»Are the Machines hipocrits or did the Brothers mess up?«

If anyone here has seen the Animatrix then you'll recall the THE SECOND RENAISSANCE: PART 1 and 2. These where written by the the brothers but directed and drawn by others.

What I am trying to point out is that in those, the first robot that was assumed to be sentient was tried for murder. He murdered because he did not want to be destroyed, as his owner was going to do. So he killed his owner.

Afterward man went on a killing spree and it became evident that there where many sentient robots/machines. They then created 01 so that they could live in peace and be productive for the rest of thier existence.

Why would the robots/machines then create other machines just to kill them? (what is that thing....Its a bomb) Looked like a robot to me! When did this hive mind come about and where are all the sentient robots?

We know that there where still sentient machines because of Seti's and her parents which were difinitely self aware and that they are machines in the outside world because of their job functions.

So did the Brothere forget that they had wrote the beginning like this or had the machines decided that it was alright to destroy their own. In essence doing exactly what the humans where doing by disposing of obsolete materials?

The machines tries to make peace with man at the UN, but man killed the ambassadors. With war approaching, the robots had to defend themselves so they built killing machines of their own- this was right in the same cartoons (renaissance 1 +2), so I dont understand what you think is hypocritical here.

What I am saying is hypocritical is that I understand building an army of killing machines...that is fine. And yes, I do know that the humans killed 01's ambassadors.

However, to build a killing machine that might get destroyed and building a killing machine that has no other purpose but to get destroyed is the problem.

In M2 & M3 the machines began to use "bombs". Yet, these bombs where machines that piloted themselves to the target and blow up. Sort of like a Kamakazzi fighter.

The machines went to 01 to get away from others trying to destroy them, yet now they create machines just so that they can destroy them. That is hypocritical.

1 If its the behavior ofthe robots, then the W Bros arent being hypocritical

2 The sentinels etc might be more simple machines without receptors for pain or emotion. They may also be incapable of free thought and reason and are just normal robots with as little AI as possible.

3 Then again, seeing as how the robots existence and freedom was the root of the issue, maybe some of them felt it was a cause worthy to die for. War is war- if the machines are self aware sentient beings, so what? Humans breed humans and enlist them in armed forces to die... It doesnt make parents hypocritical.

1. Every machine in the movie seems content in fulfilling their purpose. The girls parents wanted to be with their daughter but chose to stick to their purpose. A machine whose purpose is to sacrifice itself as a bomb might very well feel satisfied in doing just that. Also, for all we know the bomb prgrams could function something like agents. Though one shell is destroyed, the same program is present in many bombs and also the machine mainframe (something like that).

2. I think the real hypocrisy is where exile programs must fend for their lives from agent programs just because the system says they are obsolete. Exile programs want to live just like the robot on trial in the anime wanted to live. Programs who deliberaely hack and mess up the Matrix is one thing perhaps. But programs like the little indian girl who doesn't bother anybody should definitely be left alone.

So yes. In a way I think the W brothers messed up.

The Oracle says that programs become scheduled for deletion when they fail to work properly. I'd assume it similar to the way human life is valued, but someone who decides to act criminally against society (like murdering) may be executed to preserve the society. Similarly, a program who doesnt do his job may cause problems in the machine world that only deletion or exile can stop.

StaticAge wrote:

War is war- if the machines are self aware sentient beings, so what? Humans breed humans and enlist them in armed forces to die... It doesnt make parents hypocritical.

You better believe it does! Why, that's in the top 10 examples of hypocrasy.

StaticAge wrote:

I'd assume it similar to the way human life is valued, but someone who decides to act criminally against society (like murdering) may be executed to preserve the society.

More like it.

The OP raises some valid points. But they are side points, I admit.

I don't think the bombs have any kind of intelligence. They're basically just radar-guided missiles. However, I do agree that the Machines are hypocrites. B1-66ER's owner wanted to scrap him and replace him with a better robot. Hundreds of years and millions of deaths later programs that have become obsolete are deleted. It's an insult to all the robots who died in the Million Machine March. The Machines are still slaves. They've accomplished nothing by defeating the human race.