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Can we just get back to talking about the Matrix.

its not as simple as money. its the entire behind the scenes reality

Why are you arguing about Jews here? This forum is for The Matrix.

but whats the matrix about? (RETORICAL).

this forum is not for those who want to go as deep as the 'rabbit hole' will take them. it was designed for film critics and Matrix fans. i understand that now. sorry to have rumbled your reality.

ill leave you with 1 more thought. armageddon starts as a war in the mind then makes itself manifest in physical reality. the matrix was about the psychological aspect but the machine/zion war represents the half of the war youll have to see to take me seriously. March 2004.

PEACE.

or not.

what's that? what will happen on march 2004? if you know something, share with us will ya?

Rogue wrote:

persephone definately has the most comical lines in the whole series. the merovingian had a few "wiping your ass with silk" "eyeyeyey, women, zey meess nothing" "damnit, woman, you will be the end of me!". but then again who can resist the comedy of a fueding couple? "you can either stand there and die or go get my husband and tell him what i've done" "...he's in the ladies room"-just after they all left the men's room and your sig: "she wasn't kissing your face, my love"

Not a feuding couple but fueding blood lines a la the Merv. is a claimed blood line of Jesus (proven by most current scholars as false and concealed in large part by the Catholic Church). In fact a number of blood lines have been claimed to be that of Jesus but hidden by autocratic instit....you can guess which ones.

555 wrote:

take the blue pill? or open your eyes with the red pill all im offering is the truth...

Yeah the truth you find on google.com what the hell is the point of that?

Lysander wrote:

foochuck wrote: 1 - At the end of Revolutions when they show Neo's body in the outline - I believe that is Neo looking at his body...think of it...every other time they show that view it's from Neo's perspective I can think of at least 2 different shots where they show the gold light, and it's not from Neo's perspective, because he's in the shot. Furthermore, if Neo's consciousness was outside his body, why would the body be glowing like that? Neo is dead.

Neo is not dead....did Jesus really die or was he re-surrected? Why do you think they call him the One if he is designed specifically to deal with the other One (Smith)? Come on use your brains guys....what is the average education level of the people on here?

standalone wrote:

Deus Ex Machina: Neo is dead Neo: Deus Ex Machina is dead. Neo is dead, gone, his heart not beating any more. However, he returned to the source which he TOUCHED it sometime somewhere. Also recall the Architect asked him to go TO THE SOURCE (right door). Eventually, he disseminated to the source. This may be a coincedence, but if it's not, despite Oracle's thoughts the Architect can see beyond of the choices. I mean, I think he already KNEW that he would go to the SOURCE either he CHOOSED the left door or the right door. But, choosing the right door in the first place (source door) would not be sufficient thus the architect mentioned about Trinity. He said she sacrificed her life to save yours, thus mentally forced Neo to choose the left door (zion and trin). This means, the Architect can see beyond of the choices because he UNDERSTANDS. Recall the last scene, when the Architect says to the Oracle something like she played a dangerous game. He sounded like he KNEW and UNDERSTOOD what was going on. So, if I assume the Architect can see beyond of the choices, then Neo should be dead (phsyically). Though he will be back soon.

You completely mis-read or rather watched the final scene. The Oracle and Arch. decide to agree to dis-agree and both reset the matrix and let Neo go about his business once again. Credence can be given to this when the Arch. says "I will let them out, again." So basically we started all over again so as the MwM exists the Kid is the new Neo....notice that he started to say the same exact lines Neo mentioned in M1. Again don't waste my time if you have some retarded explain. for something that can be explained away in .5 seconds.

555 wrote:

bentcursor wrote: And the Jews must have taken your dictionary as part of their quest for world-domination, because you sure as hell can't spell! : Look, my grammar has absolutely nothing to do with the topic so stop picking. dont take the piss because you dont agree with me. take the time to research and then when you have decided wetha or not im chattin shit (based on FACT as a pose to wot ur belief system allows) then we can reason on a logical level. infact, for your benefit type the following keywords in to google, im sure youll get some interesting reading. you live in a world you obviously know nothing about. i however spend most of my time digging deeper. most arent ready to be unplgged. you included. youd be surprised how little time there is left. then again, for all i know you probably either know more than you make out or you have something to do with an idiot named mirra. ps. i have absolute respect for jews that are actually jews. they are seriously wise people but dont argue with me without knowledge of the subject. thats stupid and childish. KEYWORDS: Jews (Rothschild) Merovingian race + Jesus Mind Control (Bio chips) Fallen angels synagogue of satan that should be enough to either shut you up or have MI5 on my back. take as much of the information as you can handle or throw it all away in disbelief. makes no difference to me and i have nothing to hide and no reason to lie. you, however, make me suspicious.

