dont... smith is an anomaly? fine... (matrix 1: smith is an anomaly fine lets kill him before he realises it, bang bang over done)
(matrix 1: neo is an anomaly fine...we have him in the custody instead of planting that weird zerg thingy lets just shoot him yeah...lets go with that)

2. but omg that changes everything? yeah i cant accept that...thats pure speculation
3. thats the opinion of any objective viewer...

thank you for your patience...and dont u think that machines would go gun happy and kill everyone that could possibly have malfunctioned code why bother with planting spies and all when u know that it has a big chance of failure...


look i dont think that Ws had any idea what would they do with the plot after matrix 1...they fucked up

shidoshi100 wrote:

a. Many answers to this question... you can determine yourself what answer is true

That's a bullshit cop out, and you know it. If I wanted to make up an answer for myself, I wouldn't be paying the Wachowskis for it.

shidoshi100 wrote:

... not really that important of a question...

That depends on what you mean.

shidoshi100 wrote:

d. Same as above (Wireless Network between 2 computers?)

Wireless networks require hardware to run across.

shidoshi100 wrote:

(2). DEM is not willing to kill all humans... There is a purpose to the war... they were not trying to kill all humans...

A. You only answered part of the question.
B. Shutting down the Matrix would not kill all humans, just the ones connected, who all die anyway (if they don't it opens another plothole, because Neo is a human and he died).

shidoshi100 wrote:

they wanted to damage Zion as least as possible with killing as many people and leaving 23 to live.

What makes you say that? They leave a lot more than 23 people alive...more like 230,000.

shidoshi100 wrote:

(4). Neo makes the Matrix as he sees fit... but that will happen after Matrix 3...

There's no way you can know that. You're just making stuff up.

shidoshi100 wrote:

Neo is returned to the source at the end of the movie

...maybe, I have to see it again. That doens't pertain to the question, though.

shidoshi100 wrote:

the little girl now has purpose... to create Sunrises (She created it for Neo)

They already have a program to do sunrises & sunsets. The Oracle tells that to Neo in M2. You should play Enter the Matrix.

From Enter the Matrix (http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/enter_the_matrix_plot.txt)

Ghost : Can you tell me what happened to you?
Oracle : Two programs that I trusted sold the termination code of my original shell to the Merovingian.
Ghost : Why did they do that?
Oracle : For love. For the life of their child.
Ghost : You knew about it, and yet you let it happen?
Oracle : I had to.
Ghost : Why?
Oracle : Because the child is important. I can't tell you why, but I believe one day, the child will change both our world and your world forever.

shidoshi100 wrote:

(5). Not "Real World"... "Machine World" the wording is changed from the first to the third matrix in referring to Zion on purpose... purhaps because Zion is not real (People awake from the Matrix and go to Zion, they awake from Zion to go to somewhere else, etc etc, this is a Budhism ideal... you keep reaching toward enlightenment). Remember that Morpheus asks... Is this real when the machines and humans stop fighting... my bet is he wakes again in another world...

You're not making sense...can you reword it?

shidoshi100 wrote:

(6). No Bomb... they don't want to kill everyone or destroy Zion completely... they want to leave 23 people

You're assuming that. They don't need Zion, and even if everyone in Zion was killed, they still have everyone who's connected to the Matrix, plus all the fetuses in the Fetus Fields. They probably also have stores of semen & eggs, because they would have to use in vitro fertilization.

shidoshi100 wrote:

(. He himself is in the Matrix...

Neither the DEM nor the Architect were in the Matrix when Smith took it over.

shidoshi100 wrote:

but he can destroy Zion...Machines in Zion are afraid...

What? Do you mean 01?

shidoshi100 wrote:

(9). No it isn't the only way... see Animatrix

I have seen it. To which segment are you referring? If you are referring to "The Kid's Story," then that's wrong; you can't get out of the Matrix to the Machine World through self-substantiation.