If you really think your logic will hold up under my scrutiny then by all means bring it on and do not come with the half-ass tomfool responses that I have seen thus far. Againi don't waste my time if you know you are that stupid....

555 wrote:

im black and im a vegitarian. i have no problem with jews. i am stating actual facts. its not my opinion. those who study will know what im talking about. black people have Generally become like savages. there are good black people like there are good jews but the media has latched on to their 'Gun culture' and 'booty shakin' and a lot of black people have mindlessly latched on to it partly as a result of media glamorizin. black people have been destroyed. slavery (physically and otherwise) is partly to blame but fact is fact. its not racism. if a white person was to say the same thing and make clear his (neutral) postion then it would still be fact and not racism and i would not be offended. Certain jews (THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO RESEARCH TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE OF) are selfish and do control this world. certain jews are aware of this fact and know the dangers of speaking out but feel obliged to tell the truth about it (even if they do code it). you have a right to disagree, im not forcing you to accept it. its just that i also feel obliged to share what little knowledge i have aquired. is that so unfair? im confused

You might be the dumbest person I have ever seen post on a message board and for that I salute you...the world's biggest dumba$$.

555 wrote:

infact shut up. make a note of the keywords i have given, get some info from the site(s) of your choice then show me where i have got the wrong end of the stick and make a point of it. i dont want to make inaccurate statements about anyone. i want people to make my mistakes apparent to me so i can better myself. i share my knowledge with you so you can maybe shed light on a few suspicious things you may notice from time to time and maybe even enlighten me! im a peaceful person. i know why my words offend you but unfortuantely you do not, which is ironically the 'in the box' thinking that im trying to FREE YOUR MIND from. you hear "Jews" and you shout RACIST, RACIST without taking the context in to account. i sincerely hope you realise my words before its too late but the matrix is very real. ok, we are not trapped inside computers (i dont think ) but EVERYTHING in those films are symbolic for multiple aspects of our 'reality'. take it or leave it

I have yet to hear you make one solid argument about anything...please before you flap your pu$$y lips again think before you put ONE finger on that greasy jizz ridden keyboard...

another virtual gangster. save it. im not interseted in beefin with you. Bitches like you only feel comfortable running your lips (or finger tips) anonymously and in the safety of you home. i was originally discussin a constructive topic but have come to realise im wasting my time in this room. ur all about the surface level special effects. stay on the surface you dont wanna see how deep the rabbit hole goes. your not ready to be unplugged from this system so continue trying to fight to protect it. the film is about you. prick.

555 wrote:

another virtual gangster. save it. im not interseted in beefin with you. Bitches like you only feel comfortable running your lips (or finger tips) anonymously and in the safety of you home. i was originally discussin a constructive topic but have come to realise im wasting my time in this room. ur all about the surface level special effects. stay on the surface you dont wanna see how deep the rabbit hole goes. your not ready to be unplugged from this system so continue trying to fight to protect it. the film is about you. prick.

Please you are soo stupid you do not even realize that the critique I am making of your observations are that they are flacid and without any ability to go beyond the surface. You might as well read your analysis of the matrix in the next issue of Newsweek because that is the level of intellect that you currently maintain. I am not virtual gangster (another poor and gross generalization based upon faulty information), nor am I comfortable running my lips but I do however call BS on analysis which could be rendered from a fifth grader which I might add would have a higher ability to spell than you apparently have at the current time.

The problem with people like you is that you actually think you have the mental capacity to fathom what is really going on in this movie. Maybe if you had an undergraduate degree in English & Phil. (from a decent college) you might be able to render an argument which exceeds that of an eight year old...until then you can keep your incoherent ramblings to yourself. The irony about stupid people like you is that you buy the sh%t that is put right in front of you without even a second guess. I might as continue plucky your strings because I baited you into spouting off at the mouth just like you did. You are a byproduct of your envirnoment so deal with. I OWN YOU LOCK, STOCK, AND TWO SMOKING BARRELS.

hmm. u seem a bit confused. own me? did you bother to check up those keywords? thought not. you really shouldnt get so emotional. you seem like your trying to 'out offend' me. im not offended or emotional but i am interested to see what you know.

i made a point that the matrix movie is deeper than most people appreciate and that the world as it appears is a lot more influnced/controled than you may think. you made a point bout me takin the first bit of information i come in to contact with but i think the mere fact that i suggest a deeper aspect of the matrix is in it self is contradictory to your asumption. think before you get all emotional. am i wrong or do i just piss you off?

i make my points based on research from countless sources written both before and since the matrix movies were screened (not that they make direct references to the movies) but all of these independant sources appear to agree on the same views. im not trying to tar all jews with the same brush or even most of them but i have spent a lot of time researching that which i would consider the basis of my original post.

you however, dont appear to have a basis for your argument (or lack there of). if i was to state facts you would only find some other reason to continue taking up space on my screen so i gave you keywords to go anywhere you like and do your own research. but no. you just want beef based on your false pride. your ego. your ignorance. that is the main thing blocking your learning process.

if you dont mind my asking, have you got some qualification thats making you think your more than you are? what is it that makes you so sure im wrong? if you can control that surge of emotion that my posts appear to trigger within you, we can talk about this. you might learn something that will change your world. who knows, you might teach me something but these childish arguments are not teaching me anything i dont already know.

do you know why you get that weird sensation in your belly when your overcome with anger? do you know why that anger causes you to do what it takes to 'get even' or release that feeling? do you know why emotion blocks you from making the logical decisions you know you should be making? you are aware of the fact that everything in natrue has its opposite and the basics of how viruses work. this is in effect the basis for what i am trying to tell you and what the wachowskis are trying to say. i dont know every aspect of the film but i know enough to make you take time and really consider my words. if you really are interested then i will show you a thing or 2 but you have to drop the attitude.

dont say your interested unless you are prepared to open your mind and accept the possibility that the world around us is based on lies and control. if i say somethin that doesnt make sense then by all means point it out (i wouldnt like to be responsible for leading anyone in to confusion). im not just someone with nothing better to do than get in to beef with someone there no chance of meeting. if you want to know - im willing to show.

ps. judging by your confidence in what you say im assuming you have a good foundation of knowledge on the subject. am i right? are you prepared to share?

zoey wrote:

Yeah the truth you find on google.com what the hell is the point of that?

i suggested you went to google because it would be most time efficient in proving my point. now you mention it, that shows the level your at. whats wrong with google? obviously you gotta be carefull that you can back up your info from numerous sources but i was always taught that truth is truth regardless of the source.

This is good stuff. I love to see people get passionate about something. So tired of the lame, back-patting discussions that say little. I don't know about all of this Jew stuff, though, honestly. I've looked into some of the stuff that you're saying about the world and control but think, if a plot like that existed, what could really be done about it? I think that people too often focus their energy on things that are either meaningless or as in this case, if meaningful, there is nothing constructive that they can do about it. And perhaps someone can feed you a red pill intravenuously through your tube, 555, because with all of this "race" talk, you're clearly still plugged into the social mind control machine. There is no such thing as race. That is the biggest dupe going on in America currently. See if you can overcome this "race myth" illusion and then talk to the board about world domination plans.

ATLien

Lysander wrote:

555 wrote: if that the case then your throwing the whole 'Train man' scene in to question. i recall Neo saying that he had seperated his mind from his body which would make it possible. Those are totally different situations.

Further more, he couldn't "See himself from outside his body" when he was stuck in Limbo. Unless he had a mirror, or something.

OriginalATLien wrote:

This is good stuff. I love to see people get passionate about something. So tired of the lame, back-patting discussions that say little. I don't know about all of this Jew stuff, though, honestly. I've looked into some of the stuff that you're saying about the world and control but think, if a plot like that existed, what could really be done about it? I think that people too often focus their energy on things that are either meaningless or as in this case, if meaningful, there is nothing constructive that they can do about it. And perhaps someone can feed you a red pill intravenuously through your tube, 555, because with all of this "race" talk, you're clearly still plugged into the social mind control machine. There is no such thing as race. That is the biggest dupe going on in America currently. See if you can overcome this "race myth" illusion and then talk to the board about world domination plans. ATLien

thanks for your view but i think your a bit confused about me. at what point did i say i had (or did my words suggest i had) the slightest problem with any race of people on this planet without quoting FACT?

I CHALLENGE ANY ONE TO KEEP THEIR OPINION TO THEMSELVES AND CONTRADICT MY WORDS BASED ON PURE RESEARCHED FACTS. MAKE SURE YOU CAN BACK IT UP. dont even get involved and waist my time unless you your comming with more than your [programmed] opinion.

im not interested in your opinions. just facts please. im not saying i know everything. im saying i want to learn more but your opinion is life from YOUR perspective. no disrespect but im having a difficult enough time understanding and deprogramming my own perspective to care about yours. besides, your opinion is constructed by every thing you have seen, heard, thought and have had suggested to you (covertly and overtly) which is infact a form of programming (which is what im trying to get away from) so i welcome your views only if they are backed by either cold logic or actual facts.

i hope i havent offended anyone but im sick of people that only THINK they know. you only really begin to learn when you realise that the opinion you have been spoon fed since birth is a big lie.

your 6th sense is the only true reality. the other 5 lie to keep you oblivious.

Deus Ex Smith wrote:

Lysander wrote: 555 wrote: if that the case then your throwing the whole 'Train man' scene in to question. i recall Neo saying that he had seperated his mind from his body which would make it possible. Those are totally different situations. Further more, he couldn't "See himself from outside his body" when he was stuck in Limbo. Unless he had a mirror, or something.

no offence but that subject kinda died ages ago. i cant even remember the descussion and if i could be bothered to scroll back you would probably be right in wat you said but i dont feel like talking about the film any more. i feel like talking about what the film was trying to tell us. i feel like talking about what the film was talking about.

i am aware that this forum is for fans of the film (i am a fan) and im sure that what you said has its real life reflection if we but knew, but dont you think this common theme among film makers is getting even a tiny bit suspect? they have been making films about it for decades which both works for and against them but very few people actually clock on.

most of us think 'its just a good film'. we have no concept of prophesy or how close to its fulfilment we really are. armageddon is just a word now. we are too busy going to work in 'the system' and get paid just enough to buy chemically modified food from 'the system' to feed our family and a buy a few extras to keep up with our fellow brainwashed peers in 'the system'. we are so busy working to keep this system running to realise that it even exists and when someone raises their head to point out the treadmill reality, you fight against them to protect 'the system'. we have been born in to this world so we just get on with what we see others do so we can 'fit in' but like it or not you have been programed on what to accept/reject from birth. the average human mind is just a series of programmes using 5% of the brain if its lucky (mine included) but while we accept/reject information based on how we feel about it (emotion) instead of logic and fact, we are nothing more than sentient programs sub consciously dictating how to think and feel about everything. we are nothing more than sentinels standing guard at the gates of our own (and everyone elses) psycholgical freedom, using their fear of being dfferent against them. im dun preachin now. sorry to go on. feel free to poke fun but do it based on fact. thankyou for your time.

[quote="555"]i hope i havent offended anyone but im sick of people that only THINK they know.[quote]

And just what makes you any different to the above statement?

[/quote="Mambo"][quote="555"]i hope i havent offended anyone but im sick of people that only THINK they know.

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And just what makes you any different to the above statement?

research. other than that, nothing.

555,

You're hilarious! I actually posted a message earlier today basically tearing you down. I'd like to do so again, but not so hard - there's a positive spin to it.

You obviously have SOME kind of opinion on SOMETHING. You haven't expressed exactly what that is yet, except for the fact that you think everyone in the world is under control. I, for one, partially agree.

I applaud you for trying to identify the biases that exist in our society, and, by identifying them, negating them. I think this is very important for everyone to do - we all have biases, whether or not they are imposed from an external source (any form of media, mass communication). Not acknowledging these biases devalues and discredits anything we have to say.

Now, having said that, I would like to make it clear that you are not some kind of superhuman who is above everyone else on this bored. Shut up about your "you don't want to know how deep the rabbit-hole goes" crap. I understand your point, but when you explain it using the words of the very type of control you denounce (movies, television, etc.), you become no better than an ignorant child, and your arguments (which you STILL need to define) become trivial. I write this assuming that you don't think we're actually plugged into a giant mind-control machine. If I'm wrong about that, plainly state it, for Christ's sake, so I can call you an idiot.

Anyway, think about it. I think somewhere in your paranoid egotistical rambling there is a good point. If you're going to share it, share it. If you want to hear other peoples' opinions or gathered research, you might as well specify the topic before trashing them.

Matty

the difference between me and you is that i am aware to some degree that we are being controled and make efforts to make decisions based on personal preference instead of manipulation. your some twat that has nothing better to do but try to make people look silly so you look more respect worthy. sad really when you really look at whats going on. did u used to get bullied at school or something? why take it out on me?

are you an adult? does mummy know your online? has she set the blocks? why dont you name your own forum and have your own descussions? you dont actualy come here to conversate do you? sad bastard. piss me off again and i promise to wipe as much of your HD as i can gain access. (and i WILL gain access) call my bluff.

ps. check the reply to your last stupid post in 'RABBIT HOLE' forum. that should be enough to shut you up. if not, prepare to fdisk and format. i dont want to speak to you again unless you develope some manners.

Do you guys have some spare time in between your squabbling, and can explain how the sentinel could go through Neo's body?
That's the only question I have left after seeing the Matrix.